Out of curiosity, is there anyone around here who disliked Michael Keaton's Batman?

[The Joker]

oh please dont give me that old stuid and laughable logic that the spider-man movies are good because of their monstrous success and approval from critics nonsense and stan lee liked them nonsense.The Lizard will be the first one to tell he showed a link years ago that proved Stan Lee hated the idea of them altering spider-mans physiology like they did and did not approve of them doing so.You can also do a google search on cinemescape back then where back then they quoted him that he was not at all pleased with the goblin suit either

LOL!

Is that why he's in the movies,on the DVD extras,and at the premieres saying how much he loves these movies?? Let me guess, he's just a dirty sell out like Bob Kane is

Yeah I'd LOVE to see these links you speak off

again,the same thing applys to spiderman that applys to batman here,without its extreme popularity he has,no way does a movie like spiderman and batman do so well at the box office like it does.to your own logic,the star wars movie-the phantom menace is the best star wars movie ever

Did the critics say Phantom Menace was the best one?? Because I've said to you and LongDong til I'm blue in the face, I'm basing this on box office take AND reviews.

your logic is that the phantom menace is a good movie and better than empire strikes back.touche.

No that's not my logic. So touche to you

 

[WhiteRat]

Once again, that whole kids pestering their parents thing is your own assumption.Nothing more. Same as the kids popping the movie into their VCR. What the heck are you basing this on?? Pure specualtion.

What has Superman got to do with this?? If you're going to compare the movies to other superhero movies, how about we compare the critical and financial success of the Spider-Man movies to Batman Begins??



Another minority opinion. You should start a little club



Ever hear the phrase: fight fire with fire??

What's the matter, does your own medicine taste bitter??

oh please give me a break.its not pure assumption,its safe to say if that went on in my city everywhere I went,it went on around the country.and so is popping the VCR into the box office.You can believe its assumption if you want to but your just living in denial on that obviously.

 

[The Joker]

oh please give me a break.its not pure assumption,its safe to say if that went on in my city everywhere I went,it went on around the country.and so is popping the VCR into the box office.You can believe its assumption if you want to but your just living in denial on that obviously.

You've offered nothing to prove this point.

It's your OPINION. Simple as that. Did you do a door to door research survey with these kids or something??

 

[WhiteRat]

LOL!

Is that why he's in the movies,on the DVD extras,and at the premieres saying how much he loves these movies?? Let me guess, he's just a dirty sell out like Bob Kane is

Yeah I'd LOVE to see these links you speak off



Did the critics say Phantom Menace was the best one?? Because I've said to you and LongDong til I'm blue in the face, I'm basing this on box office take AND reviews.



No that's not my logic. So touche to you

Well I dont have a clue where those links are since "I" wasnt the one that posted them,you got to ask the lizard for them,HE was the one that posted them sometime back not me.oh please,Stan also said in that cinemescape article that he has very little imput on how those movies are made when someone asked him how much input he had so its not like if he wasnt happy with the movie he could do something about it.get real.also as someone mentioned earlier,according to you then,since if your going to believe what Stan Lee says,then to your own logic you have to say that Batman and robin was the best batman movie there was since Bob kane said so. and that since Bob Kane said Kilmer was the best Batman,since you worship what he says you cant get around it that Kilmer was better than Keaton. seriously your logic is as bad as that el payaso's is.Heck I would do the same thing that Stan did when I knew I was going to make tons of money off it and promote it like he did.I mean if you cant beat them and get them to do it the way you want to to,might as well join them and go along with it to make a huge profit out of it and get rich.

 

[WhiteRat]

It's called reality.

Come into it some time when you're finished crying over two of the most successful and loved superhero movies ever.



Hold on I never said Batman Forever was the better film.Batman Returns was far better.

Another reason Forever made more than Returns is because it was way more kiddy oriented.Returns was aimed more towards maturer people than kids.Forever was way more kiddy friendly.

But still not the better movie.

okay I am going to post this for you to show that you are putting words in my mouth saying things I never said which shows like elpayaso,you dont have any credibity in your posts.

 

[The Joker]

Well I dont have a clue where those links are since "I" wasnt the one that posted them

That's what I thought.

you got to ask the lizard for them,HE was the one that posted them sometime back not me

Oh believe me I will.

oh please,Stan also said in that cinemescape article that he has very little imput on how those movies

So what?? Bob Kane and Bill Finger had no input on Batman Begins.

What's your point??

so its not like if he wasnt happy with the movie he could do something about it.get real.

If he was unhappy with what they did to his character, he would not have had any associations with the movie.

But let me guess, you'll accuse Stan of being a dirty sell out like Kane.

also as someone mentioned earlier,according to you then,since if your going to believe what Stan Lee says,then to your own logic you have to say that Batman and robin was the best batman movie there was since Bob kane said so. and that since Bob Kane said Kilmer was the best Batman,since you worship what he says you cant get around it that Kilmer was better than Keaton. seriously your logic is as bad as that el payaso's is.

Not a thing wrong with my logic, and here's why. You're assuming I based my entire arguement on Kane liking Keaton. I added that pic in at the end as a final point that Batman's creator liked Keaton. My arguement is based on financial and critical success of these movies. And general fan love consensus.

If Kane thinks Batman and Robin is the best Batman movie, then that's his opinion. That doesn't change the fact that Batman's creator liked Keaton. And that's what irritates you.

All you and the other two have offered is:

1. A quote from some book
2. Your friends didn't like the movies.
3. An assumption that kids pestered their parents into repeated viewings of the movies [My personal fav ]

That's it. Show me proof that Keaton is widely hated, that movies were a failure, and I'll concede.

 

[The Joker]

okay I am going to post this for you to show that you are putting words in my mouth saying things I never said which shows like elpayaso,you dont have any credibity in your posts.

What words did I put in your mouth??

 

[WhiteRat]

To YOUR logic then if you are going to say that people were willing to fork out their cash again and again for these movies,that it was well loved,then your going to have to admit then that Batman Forever was better than your favorite batman movie Batman Returns then because it made more money at the box office than Returns did.Forever grossed 180 million where Returns only did 160 million.You cant get around on this one my friend. Plus Leonard Martin a very well known critic,ranked Batman Forever as the best Batman movie of the four and that Kilmer was a better Batman than Keaton while you are mentioning critics.just ldo a google search on Malton and Batman movies and you will see that for yourself.

As I just posted for you in that previous post of mine,you said that I said here that I said you liked Batman Forever better than batman returns when all I clearly said here was with your logic you have about movies being really good because of their finiacial success,then if you are going to use that kind of queer logic,then you are going to have to then say that Batman Returns was better than Batman Forever because Batman forever made more money than Batman Returns did.see you keep coming up with this queer theory that a movie is so good because of its finiacial success,well then since a movie is so good because of its finiacial success-according to your logic,then Batman Forever would have to be the better Batman movie over batman Returns then because it made more money at the box office than Returns did.Long dong didnt read my post and think that I said that you said batman returns was better than batman forever was.I wonder why you did? well since logic seems to escape you,there no point in me continuing this discussion with you.

 

[WhiteRat]

What words did I put in your mouth??

In this last post of mine you said that I said that YOU said-this is beginning to sound like a riddle-hee hee,that Batman Forever was better than Batman Returns when I clearly never said that.

 

[The Joker]

As I just posted for you in that previous post of mine,you said that I said here that I said you liked Batman Forever better than batman returns

I never said that.

How can you possibly dictate what I like and dislike?? Show me where I said this.Quote the post.

when all I clearly said here was with your logic you have about movies being really good because of their finiacial success,then if you are going to use that kind of queer logic,then you are going to have to then say that Batman Returns was better than Batman Forever because Batman forever made more money than Batman Returns did.see you keep coming up with this queer theory that a movie is so good because of its finiacial success,well then since a movie is so good because of its finiacial success-according to your logic,then Batman Forever would have to be the better Batman movie over batman Returns then because it made more money at the box office than Returns did.Long dong didnt read my post and think that I said that you said batman returns was better than batman forever was.I wonder why you did?

For the 1259872525689th time, I'm basing this on financial AND critical success. Same as the Spider-Man movies.

UNDERSTAND???

well since logic seems to escape you

The only thing that escapes me here is where you come up with your theories.

there no point in me continuing this discussion with you.

Well there's something we can agree on

 

[LongDong]

Ever hear the phrase: fight fire with fire??

What's the matter, does your own medicine taste bitter??

Fighting fire with fire is a cop out.

I don't get angry or bitter, life is a joke to me, well stuff like this website is anyway.

 

[LongDong]

In this last post of mine you said that I said that YOU said-this is beginning to sound like a riddle-hee hee,that Batman Forever was better than Batman Returns when I clearly never said that.

Forver WAS better than Returns largely due to Keaton and actually seeing Batman fight in a real manner. That fight scene before the safe was awesome! Better than ANY fight in the previous 2 films.

 

[WhiteRat]

That's what I thought.



Oh believe me I will.



So what?? Bob Kane and Bill Finger had no input on Batman Begins.

What's your point??



If he was unhappy with what they did to his character, he would not have had any associations with the movie.

But let me guess, you'll accuse Stan of being a dirty sell out like Kane.



Not a thing wrong with my logic, and here's why. You're assuming I based my entire arguement on Kane liking Keaton. I added that pic in at the end as a final point that Batman's creator liked Keaton. My arguement is based on financial and critical success of these movies. And general fan love consensus.

If Kane thinks Batman and Robin is the best Batman movie, then that's his opinion. That doesn't change the fact that Batman's creator liked Keaton. And that's what irritates you.

All you and the other two have offered is:

1. A quote from some book
2. Your friends didn't like the movies.
3. An assumption that kids pestered their parents into repeated viewings of the movies [My personal fav ]

That's it. Show me proof that Keaton is widely hated, that movies were a failure, and I'll concede.

double post-edit out.

 

[WhiteRat]

That's what I thought.



Oh believe me I will.



So what?? Bob Kane and Bill Finger had no input on Batman Begins.

What's your point??



If he was unhappy with what they did to his character, he would not have had any associations with the movie.

But let me guess, you'll accuse Stan of being a dirty sell out like Kane.



Not a thing wrong with my logic, and here's why. You're assuming I based my entire arguement on Kane liking Keaton. I added that pic in at the end as a final point that Batman's creator liked Keaton. My arguement is based on financial and critical success of these movies. And general fan love consensus.

If Kane thinks Batman and Robin is the best Batman movie, then that's his opinion. That doesn't change the fact that Batman's creator liked Keaton. And that's what irritates you.

All you and the other two have offered is:

1. A quote from some book
2. Your friends didn't like the movies.
3. An assumption that kids pestered their parents into repeated viewings of the movies [My personal fav ]

That's it. Show me proof that Keaton is widely hated, that movies were a failure, and I'll concede.

yeah right,talk about assumptions,thats quite an assumption on YOUR part.Plus Finger and Kane were never around so thats comparing apples and oranges to stan lee.No I just am showing you that you got to take it in with a grain of salt on what Kane and Stan Lee say about the movies because Kane was obviously just trying to promote the movie,he obviously didnt mean it though.Know I keep proving it to you that what kane and stan lee say about thier movies means diddly squat and you keep ignoring facts that thousands hated Keaton is what irritates me,because of that I am going to take a cue from Long dong and ignore you because your obvioulsy impossible to be reasoned with on this matter.again thats just being plain ignorant saying thats an assumption on my part because even a net friend of mine that I know that liked the burton films acknowledged thats a very good point on my part.you just cant deal with the truth that Burtons Batman movies are crap because you like them.HA HA.

 

[The Joker]

yeah right,talk about assumptions,thats quite an assumption on YOUR part.

What is??

plus Finger and Kane were never around so thats comparing apples and oranges to stan lee.

No it's not. Neither creator had input on their character's movies. It's the exact same thing.

No I just am showing you that you got to take it in with a grain of salt what Kane and stan Lee say about the movies because Kane was obviously just trying to promote the movie,he obviously didnt mean it though.

He was OBVIOUSLY doing this?? Weren't you trying to tell me earlier that Kane was knocking Keaton??

How is that a promotion of the movie, if it's true??

Know I keep proving it to you that what kane and stan lee say about thier movies being diddly squat

Where have you proved this??. I'll admit I don't know as much about Kane as I do about Stan, but are you seriously calling Stan Lee a sell out and a liar??

and you keep ignoring facts that thousands hated Keaton it what irritates me

Where are these facts?? I can post links to a bunch of websites filled with positive reviews of these movies.

Can you post some showing all this thousands of hate you keep going on about??

because that I am going to take a cue from Long dong and ignore you because your obvioulsy impossible to be reasoned with.

Translation: I have nothing concrete to offer, therfore I'm going to quit.

 

[WhiteRat]

I never said that.

How can you possibly dictate what I like and dislike?? Show me where I said this.Quote the post.



For the 1259872525689th time, I'm basing this on financial AND critical success. Same as the Spider-Man movies.

UNDERSTAND???



The only thing that escapes me here is where you come up with your theories.



Well there's something we can agree on

Talk about wild theorys,this guy has PLENTY of them to pass on.LOL. Its funny because spiderman and batman 89 only got 3 stars from most critics when were talking about critics,it didnt get 4 stars like superman one and two did from most critics,must have been because they are not awesome movies like Superman one and two were.LOL.Again an argument he lost.He denys the obvious that "I" said he liked Batman Forever better than Batman Batman Returns when I clearly never said that but he clearly DID say that I said that.Obviously he's got no credibility,not worht wasting your time one.Just like payo,he puts words in my mouth I never said and talk about not having any concrete proof to back anything up on,he sure doesnt..

 

[WhiteRat]

Translation: I have nothing concrete to offer, therfore I'm going to quit.

No YOU dont have anything concrete to offer so therefore its time for you to quit.I wont bother answering those questions there because like payaso,everything just goes through one of your ears and out the other.Not going to waste my time on someone like that.

 

[The Joker]

Talk about wild theorys,this guy has PLENTY of them to pass on.LOL.

*Sigh* Same old rants.

Still waiting for you to disprove what I'm saying.

Its funny because spiderman and batman 89 only got 3 stars from most critics when were talking about critics,it didnt get 4 stars like superman one and two did from most critics,must have been because they are not awesome movies like Superman one and two were.LOL.

Batman Begins only got 3 stars as well. Are you knocking that too??

Again an argument he lost.He denys the obvious that "I" said he liked Batman Forever better than Batman Batman Returns when I clearly never said that but he clearly DID say that I said that.Obviously he's got no credibility.Just like payo,he puts words in my mouth I never said.

Mr Parker, you're hardly someone to lecture people on credibilty. I never said YOU said that. Show me where I accused you of that.

 

[The Joker]

No YOU dont have anything concrete to offer so therefore its time for you to quit.

I don't have anything concrete?? Would you like me to post a dozen links to back me up??

Just say the word.

I wont bother answering those questions

Won't or can't??

Not going to waste my time on someone like that.

And yet you keep coming back to respond to me. If you can't accept actual evidence rather than half assed theories, then that's your problem.

But don't try and make out that the people who like Keaton are delusional about his vast popularity.It's everywhere, and I can show it to you.

Can you show me the thousands of hate??

 

[WhiteRat]

*Sigh* Same old rants.

Still waiting for you to disprove what I'm saying.



Batman Begins only got 3 stars as well. Are you knocking that too??



Mr Parker, you're hardly someone to lecture people on credibilty. I never said YOU said that. Show me where I accused you of that.

Im still wating for you to disprove me and you havent.sigh

See I am not the one that goes by what critics say,YOU do.I was only using your critic then because thats what YOU go by. I have got tired of disproving you hear and am tired of doing so.why bother? you never listen to anything me and longdong or mister lennon explain to you.so dont expect me to respond to you next rambling.and I ALREADY showed you WHERE you said that I said you said you liked batman forever and you cant remember it,so that just shows you dont remember anything.yeah Long dong,your right,he is not worth our time with his insane ramblings he has.

 

[LongDong]

He was OBVIOUSLY doing this?? Weren't you trying to tell me earlier that Kane was knocking Keaton??

How is that a promotion of the movie, if it's true??

Dude, he flat out knocked Keaton as not being right for the role, then states how the suit helped transform him into Batman and even PeeWee Herman could have done the same thing as Keaton did. It is pretty obvious he opened his mouth and tore down the secondary star in that movie (Keaton) then went on to make compliments in order to build the movie back up. It really is obvious.

I have nothing concrete to offer, therfore I'm going to quitt

good idea

 

[WhiteRat]

Forver WAS better than Returns largely due to Keaton and actually seeing Batman fight in a real manner. That fight scene before the safe was awesome! Better than ANY fight in the previous 2 films.

Yeah it was.Forever you at least got to see Batman fight and not look like a wuss like he did in the first movie,that was pitiful his poor fighting skills he had in that movie.

 

[The Joker]

Im still wating for you to disprove me and you havent.sigh

Yes I have. Do you want to see the positive fan and critic reviews?? You want to see the vast Keaton love?? I can post the links if you like.

See I am not the one that goes by what critics say,YOU do.I was only using your critic then because thats what YOU go by. I have got tired of disproving you hear and am tired of doing so.why bother?

My god are you not reading my words?? I am going by financial and critical success. And I have offered to show you the huge fan love as well.

Please show me the huge hate you claim there is.

you never listen to anything me and longdong or mister lennon explain to you.so dont expect me to respond to you next rambling.

How can you say that?? I have addressed all your points thoroughly.

Just because you don't agree doesn't mean I'm not listening, or that I'm wrong for that matter. I have offered you actual proof to back up my points.

I wish you'd offer some actual proof for me, other than wild theories and phantom links.

 

[The Joker]

Dude, he flat out knocked Keaton as not being right for the role, then states how the suit helped transform him into Batman and even PeeWee Herman could have done the same thing as Keaton did. It is pretty obvious he opened his mouth and tore down the secondary star in that movie (Keaton) then went on to make compliments in order to build the movie back up. It really is obvious.

Keaton wasn't physically right for Batman. I have never EVER argued that. I told you this earlier.

Short memory haven't you?? But he liked Keaton as Batman when he saw him in the role. He became the Batman with his awesome performance.

Simple as that.

As for that PeeWee Herman comment, I could use that logic with Bale too, since it can supposedly make anyone look good

good idea

Keep the petty sarcasm coming

 

[WhiteRat]

Dude, he flat out knocked Keaton as not being right for the role, then states how the suit helped transform him into Batman and even PeeWee Herman could have done the same thing as Keaton did. It is pretty obvious he opened his mouth and tore down the secondary star in that movie (Keaton) then went on to make compliments in order to build the movie back up. It really is obvious.








good idea

HEH HEH,yeah it is a good idea for him to quit.Really its best not to respond to him anymore,he's living in denial about it all.LOL.Like you said,its obvious that he opened his mouth and tore down the secondary star that even pee wee herman could have done the same thing as Keaton did and then,went on later to make compliments in order to build the movie back up.very obvious.