Homecoming Organics or Web-Shooters?

[UltimateWebhead]

MCU already has a smart inventor (Stark), brilliant scientist (Banner), and soon will have an intelligent leader (T'Challa). I don't think having a nerd like Parker who can create webshooter will be such a big deal. He will fit neatly with all the smartest people in the room.

I think people often underestimate the brilliance of Peter Parker. He may be a kid but his intelligence was always something that others took notice of, even Reed Richards, supposedly the smartest man in Marvel commented on Peter at one point. He said that Peter's smarts reminded him of himself at a younger age.

Just because we already have some intelligent guys in the group doesn't mean I think they should skip over Peter as just being some nerd who can create webshooters. I hope they delve into his science whiz a lot more in these upcoming films.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Like this?

Spoiler

I haven't seen that one but yeah

 

[BrollySupersj]

I'd like for organics to come back. I prefer em.

 

[warhorse78]

Organics. The mechanical web shooting was another feature that turned me off of TASM. Mechanical shooters are stupid to me. I liked how the Raimi one was set up, he gets bit by a radioactive spider, gets the powers through that, and voila, Spider-Man. And no, I never read the comics nor do I care what happened in them.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Neither,just give him a spider-bike that can drive on walls,and jump rooftops.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Organics. The mechanical web shooting was another feature that turned me off of TASM. Mechanical shooters are stupid to me. I liked how the Raimi one was set up, he gets bit by a radioactive spider, gets the powers through that, and voila, Spider-Man. And no, I never read the comics nor do I care what happened in them.

What's stupid about mechanical webshooters and synthetic webbing?

They're actually ingenious concepts that are iconic and memorable like Cap's shield or Wolverine's adamantium claws.

What's iconic or memorable about a boy who shoots webs because he was bit by a spider? It's boring and lazy and anyone could've came up with it, even a child.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

Neither,just give him a spider-bike that can drive on walls,and jump rooftops.

how about that rocket racer board that could climb walls


lol

 

[kedrell]

Organics should never come up again, I would think. Keep'em in the Raimiverse where they belong.

Mechs all the way.

 

[Daedalus]

Mechs. Organics were another creative choice of Raimi`s that puzzle me to this day. As kredell said, they are better off never touched upon again.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Organics, even Stan Lee loved them and originally planned to use them as well.

Mechanical webs a usually loved by comic purists for no other reason than because they're from the comics but I don't like them, it puts Peter on an insane disadvantage if he runs out of webs which of course never happens unless its convenient to the script.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

But Stan Lee had the power to have Spider-man grow holes in his arms and start shooting smelly bio-webs and he didn't do it.

Probably because it wasn't worth the trouble.

Old Stan Lee invented mechs, the Hulk, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, X-men, etc.

New Stan Lee made Stripella.

So...

 

[Johnny-Oh]

But Stan Lee had the power to have Spider-man grow holes in his arms and start shooting smelly bio-webs and he didn't do it.

Probably because it wasn't worth the trouble.

Old Stan Lee invented mechs, the Hulk, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, X-men, etc.

New Stan Lee made Stripella.

So...

He explained why he originally didn't use organic webs, it was simply because he thought people would find it hard to believe, that's it! He loved organic webs in Raimi's trilogy so I take his opinion over yours.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

 

[Shikamaru]

Stan has never said such thing.

To my knowledge, this is the only thing Stan's ever said about the organic webbing.

"The one thing I liked about Peter's web-shooters was the fact that they made him more vulnerable,""At any crucial moment he could run out of web fluid and be forced to rely on his wits."

"The organic webs which Sam Raimi gave him -- and which Jim Cameron also would have given him had he directed the first Spidey film -- certainly worked beautifully in the movie, and perhaps allowed for better special effects than my idea of limited webbing might have done."

In other words:
1. His love for webshooters are based on story-related reasons.
2. His love for organics are based on effect-related reasons.

Regarding the second point, I would argue we now know webshooters wouldn't affect the film in any negative way. Webshooters were never a major criticism about the Webb films in the first place. In fact, there were far more criticisms over the idea of Peter not creating the webbing himself.

But ultimately, Stan chose to go with the webshooters after considering both options, and it was the right choice IMO. And even if he didn't, his opinion isn't law. He's laid the foundation, but he's not the end-all-be-all of these characters who have had hundreds of writers that have contributed to their evolution over time. In the case of certain characters like Daredevil and the X-Men, they didn't truly become who they are today until the mid-late 70's.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

He explained why he originally didn't use organic webs, it was simply because he thought people would find it hard to believe, that's it! He loved organic webs in Raimi's trilogy so I take his opinion over yours.

Uh oh, we got a Stripella fan.

Stan Lee says alot of things.

He said his favorite DC character is Lobo.

Does that mean Lobo is a better character than Joker, Superman, or Batman?

Probably not.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Uh oh, we got a Stripella fan.

Stan Lee says alot of things.

He said his favorite DC character is Lobo.

Does that mean Lobo is a better character than Joker, Superman, or Batman?

Probably not.

He also created Spider-Man, I guess that doesn't mean anything to you.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

He also created Spider-Man, I guess that doesn't mean anything to you.

1) He created Spider-man with webshooters and synthetic webbing.

2) Another poster already established that Stan Lee doesn't prefer organics over mechs story-wise so you're really blowing hot air at this point.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Stan has never said such thing.

To my knowledge, this is the only thing Stan's ever said about the organic webbing.



In other words:
1. His love for webshooters are based on story-related reasons.
2. His love for organics are based on effect-related reasons.

Regarding the second point, I would argue we now know webshooters wouldn't affect the film in any negative way. Webshooters were never a major criticism about the Webb films in the first place. In fact, there were far more criticisms over the idea of Peter not creating the webbing himself.

But ultimately, Stan chose to go with the webshooters after considering both options, and it was the right choice IMO. And even if he didn't, his opinion isn't law. He's laid the foundation, but he's not the end-all-be-all of these characters who have had hundreds of writers that have contributed to their evolution over time. In the case of certain characters like Daredevil and the X-Men, they didn't truly become who they are today until the mid-late 70's.

He did say it, I remember watching an interview or something a while ago and he said he didn't think people would buy that Spidey could create his own webs but he loved the organic web in the Raimi films. I don't think he ever said that he prefers organic webs nor did I intended to say that.

Web shooters are not a major criticism 'cause they're never brought up, and when they are it becomes extremely convenient like the fact that only one of his shooters was ruined by Electro instead of both in which case...he would have died!

"and if he didn't his opinion isn't law" then why insisting on web shooters so much in the first place? Just because that's how its in the comics isn't enough and you just said so.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

1) He created Spider-man with webshooters and synthetic webbing.

2) Another poster already established that Stan Lee doesn't prefer organics over mechs story-wise so you're really blowing hot air at this point.

Yes but he isn't againsts the idea of organic webs like you are.

I never said he prefers organic over mechanical, stop taking **** out of context.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I haven't seen that one but yeah

It's from Marvel Knights v1, after Mark Millar's 12 issues.

 

[HanShotFirst]

Webshooters that use webfluid that Peter makes himself. Not stuff he buys in bulk and could easily be used to track him down.

This. Just stick to the source material as close a possible.

 

[Shikamaru]

He did say it, I remember watching an interview or something a while ago and he said he didn't think people would buy that Spidey could create his own webs but he loved the organic web in the Raimi films. I don't think he ever said that he prefers organic webs nor did I intended to say that.

Web shooters are not a major criticism 'cause they're never brought up, and when they are it becomes extremely convenient like the fact that only one of his shooters was ruined by Electro instead of both in which case...he would have died!

"and if he didn't his opinion isn't law" then why insisting on web shooters so much in the first place? Just because that's how its in the comics isn't enough and you just said so.

There's no evidence he would have gone the organic direction otherwise. None of what you brought up suggests that. If it's meant to, then it's too vague.

I don't insist on webshooters because that's how it is is in the comics. I insist because I think it allows for more creative freedom and make more sense. I already explained why I think that's the case (see post #61 on page 3).

 

[Johnny-Oh]

There's no evidence he would have gone the organic direction otherwise. None of what you brought up suggests that. If it's meant to, then it's too vague.

I don't insist on webshooters because that's how it is is in the comics. I insist because I think it allows for more creative freedom and make more sense. I already explained why I think that's the case (see post #61 on page 3).

No not necessarly but it does suggest that he wasn't against that idea which is my main point.

I read your post but I fail to see what variety of attacks he can do with web shooters, I didn't saw any of that in either of the TV shows or the TASM films.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

I voted organic because I've always felt like that change from the original trilogy is one of the best deviations from source material on film, in my opinion. I just never understood, since I was a kid, if Spider-Man does whatever a spider can, why can't he make his own webs?

And it always has that risk of falling in line with a trope in media that always bugged me: the hero running out of ammo when he gets to the climax, even though he seemed to have an endless amount 99% of the time. "Oh no, I've been shooting endless rounds this whole time, but now that I'm at the about to fight the most important villain, NOW I'm out! How suspenseful this is!"

Plus, The Amazing Spider-Man movies did an extra bad job handling the web shooters, in my opinion, when they showed that Peter gets the material from Oscorp...the bad guys who were inexplicably behind everything. Wouldn't they be able to figure out that all those webs from the city are from their stuff? And from there, look for who keeps ordering that **** in bulk in New York like they're shopping at Costco?

I completely agree with you

 

[LizardMan07]

I can't get my head around Jesus style holes in the wrists that allow web to travel through his veins, he's basically hanging from his veins, gross.

Mechanical is the way to go but as DDS said it has to be handled well.