Apocalypse Oscar Isaac IS Apocalypse - Part 1

[Kermit_The_Frog]

Dwayne Johnson for Apocalypse

Brock Lesnar for Apocalypse. It's unacceptable to have anybody else.

 

[kasjan]

Brock Lesnar for Eddie Brock. It's unacceptable to have anybody else.

 

[terry78]

The Rock basically played an Apocalypse type character in Scorpion King.

 

[Sawyer]

I can't take people serious when they say things like that...

It really is upsetting how many of us have come to value height over acting ability.

 

[Mad Ones]

We get Oscar Isaac and people complain because he isn't The Rock. #fans

 

[Sithborg]

Yeah, wrong size and wrong voice. I do hope they don't tinker with this voice too much. I think he could give a great menacing performace, even if he doesn't have a deep bass voice.

 

[BlackFox]

Yeah, wrong size and wrong voice. I do hope they don't tinker with this voice too much. I think he could give a great menacing performace, even if he doesn't have a deep bass voice.

I actually liked his voice in the trailer, doesnt seem like many others did though.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It's hard to believe there is much they can do to his voice in a believable way

 

[psylockolussus]

I actually liked his voice in the trailer, doesnt seem like many others did though.

Yeah his voice is just fine!

 

[Mr. Youtube]

You know what I find hilarious? People moaning for costumes on the X-Men like were in the comics? You get it in Psylocke and suddenly it looks terrible? Why, the main proper reason outside of just stupid excuses is that it looks out of context with the X-Men movies. Apparently Apocalypse looks terrible because it is different? Do you really think your reaction would have been any different if Oscar Isaac was playing an eight foot monster the size of Dwayne Johnson in 1997? No, you would have hated it because it would not work for the context of the film.

Let's face it, as serious as films like Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man were, they were still majorly dependent on comedy. So you tell me, in a universe that is full of camp is it surprising that we got Thanos the way he was? Yeah, you can chalk it up and say that maybe it wasn't because of tone, but rather because of him being an alien. No, it was because it worked because of the tone of the films. Apocalypse being a giant eight foot bodybuilder juiced up steroid mutant will not work in the context of a film like this. There are no aliens in this universe, this universe used to be dystopian Groddamn it!

Sure you can say it looks like Ivan Ooze whoever the **** that is, but you can also try and be positive, right? Remember Quicksilver? Remember Anne Hathaway's Catwoman? Remember Heath Ledger's Joker? Remember Michael Keaton's Batman? Fanboys and fangirls have always been overtly negative, but the internet has taken this to a whole new low. The Undertaker returned in WWE the other day and people live loved it. It was practically the greatest thing ever, him brawling it out with Brock Lesnar. Damn was that good. Then you go on the Internet and you see people trashing Undertaker for acting the way he did, not retiring, interfering in a match, blah, blah. Overall, just being negative with the way the WWE telecast drama, even though it is scripted like Daredevil and meant to be enjoyed in the same respects, was happening. Now that was a vocal minority. It has always been vocal minorities that have been negative.

The Anti-Oriental riots in Canada were started by a negative vocal minority. White Canada Forever was the product of a vocal minority. Yes, negativity existed before, but what happens when you take several vocal minorities and put them together? It isn't a minority anymore, it is a forum on the internet. Can we stop being so negative? You're going to love the movie. Who cares if it isn't set in the MCU? It looks very good, it is well made, has a good director who has proven himself time and time again and is now at the point where he shouldn't need to prove himself to you.

Remember when Oscar Isaac asked the ComicCon 2015 crowd if they thought Apocalypse looked cool? Resounding cheers everywhere, I know. Go online and there's people *****ing about the look. Mind my language and mods I apologize, but this needs to stop. Criticism is not saying it sucks because it doesn't look like it does in the comics. That is your opinion, and one that has, I repeat, been changed over and over again. Criticism is saying that you did not like Isaac's voice because it did not have an Egytpian enough accent to it. Yet his voice was great! Everything about him seemed great and then I go online after ComicCon and there are people complaining.

Yes, 20th Century Fox is making this movie for money. Yet it has been proved that actors tend to listen to directors over than producers, why? They are entertainers who want to entertain you. 20th Century Fox may be putting money into this project for a profit, but I assure you that the cast and crew are doing this for you. If somebody is doing something nice for you, you should really be nice back. I'm appalled at the negativity, just appalled. The vocal minority is always putting their opinion and trying to make it fact. Look, if you don't like the fact that he is like that, fine, just don't go around saying that it will be horrible, terrible just because he isn't a garantuan monster. No, just say you don't like it. Don't bury the film just because it decided to make an aesthetic change. Remember, all of these characters are just lines on paper and are not defined by appearance, but by the action the writer makes them do. If the actions stay true to what Louise Simonson, Chris Claremont and the artists perceived him as doing it doesn't really matter what he looks like if he stays true to the character, right?

I'm not trying to change your minds here, I'm not trying to offend you and I'm sorry and sincerely apologize if I did. All I ask is that instead of bashing the film, everybody simply just acts more positive. Please, we need you to hope again.

Now, with that said, I hope people stay positive like they have so far on Page 3.

 

[MaceB]

You know what I find hilarious? People moaning for costumes on the X-Men like were in the comics? You get it in Psylocke and suddenly it looks terrible? Why, the main proper reason outside of just stupid excuses is that it looks out of context with the X-Men movies. Apparently Apocalypse looks terrible because it is different? Do you really think your reaction would have been any different if Oscar Isaac was playing an eight foot monster the size of Dwayne Johnson in 1997? No, you would have hated it because it would not work for the context of the film.

Apocalypse looks bad because he looks unimposing and silly. Nothing to do with being a comic book literalist... which I hate too by the way. Still, based on what we've seen, Apocalypse looks no more frightening than Magneto, which is problematic.

Let's face it, as serious as films like Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man were, they were still majorly dependent on comedy. So you tell me, in a universe that is full of camp is it surprising that we got Thanos the way he was? Yeah, you can chalk it up and say that maybe it wasn't because of tone, but rather because of him being an alien. No, it was because it worked because of the tone of the films. Apocalypse being a giant eight foot bodybuilder juiced up steroid mutant will not work in the context of a film like this. There are no aliens in this universe, this universe used to be dystopian Groddamn it!

How is having an intimidating, sizable apocalypse go against the universe being dystopian? Wouldn't it make it better? And I'm sorry, but if you're making an apocalypse movie, and the tone of the film is lighthearted, then you're making the wrong movie. Apocalypse, from the very beginning, is an unrelenting murder machine... that's the character.

Sure you can say it looks like Ivan Ooze whoever the **** that is, but you can also try and be positive, right? Remember Quicksilver? Remember Anne Hathaway's Catwoman? Remember Heath Ledger's Joker? Remember Michael Keaton's Batman? Fanboys and fangirls have always been overtly negative, but the internet has taken this to a whole new low.

Why should I act positive about released material that I don't like. Maybe I'll be wrong- I'll say it upfront - but I don't owe Fox my allegiance. I'll say what's on my mind, because this is a discussion forum. Again, maybe I'm wrong and it'll be a big success. If that day comes, I'll own up to being wrong. But until then, I'm under no obligation to look at this through rose colored glasses. I'm giving away my $12 to this movie, not my honest opinion.

Criticism is saying that you did not like Isaac's voice because it did not have an Egytpian enough accent to it. Yet his voice was great! Everything about him seemed great and then I go online after ComicCon and there are people complaining.

You're judging people for having an opinion and then labeling it as fact. But you're doing the same thing. The only difference is that yours is positive while others are negative. Look, I'm sorry that everyone doesn't agree with you, but your rosey opinion is no more accurate than my negative one. They both must stand the test of time, and then we'll see. Don't get angry because others don't like what you do.

The vocal minority is always putting their opinion and trying to make it fact. Look, if you don't like the fact that he is like that, fine, just don't go around saying that it will be horrible, terrible just because he isn't a garantuan monster. No, just say you don't like it. Don't bury the film just because it decided to make an aesthetic change. Remember, all of these characters are just lines on paper and are not defined by appearance, but by the action the writer makes them do. If the actions stay true to what Louise Simonson, Chris Claremont and the artists perceived him as doing it doesn't really matter what he looks like if he stays true to the character, right?

Apocalypse being a gargantuan monster IS staying true to his character though. Humanizing him is running from who he is as a character. And therefore, the fact that he doesn't look intimidating very well might make the movie horrible. I'm all for aesthetic changes in order to fit the cinematic story, but we don't know if that's what this is. It seems like the wrong approach for the scariest, baddest, most vile villain in the X-Men mythos. Maybe there's more to a book than it's cover, but I don't know that yet, and neither do you.

I'm not trying to change your minds here, I'm not trying to offend you and I'm sorry and sincerely apologize if I did. All I ask is that instead of bashing the film, everybody simply just acts more positive. Please, we need you to hope again.

Now, with that said, I hope people stay positive like they have so far on Page 3.

You're asking me to act positive for the sake of acting positive even when I'm faced with material I don't like. That - I won't do. This movie hasn't earned that sort of trust from me yet. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is.

 

[Sithborg]

Apocalypse being a gargantuan monster IS staying true to his character though. Humanizing him is running from who he is as a character. And therefore, the fact that he doesn't look intimidating very well might make the movie horrible. I'm all for aesthetic changes in order to fit the cinematic story, but we don't know if that's what this is. It seems like the wrong approach for the scariest, baddest, most vile villain in the X-Men mythos. Maybe there's more to a book than it's cover, but I don't know that yet, and neither do you.

They are going old school for his characterization. As in, Alliance of Evil and Fall of the Mutants Apocalypse. This is the manipulator and seducer. Not surprisingly, when he was drawn less... nineties.

I'm not really sure where the belief that Apocalypse is the big bad of the X-men. His stories post X-factor have ranged from bad to extremely mediocre. Apocalypse is sadly a character that is tough to do multiple times.

 

[Mr. Youtube]

Apocalypse looks bad because he looks unimposing and silly. Nothing to do with being a comic book literalist... which I hate too by the way. Still, based on what we've seen, Apocalypse looks no more frightening than Magneto, which is problematic.

Great, but you cannot deny that he looks different and creepier. I'm not an expert on Apocalypse, but I can tell you from an objective standpoint that he looks different and gives the perception of potential to be intimidating if need be.

How is having an intimidating, sizable apocalypse go against the universe being dystopian? Wouldn't it make it better? And I'm sorry, but if you're making an apocalypse movie, and the tone of the film is lighthearted, then you're making the wrong movie. Apocalypse, from the very beginning, is an unrelenting murder machine... that's the character.

I think you missed my point here. What I meant by the universe used to be dystopian is the future setting in Days of Future Past, nothing more. However, the Sentinels in that film are by fare different to the Sentinels in the comics. They are jet black, plating and can shapeshift like Mystique. Not like the Sentinels in the Days of Future Past comic because even the fire beam come out of their faces and not their hands. I wasn't promoting making it light hearted or anything, all I was saying is that do you doubt, that no matter how serious The Avengers: Infinity War films will be there will be a considerable amount more comedy compared to X-Men? That it will be lighthearted compared to this film? I've no doubt that had those Marvel films been made in the same vein as these Marvel films, Thanos would look different. Look at Bane, he's much smaller than he is in The Dark Knight Rises. He's a murder machine, but he isn't an eight foot one with Arnold muscles.

Why should I act positive about released material that I don't like. Maybe I'll be wrong- I'll say it upfront - but I don't owe Fox my allegiance. I'll say what's on my mind, because this is a discussion forum. Again, maybe I'm wrong and it'll be a big success. If that day comes, I'll own up to being wrong. But until then, I'm under no obligation to look at this through rose colored glasses. I'm giving away my $12 to this movie, not my honest opinion.

I'm not saying you owe Fox your allegiance. I'm simply saying that it is healthier and more constructive to be more hopeful. Don't act more positive, fine, it is up to you. Do you claim that being negative is more healthy and constructive? If that's what you believe, and I don't mean you personally but I'm addressing a lot of people with this, believe it. It's fine by me, but a good environment is always one where you look forward to what is coming next, not nitpick about how big Apocalypse's head is.

You're judging people for having an opinion and then labeling it as fact. But you're doing the same thing. The only difference is that yours is positive while others are negative. Look, I'm sorry that everyone doesn't agree with you, but your rosey opinion is no more accurate than my negative one. They both must stand the test of time, and then we'll see. Don't get angry because others don't like what you do.

Am I? No, I'm not. Sure, it may not be more accurate, but it sure is more precise. However, that was not my opinion and I apologize for having worded that how I did. No, I meant to convey the feelings that were in that room when Isaac specifically asked people if they thought Apocalypse looked cool. Yeah, people thought it was cool, a majority anyways. Plus, after panel conversations and such that you tend to hear. I apologize I gave you the wrong perception there.

Apocalypse being a gargantuan monster IS staying true to his character though. Humanizing him is running from who he is as a character. And therefore, the fact that he doesn't look intimidating very well might make the movie horrible. I'm all for aesthetic changes in order to fit the cinematic story, but we don't know if that's what this is. It seems like the wrong approach for the scariest, baddest, most vile villain in the X-Men mythos. Maybe there's more to a book than it's cover, but I don't know that yet, and neither do you.

Again, I'm not an Apocalypse expert but I don't believe he was a gargantuan monster in his first appearance but he could transform himself into becoming one or change his fists into hammers. Kind of like Inque from Batman Beyond I believe, not an expert so forgive me. Anyways, what I do remember is that he was pulling strings and was more of a manipulator whose ideals terrified humans but seduced mutants. Also, I'm pretty sure the most vile villain in the X-Men mythos is prejudice. Also, claiming I don't know? Dude, for all you know I could be Josh Trank. You're right, though, I don't know how this movie will turn up, but sticking to the psychology I studied for a while, hope is always best and that's all I'm asking you guys do. Hope for the best, look to the future's features Buzz.

You're asking me to act positive for the sake of acting positive even when I'm faced with material I don't like. That - I won't do. This movie hasn't earned that sort of trust from me yet. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is.

Okay, then don't, I'm only asking. It isn't like I'm coming to your house and beating your dog with a hammer yelling at you to be positive. I'm just asking.

UPDATE:

http://www.therealgentlemenofleisure.com/2013/09/x-amining-x-factor-6.html

Yeah, he does seem slightly larger, but not to the degree we often see him as.

 

[Super Jim]

Look, as great of an actor as Oscar is, was truly hoping for a little bit of Hagred-esque CG to make him look the part.

IF they got the costume right (which they didn't) and they got the size right using CG (Which is doesn't appear they did), I believe he could have been amazing.

Instead of an imposing figure they're going for more of a mental villain, which Apocalypse really isn't. He's always been the "survival of the fittest" type of villain and not the type to have these elaborate plans. That's Mr. Sinister's thing.

What we should be getting is this:

But instead we're getting this:

Not sure who the other guy is, but the point is clear...

The fact that Storm appears taller than Apocalypse is a problem!!!

"And I shall call him, Mini-Apocalypse!"

 

[JP]

Jesus Christ.

 

[Super Jim]

What, so JP you don't want to see Apocalypse as he is in the comics? You wouldn't want to see him as a looming, larger and stronger character than the X-Men?

Look, Apocalypse is one of, if not the most iconic villain (after Mags) for the X-Men. His thing has always been about strength, not cunning. Truth is, IMO, Oscar Isaac would have made an amazing Mr. Sinister. I was holding out some hope for him as Apocalypse, and I still am, but from what I've seen so far I'm a bit disappointed. Maybe that will change, but I thinking it won't.

 

[Broseph44]

You made the mini apocalypse joke already two pages back. We get it you hate it.

 

[Super Jim]

Figured some people missed it and they deserved to see it.

 

[Broseph44]

Aww someone is upset haha. Gotta love the nerd community.

 

[Sithborg]

What, so JP you don't want to see Apocalypse as he is in the comics? You wouldn't want to see him as a looming, larger and stronger character than the X-Men?

Look, Apocalypse is one of, if not the most iconic villain (after Mags) for the X-Men. His thing has always been about strength, not cunning. Truth is, IMO, Oscar Isaac would have made an amazing Mr. Sinister. I was holding out some hope for him as Apocalypse, and I still am, but from what I've seen so far I'm a bit disappointed. Maybe that will change, but I thinking it won't.

This saying that his looks isn't from the comics is really going to bug me for the next year. No, is look isn't the classic look. But a LOT of it is pulled from may favorite look, his Victorian look from the Further Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix and Apocalypse vs Dracula. And look, no lips there either. And yet, they put in clear influences from the classic costume as well. And let's be brutally honest, his comic look won't translate very well to the big screen.

Are we really discounting any possibility of him shifting size in battle? I mean, they are still filming. We won't be seeing anything like that for a very long time. And everything I've seen and heard from Isaac makes me very excited for his performance. Much stronger than any of the actors who would meet the physical requirements some are wanting for the role.

And I laugh that you post an image of the Twelve storyline, and talk about how Apocalypse isn't cunning, more about brute strength. The Twelve storyline was essentially Apocalypse getting all the pieces into the right places at the right times, with the help of Skrulls. The GOOD plots involving Apocalpse usually have involved a deal of cunning and manipulation. As terrible as the Blood of Apocalypse storyline was, it at the very least went back to the manipulation and seducing of his horsmen.

 

[DACrowe]

What, so JP you don't want to see Apocalypse as he is in the comics? You wouldn't want to see him as a looming, larger and stronger character than the X-Men?

Look, Apocalypse is one of, if not the most iconic villain (after Mags) for the X-Men. His thing has always been about strength, not cunning. Truth is, IMO, Oscar Isaac would have made an amazing Mr. Sinister. I was holding out some hope for him as Apocalypse, and I still am, but from what I've seen so far I'm a bit disappointed. Maybe that will change, but I thinking it won't.

Man, I totally get it. You probably were making this exact same argument back in '88 when Michael Keaton was cast as Batman. Where is the height? Where are the muscles?

And we all know how that ended up...

With an amazing and iconic performance.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

Apocalypse looks bad because he looks unimposing and silly. Nothing to do with being a comic book literalist... which I hate too by the way. Still, based on what we've seen, Apocalypse looks no more frightening than Magneto, which is problematic.



How is having an intimidating, sizable apocalypse go against the universe being dystopian? Wouldn't it make it better? And I'm sorry, but if you're making an apocalypse movie, and the tone of the film is lighthearted, then you're making the wrong movie. Apocalypse, from the very beginning, is an unrelenting murder machine... that's the character.



Why should I act positive about released material that I don't like. Maybe I'll be wrong- I'll say it upfront - but I don't owe Fox my allegiance. I'll say what's on my mind, because this is a discussion forum. Again, maybe I'm wrong and it'll be a big success. If that day comes, I'll own up to being wrong. But until then, I'm under no obligation to look at this through rose colored glasses. I'm giving away my $12 to this movie, not my honest opinion.



You're judging people for having an opinion and then labeling it as fact. But you're doing the same thing. The only difference is that yours is positive while others are negative. Look, I'm sorry that everyone doesn't agree with you, but your rosey opinion is no more accurate than my negative one. They both must stand the test of time, and then we'll see. Don't get angry because others don't like what you do.



Apocalypse being a gargantuan monster IS staying true to his character though. Humanizing him is running from who he is as a character. And therefore, the fact that he doesn't look intimidating very well might make the movie horrible. I'm all for aesthetic changes in order to fit the cinematic story, but we don't know if that's what this is. It seems like the wrong approach for the scariest, baddest, most vile villain in the X-Men mythos. Maybe there's more to a book than it's cover, but I don't know that yet, and neither do you.



You're asking me to act positive for the sake of acting positive even when I'm faced with material I don't like. That - I won't do. This movie hasn't earned that sort of trust from me yet. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is.

This

 

[En Sabah Nur]

Just put this together. Something like this would have been cool.

That does look better. Looks closer to Apoc. Just add the dark blue side burn looking things that are on the top of his head and lets see what we got.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

wow so much better. They just need to get the color and head right and the could pull this off as is. The lip accents make him look so much better.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

No these forums aren't pointless. Especially when we have official photos to look at and discuss. But instead of that people rather take time to manip a picture they don't like into something they do. Which is pointless because that won't change how it is in the film.

Because they won't change the film doesn't make them pointless. It gives us something to look at and discuss, just like anything on the forum. I for one love the manips. And it is possible that someone in production will see something somewhere and make a change based on that.