The Dark Knight Rises Paralleles between Nolanverse and Burtonverse

[The Joker]

Wow, I didn't know that.

How could anyone know that? The movie doesn't give any hints at all.

 

[TheVerbos]

Hmm. In thinking about it a little bit, you could walk away with at least two interpretations.

(1) The other man is a random cohort of Napier.

^ That is a legitimate way of looking at it.

(2) If the producer says he's Joe Chill, that also works b/c


1. He doesn't have to be named to be the character.
2. Joe Chill is known for grabbing Martha's necklace. I mean, you think he's going to shoot her, and BAM! there comes JACK from the shadows.

So, I do think (2) is acceptable in light of Uslan's comment, but I feel like (1) is acceptable as well.

I mean, aside from (1), who else would the character be? Plausibly speaking.

 

[GothamAlleys]

Thats the way I take it as well verbos. I mean its kind of like in TDK when you think Maroni will splash Dent's face any second in the courtroom but he doesnt. I say well played. Same with Chill and Napier. he grabs Marthas necklace and the shot comes from someone else. And to that I also say well played

 

[Kent]

Hate to bust up everybody's little fantasy about Christ Nolans "moral" Batman,
but the biggest similarity between the two franchises is that Batman is a VERY prolific murderer. The difference is, Burton's Batman is completely unapologetic. Whereas Nolan's is completely confused. BOTH were MASS murderers.

Keaton blew up a chemical plant with a ton of thugs in it.

Bale blew up a monastery PACKED with ninjas (and possibly prisoners) in it.


Keaton "assisted" in killing the Joker (i.e. the center of the movie).

Bale "assisted" in killing Two-Face (i.e. the center of the movie).


Keaton let somebody die.

Bale let somebody die.



Clooney is the only live action Batman (someone correct me if I'm wrong) NOT to kill ANYONE.

I know I'm late in this, but...

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There's nothing even remotely as bad (morally) as this in the Nolan movies.
A fist fight is turned into murder in a second, and Batman smiles as he does it.

 

[chamber-music]

I don't think Nolans Batman is a Murderer his made it clear in both Batman movies his not a killer and won't kill if anything he might be accused of involuntary manslaughter as his carelessness leads to the death of some characters but his intention is never to murder criminals

 

[El Payaso]

How could anyone know that? The movie doesn't give any hints at all.

And yet sometimes fans know things and details about movies that the movies themselves don't give hints from.

 

[The Joker]

And yet sometimes fans know things and details about movies that the movies themselves don't give hints from.

Well it helps when the producer of the movie flat out tells these incomprehensible details

 

[El Payaso]

Well it helps when the producer of the movie flat out tells these incomprehensible details

It helps fans sure. Now this detail wasn't relevant to any extent for the plot.

 

[Elevator Man]

Actually according to Michael Uslan (producer) it was Chill. They wanted to put him in to ease the comic fans

Uslan's only trying to smooth things out with the purists. I'm sorry that's obviously Bob in that scene. I've always believed that. What gives it away is the "Let's go Jack" line. He said it to Jack again at Axis Chemicals as Jack's about to kill Eckhardt. It makes sense b/c the lines are used during the creation of both Batman and Joker. That's why I always believed it was Bob in that scene. Besides I've never lost sleep that the Joker was the guy that killed Bruce's parents in B89. We still ended up with the same outcome.

I think your forgetting he also learned varous fighting styles including martial arts before he joined the LOS including Japanese Jujitsu.

Bruce beats up various prisoners and when he gets to the league fortress Ras/Ducard and Bruce little fights lines are

I didn't forget that. That scene was sloppily written and poorly choreographed, imo. Ras' saying the different fighting styles Bruce is using as Ras' blocking Bruce's every move. I couldn't tell what those fighting moves were b/c of how poorly choreographed it was. The different fighting styles Bruce was using didn't look that impressive to me in that scene. I don't know if I should blame that on Bale, Pfister, or the editor. I didn't buy it that Bruce knew all the fighting styles Ras was dsecribing to him. Where did Bruce find the time to learn that in the film? He couldn't have learned all that in prison. Are while he was stalking criminals all over the world. Stuff like that needed better execution or explanation. Funny thing about Nolan's BB he explains things that don't need much explaining. But things that needs to be explained he leaves to our imagination. At least to me anyway.

 

[KalMart]

Who's that 'maybe/maybe not Chill' guy listed as in the credits?

 

[munchie64]

I mean, aside from (1), who else would the character be? Plausibly speaking.

Bob?

Who's that 'maybe/maybe not Chill' guy listed as in the credits?

Someone tell us the actors name and we can IMBD

EDIT: The actor is Clyde Gatell and the credits list him as "Other Mugger". Sorry guys, he's a no name.

 

[GothamAlleys]

Who's that 'maybe/maybe not Chill' guy listed as in the credits?

Other Mugger: CLYDE GATELL

 

[TheVerbos]

Bob?



Someone tell us the actors name and we can IMBD

EDIT: The actor is Clyde Gatell and the credits list him as "Other Mugger". Sorry guys, he's a no name.

Eh, he looks nothing like Bob.

 

[KalMart]

Other Mugger: CLYDE GATELL

Ah. Do they distinguish him from the other mugger in the first scene of the film?

 

[Greens]

The producer didn't say the character is named Joe Chill. He says it's a nod to Joe Chill.

 

[miggizle85]

Ah. Do they distinguish him from the other mugger in the first scene of the film?

Which Wait which mugger? The first mugger? Or the other mugger? Or was it a completely different set of muggers?... OR was it a muggle?

 

[KalMart]

Muggae.

 

[El Payaso]

I think the first two muggers in the film have names: Nick and Eddie.

And I thought Jack Napier killing the Waynes was the nod to Joe Chill?

 

[KalMart]

I think the first two muggers in the film have names: Nick and Eddie.

And I thought Jack Napier killing the Waynes was the nod to Joe Chill?

Or just a rewrite.

 

[GothamAlleys]

Other Mugger doesnt refer to the first two crooks, theyre different actors. Its Young Jack napier and Other mugger - which leaves the identity for open interpretations as Uslan said

 

[KalMart]

So are the first two crooks credited as 'crook 1' and 'crook 2' in the cast?

 

[El Payaso]

Or just a rewrite.

No, it's better that way for that movie.

 

[KalMart]

To me, it seems more like a straight rewrite, where Joker is the guy who actually killed them...regardless of who the other guy is....because the story dictates that they're murdered in the streets. It could be a 'nod' to Chill in that those familiar would think the first guy is going to do the deed...like Chill did....and surprise...we rewrote it that it's actually Joker! Either way, it seems more of a plot element than any real significance of acknowledging the name 'Chill' from the comics or what have you. So a nod to the story of them getting killed in an alleyway...which is in the comics like his wearing a Batsuit , etc....but in the comics it's a guy by the name of Joe Chill and here it's the guy who's the Joker.

Honestly, I didn't really like the idea at the time. It was almost 'too convenient', if you will....and the the "I'm going to kill you" by Bats seems not right for the character (along with the machine gunning and missile-ing to death ).

 

[El Payaso]

To me, it seems more like a straight rewrite, where Joker is the guy who actually killed them...regardless of who the other guy is....because the story dictates that they're murdered in the streets. It could be a 'nod' to Chill in that those familiar would think the first guy is going to do the deed...like Chill did....and surprise...we rewrote it that it's actually Joker! Either way, it seems more of a plot element than any real significance of acknowledging the name 'Chill' from the comics or what have you. So a nod to the story of them getting killed in an alleyway...which is in the comics like his wearing a Batsuit , etc....but in the comics it's a guy by the name of Joe Chill and here it's the guy who's the Joker.

Ah yes. In the end, we all know what's the best Joe Chill nod in all the franchise...

"Alright, everyone!... CHILL!"

Honestly, I didn't really like the idea at the time. It was almost 'too convenient', if you will....

Well, that's the kind of thing that happen in movies.

and the the "I'm going to kill you" by Bats seems not right for the character (along with the machine gunning and missile-ing to death ).

Well, the 1939-1940 Batman was like that, machine guns in his plane and all.

 

[Patty]

Batty should go full murderer in this one just cus I'd like to see how Nolan would have batty handle this inner conflict.