out run flash

[Stealth_Prime]

Although, you have to admit, Barry-Flash was pretty tight in his own right....but I doubt, he could physically take down such powerhouses like Thor, or Superman. I see Barry-Flash as more of a methodical approach to Speed using his brain mostly and using the environment more, unless you want him to go crazy like SBP, and totally vibrate through everyone and watch them die....(whew, what a storyline that can be).
While Wally was more of the Fighter, given his years of heroics surpasses Barry's. (There are SOME advantages of being sidekicks, you know.)

 

[Stealth_Prime]

i covered this noone listens to me! he lost his powers then with terragan mists can give people powers and essentially duplicate himself by going foward in time, time travel being one of his new powers. he seems to have lost conventional speed though, instead vibrating his molecules for time travel.

Thanks Poker,(see, I listen)
question for clarity:
How can he duplicate himself by going forward in time if he's not a speedster?--unless he's a speedster of a different type. If so, what's the difference?
Does he have the power to teleport to the future at a super-fast accelerated speed? or what?

 

[MyPokerShirt]

Thanks Poker,(see, I listen)
question for clarity:
How can he duplicate himself by going forward in time if he's not a speedster?--unless he's a speedster of a different type. If so, what's the difference?

that question kinda hurts my head. he's not a speedster but imiatates speed now. his power IS going through time, not derived from it like the flash. he vibrates his molecules and gets sent through time

Does he have the power to teleport to the future at a super-fast accelerated speed? or what?

something like that. he can make temporal dupes, use his powers to go somewhere else in the future (as if he's sped there)


best bet for any questions =
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicksilver_(comics)

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Thanks Poker,(see, I listen)
question for clarity:
How can he duplicate himself by going forward in time if he's not a speedster?--unless he's a speedster of a different type. If so, what's the difference?
Does he have the power to teleport to the future at a super-fast accelerated speed? or what?

Technically, if he shifts out of time, it's a belief that he literally removes himself from that frame of time, and outside of time itself.

Another option is that there's a possibility that time is no more than dimensional shift itself, so that it actually remains within itself, and exists all at one continuous time. String theory would then say that he just vibrates to a different atomic frequency, and literally just moves into a new dimension.

 

[Stealth_Prime]

Thanks Poker,
Thanks Mistress---


Vibrating his molecules to travel through time...rather then running hmmm?
Shifting himself to travel through time.
Illusion of speed? But can travel through time.

So isn't he a time traveller now?

Hmmm.....well, with respect to Marvel....

It seems like this is their way of trying to beat the concept of the Flash by making Quicksilver use other venues to give off the illusion of speed.
Flash is the ultimate speedster okay....we all get it....

but Marvel has invested a lot of time, energy and resources to build up Quicksilver--so what do they do? They can't write him off, because he has a loyal fan following now. Next step, empower him.

Sure they have Quicksilver beat Wally (in the Marvel Universe) back when he was a runner. Let me say again....Quicksilver beat Wally ONLY in the Marvel Universe. There are countless of universes out there that Wally has used his speed. So aside from the Marvel Universe, Flash is the winner, where-ever else they race/fight.

Time Travel:
It was Barry Flash who introduced to the world that the Flash can travel through Time (although it was with the help of the time treadmill) and Wally with the help of the Speed Force.
So naturally, Quicksilver can do it on his own...(reaching if you ask me)

Sounds like Marvel trying to start a Speedster war. (I'm joking guys, relax.)

but....despite Quicksilver's evolved abilities.....and the name Quicksilver still attached, and all the history that goes with it....

Its still speed, even if its applied in a different way.
Shifting=Acceleration=Speed=Flash

There is no illusion of speed....the practicality is either: There is or there is not.

So its either, Quicksilver has that power of travelling through time, but lacks his speed, (which would make him something like Access-a human/mutant but can open the fabric of time/dimensions ONLY no other abilities which would be a problem since Quicksilver is equavalent to speed.)

Or he's still the speedster.
Which is it?

Quicksilver is a hero, and a married one with a child. Much with Wally. But Quicksilver was a father first.
And I respect that.

but come on....

ILLUSION of speed??
Vibrating molecules to travel through time.....
What's next?
Bart (Flash IV) Allen vibrates his molecules and he can resurrect everyone who died?

Let's try something....
Everyone, let's try to vibrate our hand. It requires a degree of effort, but we can do it. (of course not like Flash or Quicksilver, but you know what I mean. Just make your wrist tight till it starts shaking, and in your mind, multiply that to Quicksilvers level)
Now can anyone explain if we had Quicksilvers powers how we can steer our hand through time? What more how if its our whole body? How many molecules does the average person have?
And Quicksilver does it. But that's okay...because Jay, Barry, Wally, and BArt do to, but they go through walls and other solid things...they slip through.
Wow, i guess that's the wonder and MARVELS of comic books huh?

Head hurting now, Thanks Marvel.
I just wish, Marvel could have done something better to improve Quicksilver.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

for starters quicksilver is not a hero. he was, but now he's a deranged idiot who thinks he can repower mutants, but it usually goes horribly wrong. and anyway it was slash that said speed can send you through time. i dont care if he used a machine, he started it!! Wait a second, i actually think it was einstein - the faster you go the more time slows down or something. i dunno, but its loosely based on fact - like all science fistion science

 

[Stealth_Prime]

for starters quicksilver is not a hero. he was, but now he's a deranged idiot who thinks he can repower mutants, but it usually goes horribly wrong. and anyway it was slash that said speed can send you through time. i dont care if he used a machine, he started it!! Wait a second, i actually think it was einstein - the faster you go the more time slows down or something. i dunno, but its loosely based on fact - like all science fistion science

How true.....

Thank you for the Marvel education.
Yet another universe to explore.

 

[Cyrusbales]

WHAT??? Thor could easily take flash in a fight or a race, Thor's ahmer can teleport stuff, so he could teleport to the end of the race straight away? Or teleport flash really far away into a black hole or something???

Also, professor X could easily beat flash in a race, just make him think he is running in his mind when he isn't?

Proteus from X-men would win, becasue he can manipulate anything by the power of his mind, or transfer his consciousness into Flash, so flash doesn't exist, only proteus???

Flash is fast though, but can be beaten by anyone of millions who are more intelligent!

 

[roach]

They did just come up with that explanation to keep the Flash from being too powerful in JLA/Avengers. I don't know if there have been other Flash crossovers with the Marvel universe before, but he's visited lots of other dimensions and they've all had a Speed Force. The fact that Marvel lacks one is obviously a plot device to keep him from using his extreme super-speed in the relatively slower (for the most part) Marvel universe.

However, that Thor bit wouldn't work. Thor can survive in space without breathing, so I doubt the Flash vacuuming the air away from him would do much. The Flash could easily kick Thor's ass in other ways with his full Speed Force powers intact, though.

yeah because the search for the items would have been over in a Flash(pun intended) if he had his SF abilities

 

[Tropico]

The way I understand it from the Son of M mini and the recent X-Factor issue...Terrigen Mists not only "re-charge" mutant powers, they magnify them to harmful levels. I share your concerns as of how speed=time travel, Stealth Prime, but since we've seen many speedsters do it as an extreme application of their powers I just let it go at that. It'd make more sense for Pietro to have increased speed beyond what he's had before while lacking control (like what has happened to other ex-mutants) and tearing up the place just from turning around or even moving his arm around. Obviously, this is not the "hook" the writer needed to tell his story and so he came up with an application of speed that seems more like a new power altogether (or a dreaded 2nd mutation ) than ramped up uncontrollable speed.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Need I say it again?

PROTEUS

 

[Tropico]

WHAT??? Thor could easily take flash in a fight or a race, Thor's ahmer can teleport stuff, so he could teleport to the end of the race straight away? Or teleport flash really far away into a black hole or something???

Also, professor X could easily beat flash in a race, just make him think he is running in his mind when he isn't?

Proteus from X-men would win, becasue he can manipulate anything by the power of his mind, or transfer his consciousness into Flash, so flash doesn't exist, only proteus???

Flash is fast though, but can be beaten by anyone of millions who are more intelligent!

The title of the thread is "out run Flash". If someone teleports it isn't running, now, is it? The other ones are also out of context for what the thread calls for. Welcome to the Hype, BTW.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Isn't this like the Rabbit and the Tortoise story? Brains beats the racing ability, and PROTEUS could warp reality so he can run fast and the FLASH can't? So they would still run. It just seems unfair though, PROTEUS is so overpowered he would be able to win any race, as long as his body doesn't decay before the race ends...

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The Tortoise and the Hare story is about perseverence and arrogance. The race itself is secondary to the moral. If the Hare weren't a complete moron, he wouldn't have fallen asleep and let the Tortoise win. How does any of that relate to the fact that teleporting in a footrace is cheating?

 

[Cyrusbales]

Teleporting is cheating, OK. But running faster than the flash isn't? So PROTEUS could simply crippple him with his mind, or use his powers to move faster or make FLASH slower, or just take over FLASH, but would that be a draw or what? Cause FLASH's counsciousness would be gone, but his body wouldn't, but it would be controlled by PROTEUS, hmmm?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Running faster than someone in a race where the point is to run faster than people? No, I'd say that's pretty much the opposite of cheating. That's winning exactly as the rules specify you should. If Proteus can warp reality to make himself faster than the Flash, by all means, that'd make him faster than the Flash. I've never seen him use his powers in that way, but I suppose he could.

 

[Cyrusbales]

What do you think the writers were thinking when they made PROTEUS? He's like the trump card for any battle, he's so over-powered as long as he doesn't transfer into a psychic, it's ridiculous! Although does give some good artwork though...

 

[Harlekin]

What Claremont was thinking when he created Proteus? Probably a great story with great characterization? Proteus really wasn't meant to ever return after that first adventure. It made for some great Colossus angst.

 

[Cyrusbales]

It's not that I don't like PROTEUS, it's just the potential is to scary and big, I think he'd of made a much better villain in X-3 than Phoenix!!! It's just when it comes down to sad people like me on internet forums, he becomes legendarily powerful!

 

[Stealth_Prime]

The way I understand it from the Son of M mini and the recent X-Factor issue...Terrigen Mists not only "re-charge" mutant powers, they magnify them to harmful levels. I share your concerns as of how speed=time travel, Stealth Prime, but since we've seen many speedsters do it as an extreme application of their powers I just let it go at that. It'd make more sense for Pietro to have increased speed beyond what he's had before while lacking control (like what has happened to other ex-mutants) and tearing up the place just from turning around or even moving his arm around. Obviously, this is not the "hook" the writer needed to tell his story and so he came up with an application of speed that seems more like a new power altogether (or a dreaded 2nd mutation ) than ramped up uncontrollable speed.

Thanks Tropico, for the breakdown of the Terrigen Mists. I like your scenerio better....it makes a lot more sense (speed wise)



And heaven forbid, should PROTEUS lose his abilities in the DC Universe. hehehe

 

[Cyrusbales]

Just a thought, but couldn't an alien symbiote graft onto FLASH and control him to win. Or go onto him, then onto someone else and copy FLASH's abilities, like VENOM did with SPIDER-MAN?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

The way I understand it from the Son of M mini and the recent X-Factor issue...Terrigen Mists not only "re-charge" mutant powers, they magnify them to harmful levels. I share your concerns as of how speed=time travel, Stealth Prime, but since we've seen many speedsters do it as an extreme application of their powers I just let it go at that. It'd make more sense for Pietro to have increased speed beyond what he's had before while lacking control (like what has happened to other ex-mutants) and tearing up the place just from turning around or even moving his arm around. Obviously, this is not the "hook" the writer needed to tell his story and so he came up with an application of speed that seems more like a new power altogether (or a dreaded 2nd mutation ) than ramped up uncontrollable speed.

Some of them had their original power levels, but since they're just normal humans who don't have an enhanced family history, their powers became super unstable. x.x

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Just a thought, but couldn't an alien symbiote graft onto FLASH and control him to win. Or go onto him, then onto someone else and copy FLASH's abilities, like VENOM did with SPIDER-MAN?

I wouldn't really call it a win if the symbiote is on the Flash himself. He's basically just riding the Flash to the finish line. None of the speed actually comes from the symbiote.

 

[Tropico]

Some of them had their original power levels, but since they're just normal humans who don't have an enhanced family history, their powers became super unstable. x.x

Some of who and where? I could swear that Pietro has only empowered ex-mutants. And all of them paid the price for it, even if only temporary. Unus was killed because his forcefield became so powerful it didn't even let air get in. Callisto's senses were hightened to the point that they almost drove her insane. There was the guy in X-Factor that used to fly and then when re-powered got flight back but couldn't land and he kept going up; I know it was supposed to be a sad moment, but I found it funny.

The only exception I can remember is Luna. I'm still on the fence on if she had the X-Gene or if it was a mix of her Inhuman/mutant heritage. Am I forgetting some scene with some other ex-mutant or something?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Some of who and where? I could swear that Pietro has only empowered ex-mutants. And all of them paid the price for it, even if only temporary. Unus was killed because his forcefield became so powerful it didn't even let air get in. Callisto's senses were hightened to the point that they almost drove her insane. There was the guy in X-Factor that used to fly and then when re-powered got flight back but couldn't land and he kept going up; I know it was supposed to be a sad moment, but I found it funny.

The only exception I can remember is Luna. I'm still on the fence on if she had the X-Gene or if it was a mix of her Inhuman/mutant heritage. Am I forgetting some scene with some other ex-mutant or something?

He couldn't control it due to instability in his powers. Theoretically, if you can turn on and off a power initially, dealing with more of the same really shouldn't be so difficult. Though I could see Callisto's making her crazaaaay. But I could just be hoping that they'd have no choice but to become more powerful with the Terrigen Mists.