Apocalypse Oscar Isaac IS Apocalypse - Part 1

[xrs13]

Please you are left that way after every single CBM. We as fans always want more and there are rarely times we don't. X2, Spiderman 2, CATWS and the Dark Knight are potentially the only four that people seem to be unanimous that there weren't many changes needed or wanted.

The X-Films have always been set with the tone they have and it wouldn't make sense to just have all these fantastical elements in it now just because other franchises are doing so. The X-Films have to build into it gradually which is something that is happening. Now the rate in which that happens is fair enough to discuss but you are being narrow minded to think that all CBM's should just adopt the Marvel strategy immediately because that's the style you particularly like.

I like the marvel films and I like the X-men films and I like the DC films. I like them all because they are so different. The X-Men fit into a gritty realistic world far more than the other franchises because they deal with that side of human nature. Back in 2000 when the first X-Men film came out, it was a deliberate choice to go black costumed. That choice meant that films like the avengers could even happen and it gets my goat when people seem to forget that. Do you think we would even be in a position where these costumes are an option now if it wasn't for those films making superheros respectable again?

My whole Thesis was on the adaptation of superhero films and how they are managing to keep going and one of the main reasons that it seems all producers of these films have latched on to is that they HAVE to be different because if not it would go stale. We need the dark Batman films, we need the lighter Avengers films, and we need the middle ground of the X-Men films.

Imagine if Thanos Appeared in the X-Men film suddenly now in his huge look and all that shabang. He would look out of place because Marvel have built their universe in a way to allow him to look that way. And I do also wish to point out that X2 composed of two X-Men comics stories and DOFP was in Lauren Shuler Donners head for years before it was made.

And if I hear the term "comic accurate" once more about X-Men films as if they are far less to any other CBM I will blow a gasket. It has been proven many times by many people that it is simply not true.

The looks of the characters are one thing that some of us may agree or disagree on, the same as with any other franchise... but saying the franchise isn't as good as the others is just stupid when you consider the amount of successes and failures.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I'd love to see Jean Grey be the one to take him down! Or a joint effort between her, Storm and Cyclops.

I'd love it if Jean is the last standing and looks to her friends lying around her and the Phoneix bursts forth.

I like the marvel films and I like the X-men films and I like the DC films. I like them all because they are so different.

Exactly. Variety is key. I don't get why people want all franhsies to be the same.

Back in 2000 when the first X-Men film came out, it was a deliberate choice to go black costumed. That choice meant that films like the avengers could even happen and it gets my goat when people seem to forget that. Do you think we would even be in a position where these costumes are an option now if it wasn't for those films making superheros respectable again?

We need the dark Batman films, we need the lighter Avengers films, and we need the middle ground of the X-Men films

Bingo

 

[Sithborg]

That's all it really is you know....
I mean why not?...the technology is finally there to bring these characters to full life on the big screen the way so many have been waiting for. Marvel gets it. WB/DC looks like they get it now. But not the X-franchise. God forbid the X-franchise give us a comic accurate X-men. The world would end as we know it don't you know.

It all comes across as Singer and co. being obtuse honestly. We already know he never really wanted to follow the comics and the only reason we're seeing anything closer to the comics in the X-franchise is because of the ridiculous success of the MCU. I suspect Singer is begrudgingly leaning closer to the comics.

I think the whole "serious, realistic, gritty" take are really nothing more than an excuse to use when directors and studios don't know how to handle a property with more fantastic elements. It's easier to play it safe and just fall back on what's easier and more familiar. What they don't understand is the audiences love seeing "the fantastic" on screen. I truly believe that is one of the main reasons Marvel is succeeding beyond anyone else's belief. They dared to believe in their characters and stories (I know, what a concept!) and put them on screen as they were intended in all they're incredible, special fx laden, fantastical glory.

All this time most studios were so afraid and claimed the more fantastical elements simply couldn't be done. Now that Marvel has done it, and is widly successful, everyone wants to poo poo their success and dismiss their films as silly and campy.

Fans keep waiting and expecting the next X-film will be the "one". But it never happens--just teases here and there form the comics to hopefully shut the fans up.

All that said...in the end I have no doubt we will get a quality film, but like all the others, it will leave you unsatisfied, wanting and wishing why didn't they just do xyz? That's become a hallmark of the X-franchise. you're always left unsatisfied and wondering what could've been.

Sad thing is, they've done it so many times stockholm syndrome has clearly set in...and that is truly sad.

In general, X-films have left me more satisified than Marvel's offerings. Different opinions and all that.

 

[BlackFox]

Glad some sense being spoken on this page. X-Men films one the whole are pretty damn well received and loved, much like MCU and DC films. Some may not want to admit it but it is true.

 

[The Infernal]

I could do without a Jean/Pheonix moment where she takes down Apocalypse. I think that could be lame. I don't like the idea that they have to resort to another overpowered individual to take out another. It feels like it would reduce everyone elses to window dressing. I think you have to be careful how you employ the Pheonix because it can easily come off as a cheap get out of jail free card.

 

[ciscostudent561]

Please you are left that way after every single CBM. We as fans always want more and there are rarely times we don't. X2, Spiderman 2, CATWS and the Dark Knight are potentially the only four that people seem to be unanimous that there weren't many changes needed or wanted.

The X-Films have always been set with the tone they have and it wouldn't make sense to just have all these fantastical elements in it now just because other franchises are doing so. The X-Films have to build into it gradually which is something that is happening. Now the rate in which that happens is fair enough to discuss but you are being narrow minded to think that all CBM's should just adopt the Marvel strategy immediately because that's the style you particularly like.

I like the marvel films and I like the X-men films and I like the DC films. I like them all because they are so different. The X-Men fit into a gritty realistic world far more than the other franchises because they deal with that side of human nature. Back in 2000 when the first X-Men film came out, it was a deliberate choice to go black costumed. That choice meant that films like the avengers could even happen and it gets my goat when people seem to forget that. Do you think we would even be in a position where these costumes are an option now if it wasn't for those films making superheros respectable again?

My whole Thesis was on the adaptation of superhero films and how they are managing to keep going and one of the main reasons that it seems all producers of these films have latched on to is that they HAVE to be different because if not it would go stale. We need the dark Batman films, we need the lighter Avengers films, and we need the middle ground of the X-Men films.

Imagine if Thanos Appeared in the X-Men film suddenly now in his huge look and all that shabang. He would look out of place because Marvel have built their universe in a way to allow him to look that way. And I do also wish to point out that X2 composed of two X-Men comics stories and DOFP was in Lauren Shuler Donners head for years before it was made.

And if I hear the term "comic accurate" once more about X-Men films as if they are far less to any other CBM I will blow a gasket. It has been proven many times by many people that it is simply not true.

The looks of the characters are one thing that some of us may agree or disagree on, the same as with any other franchise... but saying the franchise isn't as good as the others is just stupid when you consider the amount of successes and failures.

i still think x2 pheonix death was outta place just sayin

 

[YoungBlood]

I don't want to see X-Men turn into another "comic accurate" but mediocre and forgettable (aka filler) MCU film that's full of winks, cameos, and being too busy setting up other films. If that's what "true fans" want, then I'll just stop watching it and gladly rewatch the old films (including X3 and Origins). Everything does not have to be a light-hearted kids fair (which drove me out of AoU and still makes me on the fence to watch Ant-Man), so I'm glad the X-Men films are what they are and I hope to keep watching them (Just as long as they have people like Singer and Vaughn creating it and keeping people like Kinberg in check).

 

[Kermit_The_Frog]

Please you are left that way after every single CBM. We as fans always want more and there are rarely times we don't. X2, Spiderman 2, CATWS and the Dark Knight are potentially the only four that people seem to be unanimous that there weren't many changes needed or wanted.

The X-Films have always been set with the tone they have and it wouldn't make sense to just have all these fantastical elements in it now just because other franchises are doing so. The X-Films have to build into it gradually which is something that is happening. Now the rate in which that happens is fair enough to discuss but you are being narrow minded to think that all CBM's should just adopt the Marvel strategy immediately because that's the style you particularly like.

I like the marvel films and I like the X-men films and I like the DC films. I like them all because they are so different. The X-Men fit into a gritty realistic world far more than the other franchises because they deal with that side of human nature. Back in 2000 when the first X-Men film came out, it was a deliberate choice to go black costumed. That choice meant that films like the avengers could even happen and it gets my goat when people seem to forget that. Do you think we would even be in a position where these costumes are an option now if it wasn't for those films making superheros respectable again?

My whole Thesis was on the adaptation of superhero films and how they are managing to keep going and one of the main reasons that it seems all producers of these films have latched on to is that they HAVE to be different because if not it would go stale. We need the dark Batman films, we need the lighter Avengers films, and we need the middle ground of the X-Men films.

Imagine if Thanos Appeared in the X-Men film suddenly now in his huge look and all that shabang. He would look out of place because Marvel have built their universe in a way to allow him to look that way. And I do also wish to point out that X2 composed of two X-Men comics stories and DOFP was in Lauren Shuler Donners head for years before it was made.

And if I hear the term "comic accurate" once more about X-Men films as if they are far less to any other CBM I will blow a gasket. It has been proven many times by many people that it is simply not true.

The looks of the characters are one thing that some of us may agree or disagree on, the same as with any other franchise... but saying the franchise isn't as good as the others is just stupid when you consider the amount of successes and failures.

In general, X-films have left me more satisified than Marvel's offerings. Different opinions and all that.

Same here. Like xrs13 said, I like the middle ground that the X-Men films bring in. Not too much in one direction like the MCU, or WB/DC.

I don't want to see X-Men turn into another "comic accurate" but mediocre and forgettable (aka filler) MCU film that's full of winks, cameos, and being too busy setting up other films. If that's what "true fans" want, then I'll just stop watching it and gladly rewatch the old films (including X3 and Origins). Everything does not have to be a light-hearted kids fair (which drove me out of AoU and still makes me on the fence to watch Ant-Man), so I'm glad the X-Men films are what they are and I hope to keep watching them (Just as long as they have people like Singer and Vaughn creating it and keeping people like Kinberg in check).

 

[Flint Marko]

It's been widely accepted for a while now that the X-franchise has always taken creative liberties with the source material, moreso than other franchises, but that isn't inherently a bad thing. They've made four movies that are good to great (X1, X2, FC, and DOFP). Why would anyone "blow a gasket" when someone rightly points out that they don't hold as closely to the comics as other studios?

 

[The Infernal]

I don't know, Flint. It feels like many of the things fans have talked about freely since the first film like deviations from the comics or fans wish lists of what they want to see (characters, costumes etc) as long as they're not outright praise are not welcome anymore. It's always dragged down into a studio war.

 

[xrs13]

It's been widely accepted for a while now that the X-franchise has always taken creative liberties with the source material, moreso than other franchises, but that isn't inherently a bad thing. They've made four movies that are good to great (X1, X2, FC, and DOFP). Why would anyone "blow a gasket" when someone rightly points out that they don't hold as closely to the comics as other studios?

Because they hold as close to the comics as all the other studios. x2 God loves man kills. Dofp Days of future past. The bits that these films don't use from the comics are bits the other franchises do and visa versa. Age of Ultron held nothing from the original comic, IM2 and 3 had nothing to do with the comics. My point is that people seem to base "close to comics" as being costumes and aspects of characters and its far more than that. I would say the X-Men films have always been closer to the comics because they do touch on discrimination which is a key theme for the comic series. The characterisations of these characters is another thing, Storm isn't that greatly developed but I accept her as the character she is because we can still learn about her. She may not be ripped from a page but how many of these characters are. Ultron wasn't created the same as the comics, Iron Man's character wasnt really how it was in the comics and was hugely inspired by RDJ. These arent problems and to me they just seem like new interpretations on characters, no different to a different universe. As I think it was Whedon who once said about how it was the marvel cinematic universe and not the comics.

Like I said, I like all the other cbm franchises but to say they are closer to the comics than the X-Men is just ludicrous.

 

[xrs13]

I don't know, Flint. It feels like many of the things fans have talked about freely since the first film like deviations from the comics or fans wish lists of what they want to see (characters, costumes etc) as long as they're not outright praise are not welcome anymore. It's always dragged down into a studio war.

If people have wishes and dislikes thats fine by me but not when the reasoning is "Because such and such studio does it this way" give a reason why it would make sense for this studio, this franchise. We don't need all the movies to be the same. There is no studio war in this issue. My whole point is that I don't understand why we can't seem to say something like

"I really liked that shot in AOU where they are all leaping forward into that fight. Something like that for the X-Men jumping out of the jet would be awesome"

Rather than

"The X-Men films don't seem to ever get it right, always leaving us wanting more...They may be decent films but the other studios seem to get it and give us it"

That isn't offering anything interesting to talk about, it is just baiting for someone like me who is on the X-Men boards to go.... wait a minute I like these films, tell me how we could figure a way for Apocalypse to have the world destroying power that it seems Thanos is going to have in Infinity war. That is what I mean. Rather than sit in a thread about apocalypse and say how Fox or Singer don't seem to ever understand what we as fans want when a lot of us actually like what they are giving us.

Power to the people who like all CBM'S!!

 

[Flint Marko]

The X-men films have always been closer to the comics? Jesus. I'm not even going to open this can of worms.

 

[xrs13]

The X-men films have always been closer to the comics? Jesus. I'm not even going to open this can of worms.

I didn't mean than other CBM's just to clarify. I just mean than a lot would give credit.

 

[Flint Marko]

I didn't mean than other CBM's just to clarify. I just mean than a lot would give credit.

Ah, understood. Apologies then.
I don't think adherence to the source material is the end all be all, is my main point. As long as the movie evokes the spirit of the source material and honors who the characters are at their core? I'm fine with it. And I think that, even with the numerous changes the X-films take, they largely get that right.

 

[ironman29758]

xrs13 said it perfectly, this has been a planned and steady development, it's always funny seeing fans assume Bryan hate the X-me despite directing not just 1, but 4 and producing First Class.There was no begrudging movement to

I get fans want to see more elements from the comic, every fan want that no matter which comic book movie it is but to say henever really wanted to follow the comics makes no sense to me. X2 and DoFP followed a lot of plot points from 2(Arguably 3 comic arcs) and seems X-Men Apocalypse is using a lot of comic elements to tell it's story like Avengers or Age of Ultron did. While the original X-Men film was telling an original story you could see a lot of comic/92 cartoon elements not just Rogue and Magneto backstory but similar beats, looks, etc(Magneto plot to mutate humans seem extremely similar to the plot he has in comics like X-Men#18 where he utilized Angel's parents DNA in order to create mutants and X-Men#62/63 where Magneto sing his technology to create powerful Mutates out of the Swamp Men inhabitants of the Savage Land. Not to mention the multiple comic cues, trying to bring characters like Beast and the Sentinels in since the first movie. Not every comic book movie has to be like the Marvel Studios movie. It becomes dull if we get the same tone of movie back to back, it's one thing if it takes elements from different comics to tell a comic book movie but to demand it to be exactly like an MS movie, no thanks.

 

[psylockolussus]

Please you are left that way after every single CBM. We as fans always want more and there are rarely times we don't. X2, Spiderman 2, CATWS and the Dark Knight are potentially the only four that people seem to be unanimous that there weren't many changes needed or wanted.

The X-Films have always been set with the tone they have and it wouldn't make sense to just have all these fantastical elements in it now just because other franchises are doing so. The X-Films have to build into it gradually which is something that is happening. Now the rate in which that happens is fair enough to discuss but you are being narrow minded to think that all CBM's should just adopt the Marvel strategy immediately because that's the style you particularly like.

I like the marvel films and I like the X-men films and I like the DC films. I like them all because they are so different. The X-Men fit into a gritty realistic world far more than the other franchises because they deal with that side of human nature. Back in 2000 when the first X-Men film came out, it was a deliberate choice to go black costumed. That choice meant that films like the avengers could even happen and it gets my goat when people seem to forget that. Do you think we would even be in a position where these costumes are an option now if it wasn't for those films making superheros respectable again?

My whole Thesis was on the adaptation of superhero films and how they are managing to keep going and one of the main reasons that it seems all producers of these films have latched on to is that they HAVE to be different because if not it would go stale. We need the dark Batman films, we need the lighter Avengers films, and we need the middle ground of the X-Men films.

Imagine if Thanos Appeared in the X-Men film suddenly now in his huge look and all that shabang. He would look out of place because Marvel have built their universe in a way to allow him to look that way. And I do also wish to point out that X2 composed of two X-Men comics stories and DOFP was in Lauren Shuler Donners head for years before it was made.

And if I hear the term "comic accurate" once more about X-Men films as if they are far less to any other CBM I will blow a gasket. It has been proven many times by many people that it is simply not true.

The looks of the characters are one thing that some of us may agree or disagree on, the same as with any other franchise... but saying the franchise isn't as good as the others is just stupid when you consider the amount of successes and failures.

Well said.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

Which one looks better?
Which one looks more like apocalypse?
Which one puts you in fear?

 

[Sithborg]

Ian McDiarmond makes a good Apocalypse?

 

[En Sabah Nur]

Ian McDiarmond makes a good Apocalypse?

Aesthetically speaking, there is absolutely no difference.

 

[Sithborg]

Yeah, I don't think making Ian McDiarmond look like Apocalypse is making the point you want to make.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

Yeah, I don't think making Ian McDiarmond look like Apocalypse is making the point you want to make.

Then you don't know my point.

 

[scatterax]

Then you don't know my point.

What is it?

 

[Superhero 101]

Please you are left that way after every single CBM. We as fans always want more and there are rarely times we don't. X2, Spiderman 2, CATWS and the Dark Knight are potentially the only four that people seem to be unanimous that there weren't many changes needed or wanted.

The X-Films have always been set with the tone they have and it wouldn't make sense to just have all these fantastical elements in it now just because other franchises are doing so. The X-Films have to build into it gradually which is something that is happening. Now the rate in which that happens is fair enough to discuss but you are being narrow minded to think that all CBM's should just adopt the Marvel strategy immediately because that's the style you particularly like.

I like the marvel films and I like the X-men films and I like the DC films. I like them all because they are so different. The X-Men fit into a gritty realistic world far more than the other franchises because they deal with that side of human nature. Back in 2000 when the first X-Men film came out, it was a deliberate choice to go black costumed. That choice meant that films like the avengers could even happen and it gets my goat when people seem to forget that. Do you think we would even be in a position where these costumes are an option now if it wasn't for those films making superheros respectable again?

My whole Thesis was on the adaptation of superhero films and how they are managing to keep going and one of the main reasons that it seems all producers of these films have latched on to is that they HAVE to be different because if not it would go stale. We need the dark Batman films, we need the lighter Avengers films, and we need the middle ground of the X-Men films.

Imagine if Thanos Appeared in the X-Men film suddenly now in his huge look and all that shabang. He would look out of place because Marvel have built their universe in a way to allow him to look that way. And I do also wish to point out that X2 composed of two X-Men comics stories and DOFP was in Lauren Shuler Donners head for years before it was made.

And if I hear the term "comic accurate" once more about X-Men films as if they are far less to any other CBM I will blow a gasket. It has been proven many times by many people that it is simply not true.

The looks of the characters are one thing that some of us may agree or disagree on, the same as with any other franchise... but saying the franchise isn't as good as the others is just stupid when you consider the amount of successes and failures.

Brilliantly said!!

 

[En Sabah Nur]

What is it?

Sidious looks silly. But looks no different then what is there. Which means whats there is also silly. Furthermore, we could put any of our faces in there and it would look just as close to Apocalypse. So in total...whoever+blue face paint=Singer's version of Apocalypse=