Apocalypse Oscar Isaac IS Apocalypse - Part 1

[Flint Marko]

I would imagine the similar elements of her look that cause people to notice a resemblance to someone else aren't, say, the exact opposite of Emma Watson's, and are actually somewhat similar. Not quite the same scenario in terms of the total design, as I feel I've pointed out with my "exhaustive list".

Were you to be involved in a debate about whether your girlfriend actually really looked like Emma Watson, you'd be reasonable to point out the differences, I would think.



I don't see where they're coming from. I can see how they might be reminded of a colorful villain. I do not see how he resembles Ooze in the least. Not in any objective sense. I find the comparison being made incredibly hyberbolic.

My list of physical differences doesn't discount what they've said. What discounts what they've said is the nature of visual comparison.

I don't see how pointing out that something that has all these differences doesn't actually have much visually in common with something else makes someone a contrarian.



Depends on whether your point is "There are some really vague and basic similarities", and not "That looks like the other thing".

The vague and basic similarities seen between Ooze and Apocalypse also apply to many, many other character designs. Do all those characters inherently look like Ooze and Apocalypse, too?

Look, I found this weird character online. He's got an oddly colored face and he's shades of blue and purple. I think he simultaneously looks like Apocalypse and Ivan Ooze.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/49448/2413657-skeletor.jpg

He looks like Ivan Ooze. Clearly a lot of people agree to the point where google suggests "Ivan Ooze Apocalypse" whenever I searched for just Ivan Ooze, so it's nowhere as ridiculous as you'd describe. In fact, I'd say that you're in the minority on this one.
If you honestly don't see it that's one thing, but to sit here and pick apart every detail to try and "prove" that an observation made online by countless people doesn't carry any water is ridiculous. Clearly your mind is already made up, you truly can't see even for a second how that comparison could be made by countless people even though you acknowledge that there are similarities. I'm done with this line of discussion. This picture does all the talking for me anyways:

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[The Guard]

He looks like Ivan Ooze. Clearly a lot of people agree to the point where google suggests "Ivan Ooze Apocalypse" whenever I searched for just Ivan Ooze, so it's nowhere as ridiculous as you'd describe. In fact, I'd say that you're in the minority on this one.
If you honestly don't see it that's one thing, but to sit here and pick apart every detail to try and "prove" that an observation made online by countless people doesn't carry any water is ridiculous. Clearly your mind is already made up, you truly can't see even for a second how that comparison could be made by countless people even though you acknowledge that there are similarities. I'm done with this line of discussion. This picture does all the talking for me anyways:

Spoiler

So I'm in the minority. So? What, because a bunch of people believe something...an opposing, reasoned viewpoint can't possibly have merit? The majority couldn't possibly just be parroting the latest thing they heard from a group or source online and not put much, if any thought into its validity. That never happens on the internet.

I can see how someone would see Apocalypse, be reminded of the basic idea of a colorful, heavily made up fantasy villain, and get "that's kind of like Ooze". I cannot see how, using any objective analysis, they could actually think Apocalypse and Ooze's designs visually resemble each other in a significant way.

And I've asked people to point out what they're talking about. I, and several others, have point blank said "How, visually, does he resemble Ivan Ooze?" To date, pretty much no one in the "He looks like Ooze" camp has been able to explain this, or bothered to try.

There's been a lot of "This will show what I mean", and then someone posts a picture that, surprise surprise, doesn't really resemble Apocalypse in any distinct or specific way, especially in relation to the many ways they differ in appearance.

I'm fine with opinions, but there are objective facts about the two designs.

People essentially saying "Well, everyone else thinks so and you just don't see it, I don't have time to explain it to you" is no valid method of analysis or supporting of a position that I've ever seen.

It quickly became relativley clear that no one put much thought into the "He looks like Ooze thing", that it's a kneejerk reaction that gained momentum, but it remains a silly, largely baseless comparison that more or less falls apart upon even the slightest analysis of the respective design elements.

 

[Majik1387]

I still don't see how everyone assumes Apocalypse is purple from that pic, but ignore that Psylocke and Storm both have the same shade of pink as their skin tone, and then seriously think that Apocalypse is that purple.

 

[Mulholland-Jr]

As funny as the Ivan Ooze thing is, I don't see it either. It's like saying Beast looks like the Cowardly Lion.

 

[Majik1387]

I see a couple of basic silhouette shapes on the head, and of course the purple hued color, but that's it; nothing worth repeat Ivan Ooze Apocalypse though.

 

[Mulholland-Jr]

Where's this ****ing purple everyone sees? It's like that stupid dress meme.

 

[Majik1387]

It's just the lighting being used...

 

[HauntedKnight]

When people compare him to Ivan Ooze they really mean to say he looks like the drizzling s**ts. Because, well, he does at the moment in my opinion. And he's one of my top 3 villains of all time...

 

[Majik1387]

 

[Sawyer]

When people compare him to Ivan Ooze they really mean to say he looks like the drizzling s**ts. Because, well, he does at the moment in my opinion. And he's one of my top 3 villains of all time...

 

[Frankeh]

At the end of the day it is true that most people are displeased with that "first look", so the best we can hope for is that either subsequent promotional material wins people over, or the film itself does. At least on the portrayal of his character, and the visual effects, maybe not so much the costume.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

So I'm in the minority. So? What, because a bunch of people believe something...an opposing, reasoned viewpoint can't possibly have merit? The majority couldn't possibly just be parroting the latest thing they heard from a group or source online and not put much, if any thought into its validity. That never happens on the internet.

I can see how someone would see Apocalypse, be reminded of the basic idea of a colorful, heavily made up fantasy villain, and get "that's kind of like Ooze". I cannot see how, using any objective analysis, they could actually think Apocalypse and Ooze's designs visually resemble each other in a significant way.

And I've asked people to point out what they're talking about. I, and several others, have point blank said "How, visually, does he resemble Ivan Ooze?" To date, pretty much no one in the "He looks like Ooze" camp has been able to explain this, or bothered to try.

There's been a lot of "This will show what I mean", and then someone posts a picture that, surprise surprise, doesn't really resemble Apocalypse in any distinct or specific way, especially in relation to the many ways they differ in appearance.

I'm fine with opinions, but there are objective facts about the two designs.

People essentially saying "Well, everyone else thinks so and you just don't see it, I don't have time to explain it to you" is no valid method of analysis or supporting of a position that I've ever seen.

It quickly became relativley clear that no one put much thought into the "He looks like Ooze thing", that it's a kneejerk reaction that gained momentum, but it remains a silly, largely baseless comparison that more or less falls apart upon even the slightest analysis of the respective design elements.

Ive decided to indulge you. Ok so the image of Apoc on the left is what we have known. With the way special effects are, it would be rather easy to get him 100% accurate to the picture on the right i.e. Incredible Hulk, Thanos, Spawn, Optimus prime etc etc. Instead we get what we got. Now obviously we know he isn't purple but the purple color doesn't help at all.

So besides the purple color how does he look like Isaac Ooze you ask. Well first off he looks very corny. He doesn't look like part human part machine. He looks like a human being with face paint on, wearing a suit. Now compare that to what we know the real apocalypse looks like, the real Apocalypse looks merged together with his machinery. It all looks apart of him. The Apoc in the movie looks to be wearing something like shoulder pads.

So point one. He looks to be on the same level of corny as the Ivan ooze character. The picture of Apocalypse on the left doesn't have this corniness to it. He looks like he always does. So in this respect Movie Apoc is more similar to Ivan ooze than he is to Classic Apoc.

Next look at the head piece. It is a very similar shape and angle that is shaped in a V over the forhead and then slants over the eyes. They have the same basic shape and angulation. And because it doesn't resemble what Classic Apoc has, which is no helmet, it looks closer to Ivan ooze than it does to classic Apoc.

Now to me the most glaring of features is the pointing piece of the helmet that stretches down the cheek and below the eye of movie Apoc. Ivan ooze also has a piece that stretches down below the eye and down the cheek at pretty much the exact same angle. Classic Apoc has nothing like this so in this instance movie Apoc resembles Ivan ooze more than classic Apoc.

So in closing here is the bottom line. In the face Movie Apoc looks nothing like Classic Apoc or Ivan ooze. But when comparing the prosthetic features of the facial area, there are two distinct features that are shaped very much like Ivan ooze but nothing resembling the shape of Classic Apocalypse. Then the overall corniness of movie Apoc...the fact that he looks like a human being with face paint, wearing shoulder pads, well we also know Ivan ooze looks very corny, and Classic Apoc doesn't look corny or fake at all. If you dont like the look, thats fine, but it doesn't look fake or poorly made. Movie Apoc looks crackerjack, he doesn't look part machine. Classic Apoc looks part machine. When Classic Apoc walks, he sounds like a robot (even though we haven't heard movie Apoc way yet).

So does he look like Ooze...well thats not the most accurate statement, the more accurate statement would be he is shaped like ooze and very much reminds me of ooze. Or he gives off an Ooze vibe with his Ivan Ooze like features. From the neck up he has nothing that looks like classic Apoc but he does have a few features that are Ooze esque. 1 Ooze feature is one to many, if you have 3 ooze features and ) features of classic Apoc, then you look like Ivan ooze. And if your in a purple hue, then you really look like Ivan ooze (without getting to technical). He looks more like Ivan ooze than classic Apoc and that just should't be.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

So I'm in the minority. So? What, because a bunch of people believe something...an opposing, reasoned viewpoint can't possibly have merit? The majority couldn't possibly just be parroting the latest thing they heard from a group or source online and not put much, if any thought into its validity. That never happens on the internet.

I can see how someone would see Apocalypse, be reminded of the basic idea of a colorful, heavily made up fantasy villain, and get "that's kind of like Ooze". I cannot see how, using any objective analysis, they could actually think Apocalypse and Ooze's designs visually resemble each other in a significant way.

And I've asked people to point out what they're talking about. I, and several others, have point blank said "How, visually, does he resemble Ivan Ooze?" To date, pretty much no one in the "He looks like Ooze" camp has been able to explain this, or bothered to try.

There's been a lot of "This will show what I mean", and then someone posts a picture that, surprise surprise, doesn't really resemble Apocalypse in any distinct or specific way, especially in relation to the many ways they differ in appearance.

I'm fine with opinions, but there are objective facts about the two designs.

People essentially saying "Well, everyone else thinks so and you just don't see it, I don't have time to explain it to you" is no valid method of analysis or supporting of a position that I've ever seen.

It quickly became relativley clear that no one put much thought into the "He looks like Ooze thing", that it's a kneejerk reaction that gained momentum, but it remains a silly, largely baseless comparison that more or less falls apart upon even the slightest analysis of the respective design elements.

While I don't entirely share Flint's reasoning, as he appears to posit that popular opinion and fact are one and the same, I do agree that Isaac's Apocalypse -- specifically the picture of him featured in the pages of Entertainment Weekly -- bears some resemblance to this Ivan Ooze character. Said likeness doesn't extend beyond facial characteristics, however.

Here are the commonalities I see between them:

- Isaac's Apocalypse has a dark purplish-blue complexion [in the aforementioned picture from EW]; Ooze is dark and purplish, minus the blue.

- They both share a somewhat beakish/droopy nose.

- There's something a bit similar between the two in the nasolabial fold and jowl area of the face.

- They both have a head piece that covers most of the forehead, features a design that splits down the middle and curves around the cheekbone.

That's about it, really.

 

[Ducard]

He doesn't look like part human part machine. [...] the real Apocalypse looks merged together with his machinery.

I disagree with this point. If we go by the newer picture of Apocalypse, I'd say that's exactly what he looks like; the machinery seems to be merging with his skin.

Btw, I'm surprised this isn't posted more often. There's more detail, and the purple lighting is far less blatant.

 

[glonely79]

I disagree with this point. If we go by the newer picture of Apocalypse, I'd say that's exactly what he looks like; the machinery seems to be merging with his skin.

Btw, I'm surprised this isn't posted more often. There's more detail, and the purple lighting is far less blatant.

Looking this Picture, Apocalipse head Is a mix of cerebros Helmut and magnetos ... still believe that we are going to be surprised and that Is not the final apocalipse figure..

 

[Kermit_The_Frog]

Wasn't there a picture out there without the purple lighting?

 

[GuestStar2004]

Wasn't there a picture out there without the purple lighting?

i think just this

 

[BMM]

Wasn't there a picture out there without the purple lighting?

This one, where Apocalypse actually appears taller than the other characters and the purple lighting is not an issue.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Taller... by like one inch?

 

[EnDz0n3]

I disagree with this point. If we go by the newer picture of Apocalypse, I'd say that's exactly what he looks like; the machinery seems to be merging with his skin.

Plastic-looking machinery, sure

 

[BMM]

Taller... by like one inch?

Taller as in he doesn't look like he's dwarfed by Storm.

Granted, this was always a matter of perspective, but his purple hue was always a matter of onset lighting, and that point doesn't really seem to have sunk in, so I thought it was worth pointing out...

 

[EnDz0n3]

I agree. He looked best in that shot from behind. He also looks buffer.

 

[BMM]

Yep. They probably could have just released that image, in addition to the teaser poster, and saved themselves a world of hurt.

 

[GuestStar2004]

i think apocalypse will be another quicksilver situation where if singer does a good job he will become one of the best villains of the franchise and people will get over his look but if apocalypse isn't done well enough then people will continue to mock it

 

[BoredGuy]

I still continue to mock Gary Glitter-silver :P
his scenes were cool to watch, but he was intolerable and looked like a schmuck