Paramount to distribute MARVEL films

[Marz69]

So what happened to Ant man

 

[Chewy]

Yeah, but that's still not being the tail end.

Just saying, this time 2 years ago, we knew who was directing Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk.

True. In fact, exactly two years ago (September 29 2006) was the exact day we got the "Downey is StarK" news. Then again, Thor has an extra two months until July, so everything should be fine time-wise, assuming they've got their script finalized or nearly so.

 

[FaT_tONle]

True. But last time Sony gave a release date for SM4, it was for 2011. I don't expect that to change. DC putting Superman in 2010 would have been wise, but they missed the boat. Props to Marvel for being one step ahead of Sony and DC for now

I wouldn't get too excited... has Marvel completely forgot that Spiderman and TDK are THE staple comic book movie franchises as of now? I mean Sony has Maguire and Raimi pretty much signed... they have announced 2011... and WB is just waiting word on Nolan... Marvel has one decent hit and they bookmark the best summer release dates for 2010/2011? You can't make this stuff up. Hey Marvel has a plan and I give them props for sticking their d*** out there. Will be interesting to see how this plays out that's for sure.

Can you really complain anymore? You're the most annoyingly cynical board member on here.

Are you serious?

By your usual logic, Iron Man should've had it's legs chopped off by Indiana Jones and Narnia. Domestically, Iron Man went on to beat both movies in box office gross.

Um... we aren't talking about Narnia and Indiana... we are talking about SM4 and TDK 2. I have said TIME AND TIME AGAIN... oversaturation in the market is the biggest concern if we are thinking long term here... its going to be a mess if all these movies get made in the near future. That's why I get anal about this stuff... it's a legitimate concern.

Thor is further along that Spider-Man 4 or the Superman reboot. There's no chance those will make 2010. Thor will.

Yeah but we are talking about 2011...

I have no doubt they can make these movies in the alotted time, nor that they can make money in the alotted spots. However I would agree with you, to maximize profits, they should release one a year until 2012, with 2012 maybe being a double up for Cap and the Avengers.

That's why I have been saying Cap and/or Avengers will move. That's why people should take these release dates with a grain of salt.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I wouldn't get too excited... has Marvel completely forgot that Spiderman and TDK are THE staple comic book movie franchises as of now? I mean Sony has Maguire and Raimi pretty much signed... they have announced 2011... and WB is just waiting word on Nolan... Marvel has one decent hit and they bookmark the best summer release dates for 2010/2011? You can't make this stuff up. Hey they have a plan and I give them props... Will be interesting to see how this plays out that's for sure.

I see no reason why Thor, IM2, and Cap don't meet their release dates. No one except Marvel is remotely ready for 2010 (since Sony may go back-to-back on Spidey), and Marvel will have at least 1 2011 IMO, whether it comes out in May or not. Avengers I don't see in 2011, we agree there, but I think Marvel will make their dates close to the plan (maybe not the exact week and such though).

Yeah, but that's still not being the tail end.

Just saying, this time 2 years ago, we knew who was directing Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk.

I mean, we know Thor's been in the script stage for a while, and it had one director, and now it might have a new one. So I hope all the casting decisions could be coming soon.

I mean this is a very ambitious approach to film-making, so to see a cinematic rendition of the Marvel Universe truly unfold would be the most awesome thing to see.

I think casting will start fairly soon, and once that does, this movie will take off.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I see no reason why Thor, IM2, and Cap don't meet their release dates. No one except Marvel is remotely ready for 2010 (since Sony may go back-to-back on Spidey), and Marvel will have at least 1 2011 IMO, whether it comes out in May or not. Avengers I don't see in 2011, we agree there, but I think Marvel will make their dates close to the plan (maybe not the exact week and such though).

I already lost count on how many times we have talked about this... all I can say is let's see how Sony and WB respond... don't expect them to just sit back and let Marvel dictate how the summer seasons go the next three years. These other studios will have a say in this matter... sooner than later.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I already lost count on how many times we have talked about this... all I can say is let's see how Sony and WB respond... don't expect them to just sit back and let Marvel have their way with how the summer seasons go the next three years. These other studios will have a say in this matter... sooner than later.

We have discussed this a lot.

I don't see what Sony or DC can do til 2011. That is when it gets hazy. DC may have GL done by 2010, and that's about it. Sony is making no 2010 claim for SM4, so I don't see Thor or IM2 being slowed down. 2011 it gets messy, which I agree with you on.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Oh and let's not forget... Sony is doing SM5 as well... back to back... that means they are going to want May or July 2012 on top of that... oh yeah and who knows what DC will cook up... Supes reboot, GL, hell even Justice League... anything is fair game... oh and Fox has X-Men property too, and Fox has even talked about rebooting DD because they have not had a summer tentpole since X-Men: LTS and they are desperate for more superhero films (I wonder). It's not just 2011... I am sorry to be so negative about this... but this is what the market has come to.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Oh and let's not forget... Sony is doing SM5 as well... back to back... that means they are going to want May or July 2012 on top of that... oh yeah and who knows what DC will cook up... Supes reboot, GL, hell even Justice League... anything is fair game... oh and Fox has X-Men property too, and they have even talked about rebooting DD because they have not had a hit since X-Men: LTS and they are desperate for more Superhero films (I wonder). It's not just 2011... I am sorry to be so negative about this... but this is what the market has come to.

Oh, it is going to get messy once we get to 2011, and I've been saying perhaps Marvel should try to claim the winter market more starting in 2011. However, while we have many companies trying to make comic movies in the near future, only Marvel seems 2010 ready. And if they score 2 hits in 2010, then I think Cap for 2011 will happen.

FOX with DD won't attack the summer, IMO. If they reboot it, that will probably be a Feb release like the first, which was a success. X-Men is more the worry if FOX tries something for 2011 or beyond. I mentioned SM5 earlier, which is a worry for Avengers IMO. BB3 is a potential problem, granted. Not too afraid of Supes cause the brand is scarred right now (and I'm a Supes fan).

I think after 2010 is when we get the clouded area. You may disagree, but I don't see any of the projects you mentioned being 2010 ready. Other than Thor and IM2, which is Marvel's, and GL or Flash.

 

[Chewy]

Green Lantern could easily be 2010 ready. I doubt WB would want to go against Iron Man 2 or Thor, though, so I could see it being a late June movie.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Green Lantern could easily be 2010 ready. I doubt WB would want to go against Iron Man 2 or Thor, though, so I could see it being a late June movie.

GL is the only one I think can be 2010 ready. I acknowledged it

I just don't think GL will hurt Thor much. Neither are established properties, so more than likely, GL will be slated somewhere between IM2 and Thor, since WB has no basis to say it will be bigger than Thor. No one knows.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Oh, it is going to get messy once we get to 2011, and I've been saying perhaps Marvel should try to claim the winter market more starting in 2011. However, while we have many companies trying to make comic movies in the near future, only Marvel seems 2010 ready. And if they score 2 hits in 2010, then I think Cap for 2011 will happen.

FOX with DD won't attack the summer, IMO. If they reboot it, that will probably be a Feb release like the first, which was a success. X-Men is more the worry if FOX tries something for 2011 or beyond. I mentioned SM5 earlier, which is a worry for Avengers IMO. BB3 is a potential problem, granted. Not too afraid of Supes cause the brand is scarred right now (and I'm a Supes fan).

I think after 2010 is when we get the clouded area. You may disagree, but I don't see any of the projects you mentioned being 2010 ready. Other than Thor and IM2, which is Marvel's, and GL or Flash.

The Dare Devil thing was a joke... just trying to make a point there. Also, Supes and GL aren't a threat and WB can move them to the Spring or Winter... but how about something like X:Men-First Class.. or even X-4. Those are films that are only suitable for summer releases. So we could be looking at the same problem in 2012. I already laid out the solution previously if you remember. Let Sony take May, Cap goes to July 1st (where it belongs), BB3 goes to July 15th. Then stick Avengers right smack in the middle for July 2012. The actors will need a break and production will take time. It's the only way to create flexibility and keep everyone happy.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The Dare Devil thing was a joke... just trying to make a point there. Also, Supes and GL aren't a threat and WB can move them to the Spring or Winter... but how about something like X:Men-First Class.. or even X-4. Those are films that are only suitable for summer releases. So we could be looking at the same problem in 2012. I already laid out the solution previously if you remember. Let Sony take May, Cap goes to July 1st (where it belongs), BB3 goes to July 15th. Then stick Avengers right smack in the middle for July 2012. The actors will need a break and production will take time. It's the only way to create flexibility and keep everyone happy.

Some kind of compromise like this will need to be worked out from 2011 on, we are in agreement there. I think Cap and SM4 can be switched, but this is up to Sony and Marvel to decide. Also, would be nice to know what the plan for BB3 is.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I already lost count on how many times we have talked about this... all I can say is let's see how Sony and WB respond... don't expect them to just sit back and let Marvel dictate how the summer seasons go the next three years.

Agreed. Sony and WB are established studios with THE two biggest comic movies in history. No way are they letting a young, independent studio like Marvel push them around.

 

[co2]

So what happened to Ant man

Marvel came to their senses.

 

[KangConquers]

The Dare Devil thing was a joke... just trying to make a point there. Also, Supes and GL aren't a threat and WB can move them to the Spring or Winter... but how about something like X:Men-First Class.. or even X-4. Those are films that are only suitable for summer releases. So we could be looking at the same problem in 2012. I already laid out the solution previously if you remember. Let Sony take May, Cap goes to July 1st (where it belongs), BB3 goes to July 15th. Then stick Avengers right smack in the middle for July 2012. The actors will need a break and production will take time. It's the only way to create flexibility and keep everyone happy.

So wait...Spider-Man 4 is more of a threat to Cap's legs than BB3? hah. Your plan is still flawed.

Cap can't make it in July. I've told you this before; Cap is much better off in May. MUCH better off. I've already outlined the reasons too.

Cap on May 6th= opening to over 80 million domestic.
Cap on July 1st= less than 50 million opener.

It's a no brainer that you go for the spot with NO competition. Sony would not chose the exact same week as Cap; if Cap draws first blood, then it can turn a profit before Spider-Man can even get out.

Cap on July will be just another movie being released. No one will notice it or care. It will get buried in the middle of a hailstorm of Spider-Mans, Harry Potters, and Batmans. In the July position I can't see it breaking 200 million domestic. If they go May, it can break 300 million.

I don't have ANY problem with delaying cap, but if it's delayed, it needs to be pushed back to May 2012. Not July. If it comes out in July or June it'll bomb like the Incredible Hulk, The Hulk, Fantastic 4: RotSS and other dissapointing comic book bo draws.

 

[Nirvana]

IMO, they should push back the date of the Avengers by a year. It's pivotal to the Marvel Film Universe and they need to have Cap's establish himself first. Not to mention if Sony actually gets Spider-Man 4 out and if Batman 3 comes out, the Avengers could be the film that could fail. They should move the date for Cap's by a month, too.

 

[KangConquers]

Yeah, but that's still not being the tail end.

Just saying, this time 2 years ago, we knew who was directing Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk.

I mean, we know Thor's been in the script stage for a while, and it had one director, and now it might have a new one. So I hope all the casting decisions could be coming soon.

I mean this is a very ambitious approach to film-making, so to see a cinematic rendition of the Marvel Universe truly unfold would be the most awesome thing to see.

All Thor needs is to be shooting by next summer and it'll be fine. The movie can definitely be made by then.

 

[Nirvana]

^ Exactly. It only took Hulk a year to film and it came out just fine.

 

[FaT_tONle]

So wait...Spider-Man 4 is more of a threat to Cap's legs than BB3? hah. Your plan is still flawed.

Cap can't make it in July. I've told you this before; Cap is much better off in May. MUCH better off. I've already outlined the reasons too.

Cap on May 6th= opening to over 80 million domestic.
Cap on July 1st= less than 50 million opener.

It's a no brainer that you go for the spot with NO competition. Sony would not chose the exact same week as Cap; if Cap draws first blood, then it can turn a profit before Spider-Man can even get out.

Cap on July will be just another movie being released. No one will notice it or care. It will get buried in the middle of a hailstorm of Spider-Mans, Harry Potters, and Batmans. In the July position I can't see it breaking 200 million domestic. If they go May, it can break 300 million.

I don't have ANY problem with delaying cap, but if it's delayed, it needs to be pushed back to May 2012. Not July. If it comes out in July or June it'll bomb like the Incredible Hulk.

This just comes down to a misunderstanding between you and me... you see... I am taking into account EVERY variable. You are just assuming Marvel will have the flexibility to put two tentpoles of that calibur in 2012 instead of 2011. But the problem is you have superhero films that could also be released in 2012 that can lead to the same problem. This was my concern all along. You have SM5 and maybe another X-Men film... Marvel is going to have four films in 2012? Three is bad enough...

Now for the last ****ing time... lemme say why SM4 on July 1st makes zero sense.... you are going to put two of the biggest characters in the genre (Batman and Spidey) in pratically the same month two weeks from each other? This would be like putting Iron Man in the Hancock slot for 2008. I am assuming BB3 is 2011 of course so all of this worrying may be for nothing. But here is the deal, those two films will easily be the biggest of the summer... you CAN NOT put them that close to each other. Why does Cap make sense in that slot? ONE: HE AIN'T A FREAKING UNKNOWN. TWO: It is a fitting release date for the character. Three: He is a nice change of pace as that sandwich film. A character like Cap won't get lost in the "just another comic book movie" like TIH... he is a character that many Americans would die to see in theatres. It WORKS... we just have to agree to disagree... WE AGREE TO DISAGREE.

And in their big fancy offices... when the top dogs like Laura Ziskin and Jeff Robinov lean back on their chairs sipping coffee and reading tomorrow's morning papers... when they see Marvel's so called comic book movie slate... they will be LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF... "Marvel Studios??? Bookmarking the best release dates for the summer of 2011 this early? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..." It will make for a good joke down at Sony and WB's penthouses and business suites, I kid you not... the only reason why we haven't heard from those studios about slates and production schedules is because they have about 30 other films to worry about first... Marvel only has to worry about two freaking films a year... give me a break. Look I hope you are right and Marvel doesn't budge... but it's not happening in a million years I'm sorry...

 

[KangConquers]

This just comes down to a misunderstanding between you and me... you see... I am taking into account EVERY variable. You are just assuming Marvel will have the flexibility to put two tentpoles of that calibur in 2012 instead of 2011. But the problem is you have superhero films that could also be released in 2012 that can lead to the same problem. This was my concern all along. You have SM5 and maybe another X-Men film... Marvel is going to have four films in 2012? Three is bad enough...

Now for the last ****ing time... lemme say why SM4 on July 1st makes zero sense.... you are going to put two of the biggest characters in the genre (Batman and Spidey) in pratically the same month two weeks from each other? This would be like putting Iron Man in the Hancock slot for 2008. I am assuming BB3 is 2011 of course so all of this worrying may be for nothing. But here is the deal, those two films will easily be the biggest of the summer... you CAN NOT put them that close to each other. Why does Cap make sense in that slot... ONE: HE AIN'T A FREAKING UNKNOWN. TWO: It is a fitting release date for the character. Three: He is a nice change of pace as that sandwich film. A character like Cap won't get lost in the "just another comic book movie" like TIH... he is a character that many Americans are dying to see in theatres. It WORKS... we just have to agree to disagree... WE AGREE TO DISAGREE.

And in their big fancy offices... when the top dogs like Laura Ziskin and Jeff Robinov lean back on their chairs sipping coffee and reading the tomorrow's morning papers... when they see Marvel's so called comic book movie slate... they will be laughing their ASSES OFF... "Marvel Studios??? Bookmarking the best release dates for the summer of 2011 this early? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..." It will make for a good joke down at Sony and WB's penthouses and business suites, I kid you not... the only reason why we haven't heard from those studios about slates and production schedules is because they have about 30 other films to worry about first... Marvel only has to worry about two freaking films a year... give me a break. Look I hope you are right and Marvel doesn't budge... but it's not happening in a million years I'm sorry...

You are actually missing a lot of angles and making a lot of assumptions.

1) I never said move Spider-Man 4 to July 1. Spider-Man can do just fine in June. Sequels don't have a problem in June.

2) Legs don't mean nearly as much as they used to. The best indicator of how much money your movie is going to make is what it makes the Monday after opening weekend. As I've explained, who's to say that Spider-Man 4 will be the exact same date as Cap? There are 3 or 4 different options in May.

3) Spider-Man 4 would never go head to head with Cap. Yes, SM4 would win, but it would damage both movies. No one wins when you go head to head, so studios tend to avoid it.

4) You say Avengers might bomb, but Cap won't? I think Avengers has a lot more of a chance to stand upto mid-July madness than does Captain America. Captain America's box office situation is precarious. Avengers I can't see making less than 300 million. It's locked. People are going to want that...Captain America though?

This is coming from someone who considers Cap his favorite comic book character, but even I admit, a lot of people don't like Cap. Go on the Watchmen boards, or even the X-Men boards, and ask them if they'll see Captain America. I bet several of them will laugh their asses off at you. Go to a high school and poll; several will say he's a lame goody two shoes.

These are, of course, unfair assessments of the character, but he has that stigma, and thus needs every advantage he can get. and May 6th is the best spot of the summer. If not, go for May 2012, with Iron Man 3 in July, and Avengers in May 2013. I just don't believe when movies by Sony, WB, Pixar, Fox etc are out in July, that Captain America will have a chance of competing.

 

[FaT_tONle]

You are actually missing a lot of angles and making a lot of assumptions.

1) I never said move Spider-Man 4 to July 1. Spider-Man can do just fine in June. Sequels don't have a problem in June.

Yeah and we all know what kind of release date June is... why? Why does a 2.4 billion dollar franchise? A 2.4 BILLION DOLLAR franchise settle for a June release? What logic are you applying there?

2) Legs don't mean nearly as much as they used to. The best indicator of how much money your movie is going to make is what it makes the Monday after opening weekend. As I've explained, who's to say that Spider-Man 4 will be the exact same date as Cap? There are 3 or 4 different options in May.

Exactly why a July 4th release WORKS... I know we "agreed to disagree"... just answer me... can Captain America do Hancock numbers or more at that date? And if so, why wouldn't that be anything less than GREAT for Marvel? Even if they would have made a little more with a different release date. SO Marvel can be greedy and demand the best release dates while Sony can't? Again, I am just not seeing the logic.

3) Spider-Man 4 would never go head to head with Cap. Yes, SM4 would win, but it would damage both movies. No one wins when you go head to head, so studios tend to avoid it.

Hence why both films CAN NOT be released in May.

4) You say Avengers might bomb, but Cap won't? I think Avengers has a lot more of a chance to stand upto mid-July madness than does Captain America. Captain America's box office situation is precarious. Avengers I can't see making less than 300 million. It's locked. People are going to want that...Captain America though?

Who said mid July? WHere are you getting this stuff from? I said July 4th??? Avengers mid July 2012.

This is coming from someone who considers Cap his favorite comic book character, but even I admit, a lot of people don't like Cap. Go on the Watchmen boards, or even the X-Men boards, and ask them if they'll see Captain America. I bet several of them will laugh their asses off at you. Go to a high school and poll; several will say he's a lame goody two shoes.

Please, it's all pop culture... when people see that this character is legit movie material by one trailer or poster they'll be convinced... fan boys know this better than anyone. And it will spread off on general viewers and casual audiences.

These are, of course, unfair assessments of the character, but he has that stigma, and thus needs every advantage he can get. and May 6th is the best spot of the summer. If not, go for May 2012, with Iron Man 3 in July, and Avengers in May 2013. I just don't believe when movies by Sony, WB, Pixar, Fox etc are out in July, that Captain America will have a chance of competing.

Once again... projecting something for May 2012 is foolish... we are throwing out slates left and right but still... we don't know if that date will be there. I think it will but we don't know.

 

[KangConquers]

Yeah and we all know what kind of release date June is... why? Why does a 2.4 billion dollar franchise? A 2.4 BILLION DOLLAR franchise settle for a June release? What logic are you applying there?



Exactly why a July 4th release WORKS... I know we "agreed to disagree"... just answer me... can Captain America do Hancock numbers or more at that date? And if so, why wouldn't that be anything less than GREAT for Marvel? Even if they would have made a little more with a different release date. SO Marvel can be greedy and demand the best release dates while Sony can't? Again, I am just not seeing the logic.



Hence why both films CAN NOT be released in May.



Who said mid July? WHere are you getting this stuff from? I said July 4th??? Avengers mid July 2012.



Please, it's all pop culture... when people see that this character is legit movie material by one trailer or poster they'll be convinced... fan boys know this better than anyone. And it will spread off on general viewers and casual audiences.



Once again... projecting something for May 2012 is foolish... we are throwing out slates left and right but still... we don't know if that date will be there. I think it will but we don't know.

well, a 5 billion dollar franchise in Harry Potter settled for a June release to avoid competition...so I'm sure Spider-Man could settle.

Hancock numbers would be dissapointing. The thing that makes Hancock considered a success is because it's Will Smith and he has a worldwide following; worldwide Hancock made more than Iron Man. Cap is almost entirely dependent on it's domestic returns because a lot of foreigners will just not be interested in a character named captain america.

Not in the same Month? You're mad. Look at Iron Man. It made about 2/3rds of it's gross in it's first 2 weeks. Captain America and Spider-Man can easily coexist within the same month; Cap early in the month, Spider-Man later in the month. So Cap could've made about 220 million dollars domestic before Spider-Man even swings into theatres.

In July it'll make approximately 130 million in it's first two weeks and Batman Begins 3 will stomp it. Batman v 2 #3 as I like to call it, is a more viable, sought movie than Spider-Man 4. Spider-Man 4 is the follow up to a mediocre popcorn flick that despite it's gross, left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. Batman 3 will be the follow upto a film that might win oscars and made even more money than SM-3.

I'm expecting drops in SM4; it will be the first spidey movie to not break 700 million worldwide. Batman 3 will probably do over a billion.

Captain America is much better off going head to head with Spider-Man than head to head with Batman 3. I just can't see how you'd think otherwise.


That being said, I'm glad you're not just putting Cap in July for "LOLZ CAP ON JULY 4TH GET IT? LOL" Like some people do.

 

[FaT_tONle]

well, a 5 billion dollar franchise in Harry Potter settled for a June release to avoid competition...so I'm sure Spider-Man could settle.

When was this? Are we going back to 2004? Or 2007? Order of Pheonix was July. And 2004 was a lot different from the market today... we only had one superhero film a year those days.

Hancock numbers would be dissapointing. The thing that makes Hancock considered a success is because it's Will Smith and he has a worldwide following; worldwide Hancock made more than Iron Man. Cap is almost entirely dependent on it's domestic returns because a lot of foreigners will just not be interested in a character named captain america.

Cap can easily do 250 with or without Will Smith. Hancock had a pretty pedestrian opening compared to what it should have done with the long weekend. Plus it was a bad movie. If you think 250 is bad for Cap then you must be in the WB/Superman Returns camp in that they were expecting Spidey numbers. 250 is a darn good number. As long as it does 150 Int. that's a hit.

Not in the same Month? You're mad. Look at Iron Man. It made about 2/3rds of it's gross in it's first 2 weeks. Captain America and Spider-Man can easily coexist within the same month; Cap early in the month, Spider-Man later in the month. So Cap could've made about 220 million dollars domestic before Spider-Man even swings into theatres.

1st week of May is a decent release date. Problem is Cap will be given the boot if Sony requests May.

In July it'll make approximately 130 million in it's first two weeks and Batman Begins 3 will stomp it. Batman v 2 #3 as I like to call it, is a more viable, sought movie than Spider-Man 4. Spider-Man 4 is the follow up to a mediocre popcorn flick that despite it's gross, left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. Batman 3 will be the follow upto a film that might win oscars and made even more money than SM-3.

We don't know what BB3 will be without Joker. It won't be nearly as big. But we can go back and forth with petty technical details... we can't keep retreading this May vs July 4th... maybe another day. Not today.

I'm expecting drops in SM4; it will be the first spidey movie to not break 700 million worldwide. Batman 3 will probably do over a billion.

No... you can't expect a drop in one and not the other... just because it's the third installment it doesn't mean it will make the most money. Batman does not do well internationally. And if it doesn't have legs it won't get much higher than 300 million. No way they are maintaining a high critical level with the sequel to TDK.

Captain America is much better off going head to head with Spider-Man than head to head with Batman 3. I just can't see how you'd think otherwise.

So it's a good idea for Marvel films to face off if even if there may be leeway around it???

I guess we can do this all night... let's chunk out every summer slate... crack open a list of all May releases vs July 4th releases... let's go weekend by weekend... day by day... bottom line is we have an economy falling apart and we are getting worked up about release dates for 2011? Let's take a step back and see how this plays out. I know I may have jumped the gun a bit... let's just see what Sony does before we get all worked up about this again. They'll have some news for us soon enough.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't see BB3 making 1 billion. They won't have the Jokers and who knows if the movie will be good or even if Nolan comes back at this point (though I think he will). I think BB3 will be big, but not quite make TDK numbers. 900 mil, sure that's possible, but 1 bil I think it out of reach. Batman is bigger when the Joker is in the movie. This is an undeniable fact. No Joker, no billion.

SM4 I'm interested to see what it does. I can see a slight drop or no drop happening. Depends on SM4's quality IMO. I'd be surprised if it didn't cross 700 mil though. Might not cross 800, but I think 700 is quite do able.

And I think it is too early to assume BB3 is 2011. It very well might be, and WB I'm sure will fast track it after TDK and have Nolan get on this yesterday. But, I can see them possibly waiting an extra year also. Really depends on Nolan IMO. Sony and Marvel will discuss May, I am sure. I'd prefer to see Cap there, personally. At least let's all agree through 2010, Marvel is good. We all know 2011 is shakey and many things can happen. I think Cap will be out by 2011 in any case, however. Avengers, no.

 

[The Man of Steel]

why do a Iron Man 3? a year after IM2 we're getting The Avengers, why not just make avengers sequels?