Comics One More Day Discussion Thread

[kainedamo]

Ah, home from work, and nursing (LONG week)...and I can read posts again..and get caught up...yay!

Well, as per the (way) above mentioned relationships....it DOES change A LOT to have these heroes who are friends NOT KNOW HIM.

Yes, ( i can agree partially gusy) the points TMOB and (the other couple) mentioned that part of the relationship was forged per say more on the "spidey" side of the coin.

BUT...That changes the dynamic CONSIDERABLY A LOT Tho, to lose the PETER side of the friendship...take DD, just as one example...yes, they've had adventures before knowing...but their adventures and friendship got DEEPER after knowing each other's flip sides.

NOw Pete is like , just a "spider-man" figure to them...sure they can have new adventures...but MY point is, that i would like to be acknowledged, is that it wipes their friendship(s) off the slates period. SUre, they can become friends again...(AGAIN!!)

But, why do we need a dumbed down, history ignored Spidey. That doesn't make him better. I wasn't having a hard time "understanding" and "Remembering his friends and their adventures".

And Black Cat, Doc Conners, Felicia...others...everything is wiped away...all their rich histories...and that is SAD to me. None of all that , which i've ggrown up reading matters now.

The thing that gets me is that it was so unnecassary to "wipe the slate clean" in the way that they have.

You would think that the continuity of Spider-Man was bogging the character down.

It was the exact opposite. Spider-Man has (had) one of the richest and fulfilling histories in all of superhero-dom.

I feel that having half of that history ignored and/or wiped away is a real tragedy.

 

[farmernudie]

It is sad kainedamo.

I can't believe more people aren't insulted by dumbing spidey down.

Admitting they've planned this for years and angled all stories to lead to this.

Character continuity and character histories make the stories deep.

Now we're starting over, like Ultimate Spider-Man (what's the point to have two Ultimates now???)

No history, altered history, no one remembers anything, if they do, they only remember bits and pieces. Friendships gone. Marriage gone. All gone. "so young new readers can understand better"

Well, i am insulted that those that DID understand and followed spidey can't have a BIG BOYS title for THEM...where there IS continuity AND history. (and no, I am not talking about ALTERNATE HISTORY, that we now have, like some will argue.)
Are we all too DUMB to read spidey anymore?

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

I read JQ's interview at AICN....



I'm done.

He actually states that making a deal with the Devil was the RIGHT... the HEROIC thing to do. Anyone who lives in such a self-delusional world of moral relativism does NOT deserve to be EIC of a company which produces stories about heroism. I used to hate him but now he simply isn't that important to me.

Done.

 

[farmernudie]

Is that a new interview?

Where is that at?? I'd like to read it.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Ain't It Cool News. It's from today.

I'm glad I'd already been to the liquor store.

 

[Blader5489]

Pretty interesting that Bendis wrote a (now scrapped) scene in New Avengers that explored how team's reaction to not knowing who Spidey is. Shame they had to cut it, though it does give me hope that other writers--or at least Bendis--will be addressing Pete's secret identity in their own books.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I read JQ's interview at AICN....



I'm done.

He actually states that making a deal with the Devil was the RIGHT... the HEROIC thing to do. Anyone who lives in such a self-delusional world of moral relativism does NOT deserve to be EIC of a company which produces stories about heroism. I used to hate him but now he simply isn't that important to me.

Done.

How is it the heroic thing to do? JQ sure needs to learn a lesson in the sense of realism and story telling.

 

[farmernudie]

Blader:...though it does give me hope that other writers--or at least Bendis--will be addressing Pete's secret identity in their own books.

Well, Joe also said that it won't be addressed, except maybe as a special feature not in the comics, to show people, possibly. And that all the changes and stuff that doesn't make sense is the new status quo and that they're looking FORWARD and NOT BACK AT ANY OF IT.

In another interview, he also stated, that none of the changes or how the changes happend would be mentioned again. Ever. It was to change the marriage and other (convenient) things he wanted undone or altered.

Here, he also states he has NO intention of bringing the marriage back. (unless the sales plummet)

So those fans that are holding on, thinking MJ is coming back...well, she won't if you're READING IT AND BUYING IT ...WAITING FOR IT.

 

[farmernudie]

computer glitch<

 

[farmernudie]

(multiplied same posts)

 

[Blader5489]

Well, Joe also said that it won't be addressed , except maybe as a special feature not in the comics, to show people, possibly.

Uh...he only said it was cut out because of OMD's terrible delays. Considering that Norman and the Thunderbolts will be appearing in ASM later this year, and an issue of New Avengers this summer will focus entirely on Spider-Man, I think it's a safe bet that we will see reactions to the new status quo in other books.

In another interview, he also stated, that none of the changes or how the changes happend would be mentioned again. Ever.

I don't think that's true, unless you have a quote showing otherwise. But I don't remember Quesada saying the changes would never be addressed, and I do remember Steve Wacker saying how they were making stories out of things like what happened on the wedding day or the night Harry "died."

So those fans that are holding on, thinking MJ is coming back...well, she won't if you're READING IT AND BUYING IT ...WAITING FOR IT.

The marriage may not come back but doesn't mean MJ won't.

 

[kainedamo]

Blader, whats the point of the continuing saga of Spider-Man if the writers will never give him a worthwhile relationship?

It's now a static story, going nowhere.

 

[Blader5489]

Blader, whats the point of the continuing saga of Spider-Man if the writers will never give him a worthwhile relationship?

It's now a static story, going nowhere.

Peter never married Betty, Gwen, (initially) MJ, or Felicia. Did that make those relationships any less worthwhile?

 

[DoomRulz]

Peter never married Betty, Gwen, (initially) MJ, or Felicia. Did that make those relationships any less worthwhile?

Well kinda, ya. His marriage to MJ was a major cornerstone in his life as marriage usually is. Or hadn't you noticed?

 

[roach]

In other news Luke Skywalker made a deal with the devil to save his wife Mara Jade...he is now back on Tatooine living with Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru...he knows nothing of what he did or being a Grand Master Jedi.....sounds just as silly doesnt it

 

[DoomRulz]

In other news Luke Skywalker made a deal with the devil to save his wife Mara Jade...he is now back on Tatooine living with Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru...he knows nothing of what he did or being a Grand Master Jedi.....sounds just as silly doesnt it

rofl

p.s. nice sig

 

[farmernudie]

BLADER...JQ, just before OMD came out, as everyone was keeping threads and posts about JQ quotes....Joe DID say that (at the time) that the changes in OMD that he'd bring about would not be mentioned again, as in the marriage, as if they never happened.

He said in this interview that he has NO PLANS to bring MJ back together.

So, i take that to say she DOESN"T KNOW they're married. (OR were married in the first world continuity, or whatever anyone wants to call it.)

If you ignore all the quotes anyway....LOGICALLY, it owuld make NO SENSE for Marvel to want to remind the fans of the marriage, they are SO HARD trying to get rid of. The whole point is to rid the world of the marriage.

Again, he stated in THIS interview the best stories are with a single spidey in his opinion.

SO, his earlier quote that he wasn't gonna remind people about the marriage and look back at it ever are TRUE.

You won't be seeing ASTERISK BOXES, referencing old issues anytime reminding anyone that they were once married. HE said this story is about LOOKING AHEAD, NOT BACK.

MJ and the marriage are axed.

 

[Brand]

In other news Luke Skywalker made a deal with the devil to save his wife Mara Jade...he is now back on Tatooine living with Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru...he knows nothing of what he did or being a Grand Master Jedi.....sounds just as silly doesnt it

Hey, don't even joke about Luke and Mara. What the SW writers did to those books (culminating with Mara's death) was nearly as bad as JQ and Marvel's abominable treatment of Spider-Man.

 

[Blader5489]

BLADER...JQ, just before OMD came out, as everyone was keeping threads and posts about JQ quotes....Joe DID say that (at the time) that the changes in OMD that he'd bring about would not be mentioned again, as in the marriage, as if they never happened.

He said in this interview that he has NO PLANS to bring MJ back together.

Again, do you have a link or quote that says this? If you can provide proof of Quesada saying MJ won't come back and the changes won't be addressed, then I'll concede my point.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Is that a new interview?

Where is that at?? I'd like to read it.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35318

 

[farmernudie]

Well...i don't have time Blader to go back thru all the threads here and find all the quotes from past interviews.....ifi stumble upon them, i may repost them as i find them..but i don't have the time to go back right now and search them out. Tho he did say that.

Current one tho...


Joe:
"Moving forward, I don’t think this will be an issue for the two characters as they remember nothing of the deal and we’re going to be spending more time looking forward than back."


But here is one quote.

So that is WHY i said that i don't believe MJ will remember they are/were married, in some continuity somewhere. (as some people think she does)

Like i've said in other posts...MJ remembering, logically, makes no sense anyway....because it makes Pete look like a cheater, if one person knows they were married, and the other doesn't. (and not getting into one remembering they were, when they NEVER were in this new continuity anyway, as also stated...so how could MJ remember something that never happened in BND reality anyway?? ya know?)

 

[Themanofbat]

He actually states that making a deal with the Devil was the RIGHT... the HEROIC thing to do. Anyone who lives in such a self-delusional world of moral relativism does NOT deserve to be EIC of a company which produces stories about heroism. I used to hate him but now he simply isn't that important to me.

Done.

When I read your post, I thought WTF??? JQ's nuts...

But when you read the article, he makes a valid point. I'm not suggesting one way or the other if that was the correct direction I would have taken Spider-Man, but he makes a valid point nonetheless.

Two sides to every story...

 

[Blader5489]

so how could MJ remember something that never happened in BND reality anyway?? ya know?)

The same way Wolverine and Layla Miller somehow kept their memories of the world as it once was despite the Scarlet Witch altering reality.

Anyway, I remember Steve Wacker saying how he was recently talking to an artist about a story depicting what happened on Pete and MJ's wedding day that kept them from getting married. Will the marriage be restored? Not for a few years, if at all. But I don't think MJ has been completely written out of the book; her absence right now is only because the writers have the chance,for the first time in years, to let girls who aren't MJ to get close to Peter.

I doubt everything will be addressed. For example, we'll probably never get an explanation as to what Peter's spider totem powers or how Aunt May's house was restored. But, given Wacker's comments on the subject, I don't think stories about Harry and the would-be wedding are out of the question.

 

[farmernudie]

Well...it is obvious after all they've went thru to forcibly get us to this point...they're not gonna want to have the fans thinking about Pete and MJ ...or being married once, or not ever being married...

Now that I think about it..that's prolly why they dropped MJ down from what she was before...to now just being a quiessential "Superhero". It's another trickly/clever way (depending on your side of it) way to draw attention away from MJ the "wife" from one reality, the "non wife" in another....and put the focus on MJ "Just another superhero" aspect.

People will be talking about her fighting crime and slowly forgetting who her character REALLY is.

More and more insulting the more i think about it.

 

[Blader5489]

Well...it is obvious after all they've went thru to forcibly get us to this point...they're not gonna want to have the fans thinking about Pete and MJ ...or being married once, or not ever being married...

Now that I think about it..that's prolly why they dropped MJ down from what she was before...to now just being a quiessential "Superhero". It's another trickly/clever way (depending on your side of it) way to draw attention away from MJ the "wife" from one reality, the "non wife" in another....and put the focus on MJ "Just another superhero" aspect.

People will be talking about her fighting crime and slowly forgetting who her character REALLY is.

More and more insulting the more i think about it.

Given that MJ was seen in the "new day" portion of OMD, and Harry mentioned how Pete almost married a supermodel once, I don't think they're flat out ignoring MJ.

And I again, I think you're blowing things out of proportion.