Comics One More Day Discussion Thread

[farmernudie]

Blader: Pete and MJ have still been together for the past 20 years.

No they have NOT.

I thought this was established by slott, whacker, joe..someone somewhere, in some thread...interview, whatever.

They have not been together the past 20 years.

Not that it matters....at all. As you pointed out many times...no one remembers anything.

 

[Blader5489]

No they have NOT.

I thought this was established by slott, whacker, joe..someone somewhere, in some thread...interview, whatever.

They have not been together the past 20 years.

No, you are completely wrong on this. Everyone at Marvel who has spoken on the subject has said that for the past 20 years of stories, Peter and MJ were together as a couple, not just a married couple. It was only recently that they split up for unknown reasons.

From Quesada himself:

Exactly, that’s precisely what we wanted to avoid. What didn’t occur was the marriage. Peter and MJ were together, they loved each other -- they just didn’t pull the trigger on the wedding day. All the books count, all the stories count -- except in the minds of the people within the Marvel U, Peter and MJ were a couple, not a married couple. To me, that’s a much fairer thing to do to those of us who have been reading Spider-Man for all these years. Like I said, is it perfect? No. As far as we investigated, short of divorcing Peter, nothing really is.

Source

 

[farmernudie]

RIGHT.

NO WHERE DOES IT SAY THEY THEN STAYED TOGETHER FOR 20 YEARS.

IT SAYS THEY DATED AND THEN DIDN"T PULL THE TRIGGER ON THE WEDDING DAY.

Something bad happened then that we don't know now..i know...i know.

So, you're just SURMISING out of the blue, they were together for 20 years after that.

And yeh...joe says all the books still "count"...of course he is gonna say that too! sheesh.

 

[Kevin]

No, one of them said they didn't break up until VERY recently.

 

[Blader5489]

So, you're just SURMISING out of the blue, they were together for 20 years after that.

No, I'm not. It says RIGHT THERE that they've been together as a couple, just not a married couple.

 

[farmernudie]

AS an English Major (at one time), I must point out, that the SEGMENT you are refering to above, IN ORDER...is saying they were together, they loved each other, but then didn't pull the trigger on the wedding day.

Those listed can lead you to surmise, yes, Pete still proposed. IT doesn't say that, but you can easily SURMISE that since they 'didn't pull the trigger on their WEDDING DAY".

No where, in THAT sequence of events does it say then they lived together for 20 years afte...happily ever after.

Statistically speaking,...couples who are "left at the alter" do not stay together after a traumatic situation like that, (mental betrayal) or if at all...NOT for very long, weeks maybe, but not for 20 years. That is a big leap logically, for THAT SITUATION that Joe put out. There better be an AMAZING story to pull that off then.

And to use your own logic and others..who have said, THEY CAN"T DIVORCE THEM, THEY HAD TO DO A DEVIL DEAL, THEY"VE BEEN MARRIED TOOLONG FOR 20 YEARS! Using that same logic people defend with then...from that angle, why would they break up after everything (unbelievably) staying the same and living together for twenty years, on top of a BROKEN WEDDING, WHY would they split??? Again, if this is true, it is another thing that doesn't make sense logically.

The thing is, to be real here, they've all been just saying A LOT of stuff that makes no sense....just to try and bandaid, or quick fix the million HOLES they know they've created.

 

[Dark Spidey]

From Quesada himself:

Exactly, that’s precisely what we wanted to avoid. What didn’t occur was the marriage. Peter and MJ were together, they loved each other -- they just didn’t pull the trigger on the wedding day. All the books count, all the stories count -- except in the minds of the people within the Marvel U, Peter and MJ were a couple, not a married couple. To me, that’s a much fairer thing to do to those of us who have been reading Spider-Man for all these years. Like I said, is it perfect? No. As far as we investigated, short of divorcing Peter, nothing really is.

It's right there, farmernudie. I think you just don't want to read it.

They have been an unmarried couple for those years that we originally read them as a married couple. Up until recently, which is when they broke up. That's why Peter is stopping over at May's house when we first see him in issue one of BND.

All that has changed is that the wedding never took place. Maybe they both had cold feet on the big day. Maybe Peter lost the ring. Maybe, and more than likely, just as they were about to tie the knot, Mephisto caused some shenanigans and Peter had to run off to save the day somewhere.

That's a story for another time.

But then Peter and MJ stayed together but after their near miss, never got to a point in their relationship where they wanted to get hitched again.

It's really quite simple. Some people just need to chillax around here.

 

[mre]

RIGHT.

NO WHERE DOES IT SAY THEY THEN STAYED TOGETHER FOR 20 YEARS.

IT SAYS THEY DATED AND THEN DIDN"T PULL THE TRIGGER ON THE WEDDING DAY.

Something bad happened then that we don't know now..i know...i know.

So, you're just SURMISING out of the blue, they were together for 20 years after that.

And yeh...joe says all the books still "count"...of course he is gonna say that too! sheesh.

It doesn't specifically say they were together for 20 years, because that would be "real time" not "Marvel time" remember. Peter is 25 years old or something right? If they said Peter was married 20 years ago, he would have been 5 when he tied the knot.

 

[Blader5489]

It doesn't specifically say they were together for 20 years, because that would be "real time" not "Marvel time" remember. Peter is 25 years old or something right? If they said Peter was married 20 years ago, he would have been 5 when he tied the knot.

Yeah. 20 years real time is like 5 years Marvel time.

 

[DACMAN]

It doesn't specifically say they were together for 20 years, because that would be "real time" not "Marvel time" remember. Peter is 25 years old or something right? If they said Peter was married 20 years ago, he would have been 5 when he tied the knot.

Actually he was 30.

 

[Blader5489]

Actually he was 30.

Did it say somewhere he's 30 or are you just making it up?

 

[mre]

Actually he was 30.

Fine. He was 10 when he got married to MJ instead of 5.

 

[farmernudie]

Well, it doesn't matter now anyway guys, because they never got married anyway, except in Earth One.

All the marriage haters now have their own earth where everything is alternate and they never married and villians and heroes alike are clueless and can't remember everything. Whoooopie.

 

[Themanofbat]

RIGHT.

NO WHERE DOES IT SAY THEY THEN STAYED TOGETHER FOR 20 YEARS.

IT SAYS THEY DATED AND THEN DIDN"T PULL THE TRIGGER ON THE WEDDING DAY.

Something bad happened then that we don't know now..i know...i know.

So, you're just SURMISING out of the blue, they were together for 20 years after that.

And yeh...joe says all the books still "count"...of course he is gonna say that too! sheesh.

They were together for the last 20 years as a dating couple because we saw Mary Jane in all those Spidey adventures... the only time they briefly seperated would have been between ASM #454 and #491.

Those stories that have happened still occured, but as a non-married couple... so perhaps with a tweak here or there, those stories have happened.

 

[farmernudie]

TMOB: They were together for the last 20 years as a dating couple because WE SAW Mary Jane in all those Spidey adventures... the only time they briefly seperated would have been between ASM #454 and #491.

Those stories that have happened still occured, but as a non-married couple... so perhaps with a tweak here or there, those stories have happened.

Hmn, i don't recall personally reading 20 years of dating stories...after MJ (or Pete) couldn't go thru with the wedding.

(and who gets left at the alter and then shacks up with the loser for 20 years after such an insult anyway????)

Sounds like an alternate reality to me.

 

[Abaddon]

so if they were still together wtf misery does Mephisto have to feed on?

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

so if they were still together wtf misery does Mephisto have to feed on?

The socalled little part of Peter that still remembers.

 

[Abaddon]

oh whatever

 

[farmernudie]

Yeh, that doesn't make sense either.

If in this new reality, if Pete and MJ never married, but one of them left the other at the alter, tho they had no problem with it and supposedly lived together for 20 years...Mephisto gets nothing out of making old ladies live longer. In fact, he also made MJ into a crimefighter..who fights EVIL. SO Mephisto's deal makes NO sense at all, in the slightest....is he brain dead these days?

So now they are not together, but a part of their soul remembers they're married. But Pete will date and not act like a part of his soul remembers he is married while smooching. But his webshooters appeared and so did Harry, who is now a marrying machine??

Oy yoy yoy.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Yeh, that doesn't make sense either.

If in this new reality, if Pete and MJ never married, but one of them left the other at the alter, tho they had no problem with it and supposedly lived together for 20 years...Mephisto gets nothing out of making old ladies live longer. In fact, he also made MJ into a crimefighter..who fights EVIL. SO Mephisto's deal makes NO sense at all, in the slightest....is he brain dead these days?

It hasnt been confirmed that MJ is now a superhero.And Mephisto wouldnt really care about her fighting evil.Fact is he got on of the best hero's to make a deal with him so to him its worth it.

But not for us.

 

[Brand]

Did it say somewhere he's 30 or are you just making it up?

Allow me to bring up Marvel's biggest problem (in my view): young characters and the effect aging them has on older heroes.

Let's look at Kitty Pryde as an example. She was 13 when introduced at the start of 1980. While no specific age has been given for her lately, I'll stay conservative and assign her a rough age of 21. That's being VERY conservative - she's already gone to college and is teaching at Xavier's (or will if she survives her trip to Breakworld).

Now, that means that 8 years have passed in Marvel time since 1980 (roughly). Again, I'll be conservative here. IF we are to believe Peter is only 25 now, that would mean he was about 17 in 1980. That's preposterous - he'd already graduated high school and gone on to college. Being VERY conservative, we'll say he was about 20 which would make him in his late 20's now (28 or 29).

So, Peter is either pushing 30 or Marvel's characters age at different rates. I think it would be easier for Marvel to swallow their pride and admit they've aged Peter more than they wanted and start working to halt aging their current crop of heroes.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Allow me to bring up Marvel's biggest problem (in my view): young characters and the effect aging them has on older heroes.

Let's look at Kitty Pryde as an example. She was 13 when introduced at the start of 1980. While no specific age has been given for her lately, I'll stay conservative and assign her a rough age of 21. That's being VERY conservative - she's already gone to college and is teaching at Xavier's (or will if she survives her trip to Breakworld).

Now, that means that 8 years have passed in Marvel time since 1980 (roughly). Again, I'll be conservative here. IF we are to believe Peter is only 25 now, that would mean he was about 17 in 1980. That's preposterous - he'd already graduated high school and gone on to college. Being VERY conservative, we'll say he was about 20 which would make him in his late 20's now (28 or 29).

So, Peter is either pushing 30 or Marvel's characters age at different rates. I think it would be easier for Marvel to swallow their pride and admit they've aged Peter more than they wanted and start working to halt aging their current crop of heroes.

Well Len Wein and Dave Cockrun's notes placed Peter's age at between 19 and 21.and I remember reading that Kitty was a college grad at 19 years of age.

But I agree with what your saying.But I see a bigger problem with age in the surporting cast of Spiderman and other hero's in relation to the main character.

For exsample Normie Osborn.Born in 1983 [our time] and by the time of some of his lastter apperance's [around the time that his grandfather returned] was around 9 or 12 years old while Peter had only aged about 3 or 4 years.

 

[Blader5489]

Allow me to bring up Marvel's biggest problem (in my view): young characters and the effect aging them has on older heroes.

Let's look at Kitty Pryde as an example. She was 13 when introduced at the start of 1980. While no specific age has been given for her lately, I'll stay conservative and assign her a rough age of 21. That's being VERY conservative - she's already gone to college and is teaching at Xavier's (or will if she survives her trip to Breakworld).

Now, that means that 8 years have passed in Marvel time since 1980 (roughly). Again, I'll be conservative here. IF we are to believe Peter is only 25 now, that would mean he was about 17 in 1980. That's preposterous - he'd already graduated high school and gone on to college. Being VERY conservative, we'll say he was about 20 which would make him in his late 20's now (28 or 29).

So, Peter is either pushing 30 or Marvel's characters age at different rates. I think it would be easier for Marvel to swallow their pride and admit they've aged Peter more than they wanted and start working to halt aging their current crop of heroes.

Welcome to the Marvel sliding timescale. Stuff like that happens all the time, like Reed Richards fighting in WWII or Iron Man's origin being set in Vietnam. Franklin Richards seemingly ages at about the same rate as Dick Clark.

I don't think it's that big of a deal, just an inherent oddity with Marvel continuity that needs to be accepted. Stuff like the aforementioned examples are typically ignored anyways.

 

[Dark Spidey]

Regarding Peter's age. Wasn't it mentioned in Civil war that Peter had been Spider-Man for ten years?

That makes him mid-twenties.

 

[DoomRulz]

Regarding Peter's age. Wasn't it mentioned in Civil war that Peter had been Spider-Man for ten years?

That makes him mid-twenties.

He said he'd been SM since he was 15.