The Dark Knight Rises Opening Scene

[KRIM]

When I said Bane+LoS=BB, I meant that the origin story of Batman and Bane would be the same, not the entire movie.

Well, my previous points still apply. The training period is such a small element of their respective origins. Their histories couldn't be any more different. It would be like saying you and I are basically the same person because we were brought to these boards as a result of loving the character. Looking at it as a whole, similarities play little into the equation. What would be more accurate is that Bruce and Bane have interesting parallels. It factors in things they do share, but acknowledging they operate on differing levels.

I'm going to be honest, I was confused and thought that you were in agreement with Pagan and that you believed that the LoS was the only route it could go. I see from your last post, however, that that is not true. So that's my mistake. I completely agree with you and I think that it's impossible to predict what is going to happen, that's how I have always felt about this movie.

In my last post I was just trying to convince you (or atleast I thought) that Ra's training Bane was not the only option and that it could go in many ways. But obviously, you all ready agree with that. So my apologies. We good?

Yes, we are good.

 

[The_Raganork]

I love conversations with Krim

you're one of the top 5 posters I've seen Kudos to you man.

 

[Kynergy]

Well, my previous points still apply. The training period is such a small element of their respective origins. Their histories couldn't be any more different. It would be like saying you and I are basically the same person because we were brought to these boards as a result of loving the character. Looking at it as a whole, similarities play little into the equation. What would be more accurate is that Bruce and Bane have interesting parallels. It factors in things they do share, but acknowledging they operate on differing levels.

Very, very true. You have said it better than I ever could. But just let me get this straight so I can process this through my teenage brain What your saying is Bane and Bruce would have a similar up bringing, but their motives are completely different. So their origin starts going down the same path, but it then splits somewhere down the line.

 

[KRIM]

I love conversations with Krim

you're one of the top 5 posters I've seen Kudos to you man.

Heh. Give it time. I'm sure this opinion will surely change should our paths ever cross.

Very, very true. You have said it better than I ever could. But just let me get this straight so I can process this through my teenage brain What your saying is Bane and Bruce would have a similar up bringing, but their motives are completely different. So their origin starts going down the same path, but it then splits somewhere down the line.

Roughly that is the gist of it. Bane, like many of the rogues gallery, shines a particular light on certain aspects of Bruce's character. Undoubtedly there are many interpretations. I like to think of the villains as physical manifestations of what Bruce could have become had his life taken a different turn.

Ra's answers the question of, "what if Bruce's idealized Utopian vision superseded his moral code?". Freeze answers "what lengths would a desperate Bruce go to bring his parents back?". Bane offers an alternate look at self-made hardship in the midst of a criminal climate. A "what if Bruce didn't have his money and the values instilled from his guardians" scenario, if you will.

So I've no issue with Bane sharing narrative elements. That's par the course, as far as I'm concerned. There's a lot they can do with it, especially if it is to incorporate Ra's. Done right, it would serve to not only clash two equals in a fight of brain and brawn, but create the intimate atmosphere that surrounds all great tragedies.

But that is all for another thread. I've derailed this long enough.

 

[Kynergy]

Roughly that is the gist of it. Bane, like many of the rogues gallery, shines a particular light on certain aspects of Bruce's character. Undoubtedly there are many interpretations. I like to think of the villains as physical manifestations of what Bruce could have become had his life taken a different turn.

Ra's answers the question of, "what if Bruce's idealized Utopian vision superseded his moral code?". Freeze answers "what lengths would a desperate Bruce go to bring his parents back?". Bane offers an alternate look at self-made hardship in the midst of a criminal climate. A "what if Bruce didn't have his money and the values instilled from his guardians" scenario, if you will.

So I've no issue with Bane sharing narrative elements. That's par the course, as far as I'm concerned. There's a lot they can do with it, especially if it is to incorporate Ra's. Done right, it would serve to not only clash two equals in a fight of brain and brawn, but create the intimate atmosphere that surrounds all great tragedies.

But that is all for another thread. I've derailed this long enough.

Wow, great stuff. I have to say, coming onto these forums has given me a completely different perspective as to what Batman is all about. Very interesting.

I like to think of the villains as physical manifestations of what Bruce could have become had his life taken a different turn.

That's a really interesting way of looking at.

I will say this. I wouldn't like to see Bane trained by the LoS. Personally, I just think he needs some other origin, or even no origin at all. But if it happens, I could be on board with it. Thanks for explaining all that for me.

 

[The_Raganork]

Heh. Give it time. I'm sure this opinion will surely change should our paths ever cross.

We've sparred (at length), in the Robin thread

Was I that forgettable?

 

[KRIM]

Hah, was that you? Apologies. I try to refrain from looking at usernames so I can approach debates and issues with as little bias as possible. Wouldn't want emotions and pre-conceived notions to dictate or inform my discussions.

 

[The_Raganork]

Hah, was that you? Apologies. I try to refrain from looking at usernames so I can approach debates and issues with as little bias as possible. Wouldn't want emotions and pre-conceived notions to dictate or inform my discussions.

oh now I really like you. t:

 

[Pagan]

Very, very true. You have said it better than I ever could. But just let me get this straight so I can process this through my teenage brain What your saying is Bane and Bruce would have a similar up bringing, but their motives are completely different. So their origin starts going down the same path, but it then splits somewhere down the line.

they both lost family. Bane spent his life in prison surrounded by that element.
Bruce was raised by Alfred and sent to the best schools.

Both trained their bodies and minds to fill the void. Both sought vengeance. But Bruce had loved ones who steered him straight.

 

[Pagan]

The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight! What do I win.



I never said I did.



But, if Bane was trained by the LoS, how much different could it get from Bruce being trained by the LoS. I'm confused in what your asking me to do. I don't even think your asking me a concrete question. But, if he is trained by the League, then its the same as Bruce. There could be differences...

- Bane wasn't found in prison
- Bane sticks with the League, unlike Bruce
- Bane kills the prisoner, unlike Bruce.

So if he did those things, being trained by the League but listening to everything Ra's says, then he is just like Ra's. And Ra's and Bruce already fought each other, we don't need to see it again. I just don't see any radical differences between Bruce being trained by the LoS and Bane being trained by the LoS.

Does that answer whatever it is your asking me?

the difference is the decision they make. Bruce because of his parents and Alfred had that to help inform his decision. That moral core that Bane,because of the environment he was raised in didn't have.

It's a great juxtaposing of the two. Who even though had similar traumatic experiences. Even though they both trained body and mind to seek vengeance. Would come away with a totally different sense of justice.

Ra's ideology is that human society by and large is corrupt or apathetic. That it's problems are systemic and beyond repair. He wants to burn it all down and start over. force everyone to play by his rules. because he knows best. total megalomaniac. Bruce never bought into that. he just used Ra's to improve himself. Once Ra's told him his real agenda he rebelled. Bane though. If my story was written. Would have Bane appear to buy into it but after using Ra's and the LoS to accomplish destroying it all. his plan would be to overthrow Ra's after it and usurp the throne. I can't see him be willing to play 2nd fiddle forever. Alas Ra's went and got himself killed. So Bane and Talia set about to finish it. Starting with Batman and Gotham. Attacking him on both fronts. Talia would seduce him and mess with his head as Bruce Wayne while sabotaging his business and family name. (unbeknownst to him until the 3rd act) While Bane attacks him as Batman. The 3rd act would be Talia revealing who she really is. Her and Bane come at him together and Catwoman ,who has run into Batman a couple of times during the film (museum robbery) and they have come to an "understanding". (I'm guessing he finds out she's not just a thief but also gives a lot of her proceeds to charity and fights violent criminals so he lets her slide) She comes to his aide. Batman saves the city. In a very public way. Redeems himself (the truth about Dent comes out somehow and the warrants are dropped) Then he becomes the protector of Gotham he was destined to be. This may include a breaking of Bruce's back and a Lazarus pit healing. I could see it working out if say, Bane were to turn on Talia and Bats saves her. He gets hurt in the process. She escapes and then returns to help him. Why would Bane turn on her? maybe he secretly planned to rule with her at his side and got jealous? maybe Talia fell for Bruce? Anyhoo I think we'll get a good movie nothing like this

 

[EliteF50]

oh now I really like you. t:

Get a room, you two.

 

[The Wizard]

Bane escaping.

 

[IamtheBatman]

I want a batman chase on the rooftop!

 

[kvz5]

I want a batman chase on the rooftop!

Same here. Although let's make it more exciting by making it a Catwoman/Batman/GCPD chase scene!

 

[Knight Rise]

Should be Batman rounding up the last of Jokers goons.

 

[MultipleJesuses]

Batman being chased by the cops as Bane watches, studying him would be pretty cool but would leave a pretty big gap storyline wise so I suspect we'll see Bane's past as the opening scene. But what if Bane has been in Gotham the whole way through the events of TDK. Watching Batman pushed to his limits with the Joker then with Harvey?

 

[The Wizard]

Bane breaking from confinement.

 

[Armalarm]

The prison break scene. Bane has been patiently observing Batman throughout the events of TDK, he was waiting for the dark knight to fall so that he may break him and claim the city.

What if before Ras Al Ghul returns to Gotham in BB, he let Bane out of confinement. (assuming that Bane was a member of the league of shadows)
"its all part of the plan"

im just blabbing on...

 

[Godzilla2014]

If it weren't for Heath Ledger's death [BLACKOUT]and the ruin of Batman's framing himself for Harvey Dent's crimes at the end of The Dark Knight[/BLACKOUT], I would love to see a scene like the opening of The Killing Joke, with Batman visiting Joker in Arkham Asylum in an attempt to make peace with him. I think that would be a unique way to open the film. Think about it: How many times have you seen a superhero try to make peace with his archenemy?

 

[Blue_Scholar]

If it weren't for Heath Ledger's death [BLACKOUT]and the ruin of Batman's framing himself for Harvey Dent's crimes at the end of The Dark Knight[/BLACKOUT], I would love to see a scene like the opening of The Killing Joke, with Batman visiting Joker in Arkham Asylum in an attempt to make peace with him. I think that would be a unique way to open the film. Think about it: How many times have you seen a superhero try to make peace with his archenemy?

That would have been cool man. Damn it.

 

[Godzilla2014]

That would have been cool man. Damn it.

Agreed. Maybe it could be used in the next film series. Start off with a pre-established Batman, who's already encountered the Joker and locked him up. He visits the Joker to make peace with his archenemy, and then go on from there with a film that lives up to that opening. One that plays by its own rules, traveling outside the box as the Nolan films have.

 

[Doc Holliday]

If it weren't for Heath Ledger's death [BLACKOUT]and the ruin of Batman's framing himself for Harvey Dent's crimes at the end of The Dark Knight[/BLACKOUT], I would love to see a scene like the opening of The Killing Joke, with Batman visiting Joker in Arkham Asylum in an attempt to make peace with him. I think that would be a unique way to open the film. Think about it: How many times have you seen a superhero try to make peace with his archenemy?

Haha, the black-ing out of that in this forum just makes me laugh.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Haha, the black-ing out of that in this forum just makes me laugh.

I didn't want to spoil it for anyone who hasn't seen the movie yet. I at least want to wait until popular culture spoils the twist for those people, unfortunate bastards they may be.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I didn't want to spoil it for anyone who hasn't seen the movie yet. I at least want to wait until popular culture spoils the twist for those people, unfortunate bastards they may be.

No, I know. And your consideration is very appreciated, as it can sometimes be quite rare on these boards. It just made me laugh since this is a spoiler forum for the sequel.

As for your idea, it would have been very awesome.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Maybe with Bane on board as he is being transported to Arkham?

That seems very possible, Bane escaping from a plane taking him to Arkham could spectacular, and would be a good way to start the film off establishing him.

Damn... I'm really not sure what to expect for this one. If it starts in the india scenes, sand might be cool. Or maybe snow, if it's snowy in Gotham.

Is it confirmed that TDKR will feature a snowy Gotham?