Homecoming Organics or Web-Shooters?

[The Slang]

Probably the same amount of energy you would need to do the super power things he does lol.

I think you're missing the point. His body can not produce more matter than it is consuming. The web doesn't generate by magic, his body would have to produce it from the materials he eats/drinks.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Don't get me wrong, while I don't mind the idea of organics, I greatly prefer mechs, but this line of thinking is, and always has been ridiculous.

The hair and spinnerets on spiders are exactly where they need to be to be useful - they're on the best place, anatomically, for a spider to use and manipulate webbing. If we are to assume the spider-powers transfer to Peter in a logical sense, then spinnerets appearing on his wrists, and the "hairs" appearing on his finder tips and feet are exactly the best place, anatomically for them to appear in order to be useful. It takes far more of a leap in comic-book logic to assume that they would generate someplace UNuseful. His body would naturally adapt the powers of the spider to function properly for the biology and anatomy of a human.

That is great post Spider-Who? You are so right.

Possibly, but immaterial. No one can convince me that that wasn't exactly what Raimi was aiming for.

It is just your dirty mind lol. James Cameron came up with organics concept and Sony kept it for Raimi movies. Then the comics did it as well.

None of them were thinking the dirty ideas you were lol.

I think you're missing the point. His body can not produce more matter than it is consuming. The web doesn't generate by magic, his body would have to produce it from the materials he eats/drinks.

If his body can make more energy on less food then it can make more webbing. That is what super powers are. Going beyond normal limits of human body. You try to apply too much realism to fantasy.

 

[The Slang]

It has nothing to do with the human body, it's a matter of physics. Energy can't be created or destroyed and all that. You can't magically produce webbing from nothing, it has to come from somewhere.

 

[The Slang]

It is just your dirty mind lol. James Cameron came up with organics concept and Sony kept it for Raimi movies. Then the comics did it as well.

None of them were thinking the dirty ideas you were lol.

You're mistaken. Cameron's script had what can only be described as a 'wet dream' sequence. The metaphor was painfully obvious.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

It has nothing to do with the human body, it's a matter of physics. Energy can't be created or destroyed and all that.

I did not say his body is making it out of nothing. You not reading posts properly. I say it is same as how he is able to endure longer with more strength and energy on less food. He has super powers. He doesn't need to drink gallons of water to make organic webbing just like he doesn't need to eat a five course meal before every battle lol.

You're mistaken. Cameron's script had what can only be described as a 'wet dream' sequence. The metaphor was painfully obvious.

I am not mistaken. Cameron came up with organic webbing. Sony kept the idea for Raimi movies. That is fact.

 

[The Slang]

I know Cameron came up with organic webs. I've read the script. What you're mistaken about is that the organic webs were never used for puberty metaphors.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I know Cameron came up with organic webs. I've read the script. What you're mistaken about is that the organic webs were never used for puberty metaphors.

They were not. Post script scene you say did that and prove it.

 

[fixxxer]

This has gone into the realm of the absurd.

 

[The Slang]

Have you read Cameron's script? I'm pretty sure Cameron even mentioned it himself.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Yeah I read his script and I saw no puberty metaphor. I never hear him say it was either. You have link where he did?

 

[TheVileOne]

I've read Cameron's script, and that scene is in there.

There was a lot of icky and gross stuff in his script that was sort of bizarre. It was like Spider-Man meets David Cronenberg.

I recall David Koepp's first draft has a similar gag as well.

I think someone did a comparison of Cameron's script to the final first movie on here. Basically, it equated Cameron's script and Peter's transformation to puberty. Raimi's film was equated to maturing from a teenager into an adult.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I've read Cameron's script, and that scene is in there.

There was a lot of icky and gross stuff in his script that was sort of bizarre. It was like Spider-Man meets David Cronenberg.

I recall David Koepp's first draft has a similar gag as well.

I think someone did a comparison of Cameron's script to the final first movie on here. Basically, it equated Cameron's script and Peter's transformation to puberty. Raimi's film was equated to maturing from a teenager into an adult.

That make more sense.

 

[TheVileOne]

I found it for you. Here is the proof straight from the source.

http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/s/spider-man-scriptment.html

Spoiler

THE NEXT DAY. Tight on Peter as he wakes up. He opens

his eyes cautiously. Not knowing what to expect. PULL

BACK to reveal that he is still in bed. All is normal.

He breaths a sigh of relief. In fact... he feels pretty

good. Lots of energy. He pulls back the covers and...



Something is causing the sheet to stick to him. He lifts

it, revealing a sticky, white mass completely covering

him, gluing him to his bedding. It is some silky

substance webbing him into the covers. He cries out in

dismay... struggling to free himself from the gluey

strands. Where did it come from? He notices his

wrists...

That's not even subtext. The analogy is pretty blatant.

The debate is over, let it be put to rest. Let the record state I won.

 

[The Slang]

It's been years since I read it, but I'm pretty sure that Cameron does suggest in the script that Parker's transformation is analogous to puberty. And the scene where he wakes up in bed covered in goo... I mean come on. If you don't see it that's fine, but I sure as hell saw it and I wasn't the only one. If you're so certain that Cameron's script DIDN'T intend this then you prove it.

 

[TheVileOne]

He obviously intended it.

Cameron might be a genius, but yeah, I'm glad Raimi did Spider-Man instead of him. Cameron's film might have looked technically better...but seriously, there is some real WTF **** in his script.

 

[The Slang]

I liked how Spider-man webbed Mary Jane to a bridge and ****ed her without even revealing his identity. He also called Electro a mother ****er.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

also, organically produced webbing would take away from the scientific genius aspect of Parker.... again! There is no need to dumb him down again after him being already played by a kid who looked to dumb to spell the alphabet in the previous two movies

Why? There are several ways to show his intelligence, not just the creating of the web shooters.

okay, I get that. but spiders don't shoot webs out of their wrists. that is not the way it works. so if he would get the 'main ability' from a spider he should be swinging upside down

It doesn't matter, by being bitten by the genetically engineered he would acquire web glands where its more appropiate for him to use them. You get so technical about it but I don't see you complaining about Spidey being able to crawl walls despite Peter not having 8 limbs and spiders not having actual fingers.

 

[fixxxer]

I've read Cameron's script, and that scene is in there.

There was a lot of icky and gross stuff in his script that was sort of bizarre. It was like Spider-Man meets David Cronenberg.

I recall David Koepp's first draft has a similar gag as well.

I think someone did a comparison of Cameron's script to the final first movie on here. Basically, it equated Cameron's script and Peter's transformation to puberty. Raimi's film was equated to maturing from a teenager into an adult.

I wasn't, until a few minutes ago, even aware of Cameron's involvement with any superhero property outside of Aquaman, Arnold and Katheryn Bigelow.

So yea, even going purely off of the Raimi film, the puberty metaphor was pretty blatant.

In any case, we've all spent way too much time on this triviality, so long-story-short, suffice-to-say and all that jazz... mechanical web shooters are the way to go.

 

[TheVileOne]

You don't remember the ye olden days of the Hype and the Spider-Man Hype. The wars, the WARS over organics vs. mech.

Lives were lost. Friendships were broken. It was horrendous.

 

[The Slang]

Why? There are several ways to show his intelligence, not just the creating of the web shooters.

It doesn't matter, by being bitten by the genetically engineered he would acquire web glands where its more appropiate for him to use them. You get so technical about it but I don't see you complaining about Spidey being able to crawl walls despite Peter not having 8 limbs and spiders not having actual fingers.

No he wouldn't. As I said before, you're confusing what is logical for what is convenient. For his body to make that sort of adaption it would require an intelligence with foresight to determine that the wrists are 'better' positions for the web shooters. But the body doesn't have intelligence in that sense, and so it can not not make decisions like that in regard to design.

 

[TheVileOne]

Who cares?

 

[The Slang]

The people having the conversation obviously. But I don't see why we're pretending that these matters have no basis in actual science. We've already incorporated the spiders silk producing gene into mammals. Realistically Parker should generate web from his nipples.

 

[TheVileOne]

It's a silly conversation. Audience members are not concerned about the scientific possibility that Spider-Man's webbing should come out of his rear. They want to see him swing webs.

 

[The Slang]

It's a silly conversation. Audience members are not concerned about the scientific possibility that Spider-Man's webbing should come out of his rear. They want to see him swing webs.

Then he should have mechanical web shooters as his creator intended.

 

[fixxxer]

You don't remember the ye olden days of the Hype and the Spider-Man Hype. The wars, the WARS over organics vs. mech.

Lives were lost. Friendships were broken. It was horrendous.

Hehe. Nope... you have a good decade on me in the Hype. But I can imagine. Gods, can I imagine! *shudders*