Once the Wrestling Thread Goes Bryan, There's No Point in Tryin! - - Part 64

[TX85]

I bet Angle will get jealous and rant on twitter about WWE wanting more of him..IF it happens!

 

[Dr. Evil]

possibly not if some sort of funding is factored in....

I still don't think anybody outside the wrestling world takes the WWE seriously. Hollywood doesn't. The USOC has real sports, while the WWE is scripted. A deal could help Linda McMahon's Senate campaign though as I would think supporting (and maybe even funding) the US Olympic Movement would be seen as a huge positive.

However, I am skeptical that the WWE and the USOC will come up with a deal. And the only sports that the WWE could take athletes from would be wrestling, taekwondo, judo, weightlifting and boxing. They won't take soccer, swimming, gymnastics or Track and Field (except maybe discus and shot put guys). Besides, female track and field athletes are not what the WWE looks for in their divas (blond, white and huge racks).

 

[bullets]

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/Tuxedo_Match_Added_to_WWE_s_No_Way_Out_Pay-Per-View.html

Just because...

I forgot the ppv was this Sunday. I guess the lockdown concept went out the window.





Here's a Bret Hart interview. Bret's answered these questions before but at least now he acknowledges Flair as a good worker. Flair seemed to be having personal issues at the time. [YT]7T1zNhhbcGU&feature=player_embedded#![/YT]

 

[Pink Ranger]

I still don't think anybody outside the wrestling world takes the WWE seriously. Hollywood doesn't. The USOC has real sports, while the WWE is scripted. A deal could help Linda McMahon's Senate campaign though as I would think supporting (and maybe even funding) the US Olympic Movement would be seen as a huge positive.

However, I am skeptical that the WWE and the USOC will come up with a deal. And the only sports that the WWE could take athletes from would be wrestling, taekwondo, judo, weightlifting and boxing. They won't take soccer, swimming, gymnastics or Track and Field (except maybe discus and shot put guys). Besides, female track and field athletes are not what the WWE looks for in their divas (blond, white and huge racks).

I can see female gymnasts being a potential fit for the divas division (some of the best divas were tiny, tiny women). The huge racks can be purchased later.

 

[TX85]

I could see Vince&WWE being into a very flexible gymnastics new Diva,A gymnastic light-weight dude or two could do great..IF they bring back the light-weight division or at least the cruiserweight division!!

 

[Dr. Evil]

I can see female gymnasts being a potential fit for the divas division (some of the best divas were tiny, tiny women). The huge racks can be purchased later.

I could see it if they wanted to add some athletic Divas. AJ looks like she's built like a gymnast. I don't know who else among Olympic athletes who could be potential fits though outside the sports I have mentioned and gymnastics. I follow track and field, and while there are some fairly attractive women in that sport (especially on the American side), I don't know if they can fit that WWE Diva mold.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I could see it if they wanted to add some athletic Divas. AJ looks like she's built like a gymnast. I don't know who else among Olympic athletes who could be potential fits though outside the sports I have mentioned. I follow track and field, and while there are some fairly attractive women in that sport (especially on the American side), I don't know if they can fit that WWE Diva mold.

To be perfectly honest though, how many Divas in the current roster fit that stereotypical "Diva Mold" even now? Basically Kelly Kelly, and that's it, and I hardly see her on TV anyways. Beth, Nattie and Kaitlyn are blonde but are built like powerlifters, Aksana is a little Reubenesque, one could say, and is herself built more like a weightlifter than like Pamela Anderson. AJ is a skinny gymnastics chick, and Layla is kind of a traditional pinup diva, but is also noticeably ethnic and is a fairly good worker.

 

[bullets]

Which makes me wonder... will Kharma ever return?

 

[Dr. Evil]

To be perfectly honest though, how many Divas in the current roster fit that stereotypical "Diva Mold" even now? Basically Kelly Kelly, and that's it, and I hardly see her on TV anyways. Beth, Nattie and Kaitlyn are blonde but are built like powerlifters, Aksana is a little Reubenesque, one could say, and is herself built more like a weightlifter than like Pamela Anderson. AJ is a skinny gymnastics chick, and Layla is kind of a traditional pinup diva, but is also noticeably ethnic and is a fairly good worker.

Well, if the WWE wanted more black women, they could go to the track and field ranks and see if there are some potential divas there.

The WWE already has more black women on their roster than all of Mixed Martial Arts combined. A few more couldn't hurt.

 

[Metallo]

The way Cena is booked sometimes I think this is actually possible:

How is the universe not exploding after this pic? Irresistable force and immovable object indeed.

Here's a Bret Hart interview. Bret's answered these questions before but at least now he acknowledges Flair as a good worker. Flair seemed to be having personal issues at the time. [YT]7T1zNhhbcGU&feature=player_embedded#![/YT]

Thats a pretty good interview. Harts always criticized Flair but I've never seen him talk this in depth about that period.

Which makes me wonder... will Kharma ever return?

Which makes ME wonder..why the hell didn't they bring Kharma back briefly to destroy the Bellas on their way out of the company after they lost to Layla? I can understand not wanting to take away from Laylas face return heat but Kharma could have done it a day later or they could have taped something for the next week.

I guess Kharma could spin it that they walked away because they were afraid she would crush them into barbie powder but seeing Kharma keep her word to smash them if they were still around would have gotten quite the buzz to tide fans over while she was still on leave.

To be perfectly honest though, how many Divas in the current roster fit that stereotypical "Diva Mold" even now? Basically Kelly Kelly, and that's it, and I hardly see her on TV anyways. Beth, Nattie and Kaitlyn are blonde but are built like powerlifters, Aksana is a little Reubenesque, one could say, and is herself built more like a weightlifter than like Pamela Anderson. AJ is a skinny gymnastics chick, and Layla is kind of a traditional pinup diva, but is also noticeably ethnic and is a fairly good worker.

Theres also Maxine. And don't forget Alicia Fox...or do. I wouldn't blame you. The problem is none of them are being given the time or the forum to really do much in the ring. The only one in a really interesting storyline right now is AJ. With fewer divas to worry about you'd think WWE would find it easier to to at least feature some of them more.

Hopefully thats something HHH changes. It was under Ace's tenure as head of talent relations that we got all the models.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Which makes me wonder... will Kharma ever return?

Yes....

 

[TX85]

Very cool that she's training&getting in shape!

 

[Slushy]

And it looks like John Cena will once again be main eventing another PPV. I used to like Cena, but now he's becoming exactly like Hulk Hogan when it comes to being a spolight hogging assh*le. He never played second fiddle on consecutive PPVs when he was the WWE Champion. This is ridiculous!

Which makes ME wonder..why the hell didn't they bring Kharma back briefly to destroy the Bellas on their way out of the company after they lost to Layla?

Vince tends to swerve the Internet once a major spoiler gets leaked

(like with Wrestlemania when he ruined what could've been a great show by switching the main events around as it was supposed to be Orton Vs. Cena and Edge Vs. Triple H)

so unfortunately, the dirt sheets killed her push.

 

[Metallo]

Or more likely Vince McMahon and creative totally forgot about what Kharma said to the Bellas. Or they didn't want to squash the Bellas like that at all on their way out and it had nothing to do with Kharma rather they just wanted keep the door open for them by letting them leave on less embarrassing terms and instead fumbled the ball entirely.

They knew the Bellas might be leaving for a while but instead of building them up better to give someone the rub they gave them a quick title run as transitional champ so they could hotshot the title to Layla in a more meaningless fashion. It would have been better if they had built the Bellas up well (even for a short period) and made Layla look as good as possible by beating them.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Maybe Kharma wasn't able to crush the Bella Twins because she wasn't mentally ready to come back? Remember, she had just lost a child and that can cause someone to go into "mental shock" if you will. Losing a child, especially right after birth is one of the worst things imaginable and she probably needed time to cope and she is just now both mentally and physically ready to get back into shape.

I think Layla returning and winning the divas championship was "Plan B" because I think they thought that Kharma would be ready (both mentally and physically) to return. Yes, she appeared at the Royal Rumble, but that was when we all thought she had just given birth to a healthy baby boy. We later found out the tragic news.

Physically, she may have been ready, but I doubt she was ready mentally to return to squash the Bellas. I don't blame the WWE entirely for this. Plus, why risk rushing her back into things if she's not mentally ready to come back?

 

[The Sage]

This wont get you the next HBK and Steve Austin, it'll get you guys like Brock and Goldberg who have no passion for the business.

I was thinking that myself. Its a real crapshoot. You can't always take top athletes and entice them with money and hope to teach them how to be a wrestler. The best thing is the best of both worlds. Go after good athletes and people who want to be wrestlers or good athletes who want to be wrestlers. More guys like Dolph Ziggler.

Agreed. I'm surprised Triple H is going in this direction considering that's not how he broke into the business.

If they do it this way, they'll create stars but not long-term ones. As mentioned, like Brock and Goldberg.

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

Just saw a story on the local NBC news about Billy Corgan's wrestling promotion. Saw Rhyno and Vader in the clips. Says he's trying to get a behind the scenes reality show.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Also, I applaud the WWE for allowing Kharma all the time she needs to mourn her loss. There was no sense in rushing her back just to squash the Bellas if she wasn't mentally ready to return.

 

[Metallo]

Maybe Kharma wasn't able to crush the Bella Twins because she wasn't mentally ready to come back? Remember, she had just lost a child and that can cause someone to go into "mental shock" if you will. Losing a child, especially right after birth is one of the worst things imaginable and she probably needed time to cope and she is just now both mentally and physically ready to get back into shape.

I think Layla returning and winning the divas championship was "Plan B" because I think they thought that Kharma would be ready (both mentally and physically) to return. Yes, she appeared at the Royal Rumble, but that was when we all thought she had just given birth to a healthy baby boy. We later found out the tragic news.

Physically, she may have been ready, but I doubt she was ready mentally to return to squash the Bellas. I don't blame the WWE entirely for this. Plus, why risk rushing her back into things if she's not mentally ready to come back?

Dude, like you said she came back for the Rumble and when the Bellas left Kharma had been saying herself online that she WANTED to come back around that period. This was AFTER we found out she had miscarried. She's been wanting to come back for a while even in a short term capacity. The reports have stated that creative just hasn't had anything for her and thats why she already hasn't come back even for a one shot deal before her full time return.

This is the same company that couldn't keep the story straight on the Big Show firing and rehiring by Laurinaitis. And even if Kharma came back now the divas roster is even thinner than when she left. Not as much fodder for her to goo through before getting into a big program. Its just been poor planning all around. They don't seem to have any direction for Beth right now even though thats the big money match and they should have her on some kind for trajectory to that long term future confrontation.

Its also the same company that offered Kelly Kelly a bigger contract after considering outside ventures when they fired Maria for doing that very same thing. Its because she was more marketable in their eyes. The divas division just isn't handled consistently.

Another problem with your theory is that even if Layla was "plan B" they still booked the Bellas so poorly and threw the title on them so quickly that they couldn't give much of a rub to ANYONE on the way out.

Also, I applaud the WWE for allowing Kharma all the time she needs to mourn her loss. There was no sense in rushing her back just to squash the Bellas if she wasn't mentally ready to return.

Do you have PROOF that was the reason because Kharma herself has said she's been ready to come back for a while

 

[Dr. Evil]

Dude, like you said she came back for the Rumble and when the Bellas left Kharma had been saying herself online that she WANTED to come back around that period. This was AFTER we found out she had miscarried. She's been wanting to come back for a while even in a short term capacity. The reports have stated that creative just hasn't had anything for her and thats why she already hasn't come back even for a one shot deal before her full time return.

This is the same company that couldn't keep the story straight on the Big Show firing and rehiring by Laurinaitis. And even if Kharma came back now the divas roster is even thinner than when she left. Not as much fodder for her to goo through before getting into a big program. Its just been poor planning all around. They don't seem to hav eany direction for Beth right now even though thats the big money match and they should have her on some kind for trajectory to that long term future confrontation.

Its also the same company that offered Kelly Kelly a bigger contract after considering outside ventures when they fired Maria for doing that very same thing. Its because she was more marketable in their eyes. The divas division just isn't handled consistently.

I don't recall those reports that she wanted to come back after the miscarriage. If she did, then it's another example of Vince possibly having early signs of Dementia, except that nobody wants to tell him that he has it.

 

[Metallo]

I don't recall those reports that she wanted to come back after the miscarriage. If she did, then it's another example of Vince possibly having early signs of Dementia, except that nobody wants to tell him that he has it.

She's teased on twitter herself that she wanted to be there or might be there. Creative probably just fumbled the ball on this one. They haven't even begun building a diva FOR Kharma to face when she comes back. They'll probably wait until the last minute to start a build like they always do.

 

[The Sage]

Former WWE Writer Chris DeJoeseph recently was on PWTorch Livecast. Here are a few highlights.

DeJoseph on what it's like behind the scenes when Vince McMahon decides to appear on TV after an absence: "I think there were numerous times where that could be brought up in totally different ways," DeJoseph, also known on air as Big Dick Johnson, says. "Sometimes it could be a request from the writing team. For the most part Vince didn't like to be on TV if he didn't have to be. I'm just using my own judgment here; I think this might have something to do with - usually it's like the McMahon Million Dollar Mania, or now the three hour Raws - I'm wondering if it's some kind of play to make some kind crazy announcement to get ratings."

Did the writing team usually collaborate with him or did he just say "this is what I'm doing"? "There were lots of time where it was, 'We have this idea, we'd like to do it.' And he would be, like, 'Okay, that's great.' There were other times, for instance the Million Dollar thing, where he came to us with the idea and [that meant] we were doing it. (laughs)"

Does Vince care about storyline consistency?: "It would always be brought up. Logic would always be brought up, but sometimes it'd just be thrown right out the window. He'd sometimes say he couldn't even remember what happened three weeks ago, so how is the audience going to remember it? I think sometimes that was his thought…"

DeJoseph says the blame should be on Vince himself, and not the writing team, for the big gaps in logic, dropped storylines, and stream of aggravating contradictions. "I'm sure they're going to try or at least they've been pitching all week or they're going to try to explain something. I'm sure they have something in mind to explain it logically. If they don't that'll be interesting, too... It's a big promotional thing that's going to get eyeballs on this TV show and I think that's what he thinks [matters]."

Does it chip away at fans investing in the product? "Yeah, it sucks. [Fans have to be thinking,] 'Why should I invest my time and everything into this storyline when they're just going to sh-- on it without explanation.' I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe they will on Monday. I don't know what they're going to do on Monday."

DeJoseph says the writing team cares even when Vince doesn't: "At least when I was there, and I'm sure it's still the same way, we would try to present every logical thing. We'd say we need to explain that, and whether it was ignored or we were told 'No, we f---in' don't,' that's the way it was... If not for Vince, the writers such as Michael Hayes, Ed Koskie, and Brian Gewirtz would try to make sense of their ideas, but with Vince "you're constantly dealing with switching and changing things.

"Sometimes it's even hard for yourself to keep up on everything. I think they would try for sure. I'm sure when they knew that Vince was coming back, it was probably one of the first things that came up - how in the hell are we going to explain why he's back. And then it was probably, like, 'Don't f---in' worry about it.' And they go, 'Okay.' I think the writing team wants what most fans want because, for the most part, they're all fans."

Another major Vince McMahon storyline was abandoned five years ago this month, when he appeared to die inside of his limousine when it exploded. Chris DeJoseph was part of the team who wrote that storyline. He reveals who came up the storyline, why it was created, and where it was headed before the Chris Benoit Family Tragedy caused the limo storyline to be immediately abandoned.

- Kenn Doane (a/k/a Kenny Dykstra) was asked on Twitter whether John Cena was good or bad to him during his time in WWE (which lasted from 2006 to 2008). Recalling a negative backstage encounter with Cena, he replied, "We were cool until last time I was there he hated me. Didn't even want to talk or shake hands. Everyone else was cool though."

The encounter would have occurred on November 15, 2011 when he faced Justin Gabriel in a dark match before a SmackDown taping in Bridgeport, Connecticut. Doane has not attended a WWE show since.

- Counting down to nine days remaining on his thirty-day WWE suspension due to denigrating the Brazilian flag at a WWE live event in São Paulo on June 14, Chris Jericho tweeted Thursday, "Number 9. Number 9. Number 9. Number 9. Number 9. Number 9. Number 9. Number 9. Number 9....."

- WWE Hall of Famer Sgt Slaughter appears at next Thursday's Newark Bears game at Bears & Eagles Riverfront Stadium in Newark, New Jersey. He will meet and greet with fans, sign autographs and take pictures before and after the 6:35 p.m. game. Click here for more information.

Some people felt Vince McMahon went over the line with his blistering impersonation of Jim Ross in a backstage segment on Monday's Raw SuperShow, which saw the WWE Chairman make a horribly distorted face ridiculing the Hall of Fame broadcaster's affliction with Bell's palsy. Ross suffers from the condition, which sometimes results in temporary paralysis of his facial muscles.

McMahon's mockery segment struck a nerve with former WCW announcer Mark Madden, who went on Twitter to blast the WWE chief.

"McMahon mocking Ross' Bell's Palsy was unforgivable. What a scumbag, pure and simple. Just a twisted, emotionally crippled *******," he wrote.

Madden continues, "McMahon wasn't mocking a stranger. Ross is one of WWE's most valued employees ever. Ross' big sin: He knows more about wrestling than Vince."

Madden was asked whether Ross was notified of the impersonation beforehand. He replied, "Was not "in on the bit." I can assure you of that."

Former WWE creative writer Seth Mates pointed out the hypocrisy in McMahon mocking Ross' medical condition while simultaneously promoting the 'be a STAR' anti-bullying campaign.

"WWE touts anti-bullying, yet babyface Vince mocks @JRsBBQ's medical condition?" he wrote on Twitter. "It's one thing for heels to be bullies and then get what they have coming. It's another for faces to make bullying look cool and fun."

A follower responded, "the BAS/WWE hypocrisy complaints are old and stale." Mates wrote, "How does hypocrisy get old & stale? Hypocrisy is hypocrisy."

Another on-air remark mocking Ross' medical condition took place months earlier on the December 9, 2011 episode of SmackDown. After commentator Josh Mathews made a remark about Michael Cole "speaking out of both sides" of his mouth, Cole quipped, "Actually, there is nothing wrong with my mouth, unlike J.R.'s." Ross was not pleased with the comment. He wrote on Twitter, "We can blame a 'writer.' That's cowardly. Poor attempt to be a villain."

- Tamiko Fatu, the younger son of former WWE star Rikishi, has been training with his father at his wrestling school in California. Tamiko is either 18 or 19 years old and looks just like his father in the face.

- F4Wonline.com reports that Randy Orton tested positive for elevated levels of testosterone, causing him to fail a WWE Wellness test and be suspended for 60 days. Orton was telling people that he took a tainted supplement that contained the testosterone, causing him to fail. Orton reportedly said he didn't do it on purpose but acknowledged that he should have been more careful.

SuperLuchas.net earlier reported that Orton tested positive for Dianabol, an orally-effective anabolic steroid that was commonly used by bodybuilders until Congress banned it under the Controlled Substances Act. Those reports were unconfirmed.

- We noted before that Paul Levesque (Triple H) is now listed as the Executive Vice President of Talent Relations on WWE's corporate website, instead of John Laurinaitis. This is a change making official what has been the case for a while. Laurinaitis has worked under Triple H and Triple H has hired new people like Canyon Cemen and Jane Geddes. Geddes is Vice President of Talent Relations and is doing a lot of the work Laurinaitis was doing. Cemen is running Talent Development and is reporting to Triple H.

Laurinaitis has had many of his duties reduced as of late and the expectation is that his job will be changed in some form down the line as Triple H puts his own hires in key positions. Laurinaitis is still booking WWE live events but the writers are more involved in that as there is a movement within the company to make the live events more like the TV shows. Laurinaitis is also doing the talent payroll but has been spending more time on the road as a talent.

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

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[Dr. Evil]

If Mark Madden, Chris Christie, JaMarcus Russell and Mark Mangino were all in an eating contest together, they would force every major fast food chain in America out of business.

Madden though is right about Vince being a d-head by making fun of Jim Ross. What a major tool bag (Vince, not Madden, although Madden's probably one too).

 

[Metallo]

Kenny had some great athletic ability but he seemed a little full of himself. I think he got a little too much too soon. It was clear that even though the Spirit Squad was a joke of a group whose purpose was to be cannon fodder Kenny was being showcased as the star. The group got sent back to developmental but he was one of the few to come back soon in a solo spot. He probably wasn't mature enough to handle were he was at the time.

Vince's dig at JR not only made me sick but there was no reason for it. Vince wasn't playing heel so its not like he could do that to get some heel heat that he could use

It was just a personal shot he took to entertain himself. Stuff like that makes the Be a Star campaign look like such bullsh**. The guy who made the call to get in on it can't even follow the teachings they want the kids to learn about. More fuel for his wifes political opponents.

 

[Dr. Evil]

JR though doesn't seem too upset at the digs at him, otherwise he would have quit the WWE by now.