Paramount to distribute MARVEL films

[chiefchirpa]

I am thinking the Avengers will get delayed to 2012. They shouldn't rush the Avengers because it's an Ensemble movie or it will turn out some thing like a Power Rangers flick.

 

[chiefchirpa]

why do a Iron Man 3? a year after IM2 we're getting The Avengers, why not just make avengers sequels?

Avengers sequel need some years to cook.

 

[The Man of Steel]

probably right, it'd need a strong plot, about how many years you think?

 

[chiefchirpa]

2 years at least. Script needs only half a year to make, but director/actors rest need a year.

 

[The Man of Steel]

that'd mean they'd have to immediately start filming IronMan 3 after The Avenger was finished

 

[chiefchirpa]

I don't where they gonna put Iron Man in the schedule but I guess 2011 is the time where they should give extra work for RDJ.

The Avengers really should be made at late 2010, it's just that it will show delayed in 2012.

 

[The Man of Steel]

lol highly probable, but i hope avengers makes it in 2011

 

[Spider-Fan]

Avengers are hard to sequel. How many actors want to play the same character for all those movies, and at the same time the cast gets more and more expensive. I think the only way to do an Avengers trilogy is to either shift the roster around or recast. We'll see how Marvel feels about recasting, but in the case of whoever replaces RDJ as Stark, I don't envy him.

Not to mention, after Avengers, RDJ needs a contract negotiation to do IM3. Also, by the time Avengers 3 comes out, assuming Avengers is out by 2012, it will be 2018 at best. People will be too old to play the current parts. I say, shift the roster around and do indiviual trilogies for each character (assuming their first installment is a hit of course). Use Cap, Thor, IM if you can get the actors to do it, but I think it would be tough.

 

[The Man of Steel]

if they got one avengers film every 2 to 3 years they could get all three out by 2015-2017

 

[Spider-Fan]

if they got one avengers film every 2 to 3 years they could get all three out by 2015-2017

Cast this big will be more around the 3 year wait per movie. Think X-Men. 3 years between each movie. If we assume Avengers for 2012, then A2 would be 2015 and A3 would be 2018. 10 years from now. I know RDJ by this time will be old. Might as well get one good one in. Make IM3, and if you opt not to recast, say he started a West Coast branch of the Avengers (nice little reference to another Avengers title...plus he lives in California), and focus and Cap and co for future movies.

I don't want a massive roster shift in the series personally, but when you live in a world of contracts and the reality of filmmaking, this is what you need to do to keep things moving.

 

[The Man of Steel]

well they've already said avengers is set for 2011

 

[Spider-Fan]

well they've already said avengers is set for 2011

SET for 2011. Key word there. I don't see it making 2011. That would mean shooting right after Cap, and Sony wants SM4 for 2011 also, and BB3 might be in 2011. Those two giants want 2011, they get it. Avengers would have to wait for that reason. Not to mention a bunch of other competitive scenarios they could have.

I think the other movies will make it out in time, but not Avengers. Too big to rush, and too much possibly competition.

 

[The Man of Steel]

i'd be happy enough with just two avengers films and three iron man

 

[Spider-Fan]

i'd be happy enough with just two avengers films and three iron man

As would I. I would also like a Cap trilogy myself, but that would depend on Cap's BO take. I have more confidence in what Cap will do at the BO than most hypsters, so it is possible, But, if Avengers is so big, I can see them ditching future solo Cap films to just keep him in the Avengers series (as the star and main stay of it).

 

[The Man of Steel]

yeah, i would like all the avengers to have at least one spin-off

 

[KangConquers]

My Dream is that marvel make 4 trilogies:

Avengers
Cap
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk.

That should be their focus, not doing Powerpack movies. I want to see Marvel basically occupy themselves with the Avengers for the next 10 years.

 

[[A]]

So what happened to Ant man

He's on probation, because.... oh it's so easy

 

[Sarg92]

I'm glad to see all of this is in action. I know it was under Unversal and not Paramount, but I'd sure like to see an Incredible Hulk sequel, but as it looks, there won't be and Norton probably won't return. That's so disapointing. I wish they had gotten a director on the level of a who Iron Man got and Thor is getting. I'll just cling to him showing up in Avengers.

Louis Leterrier is a very good director, he just isn't the action guy that he is made out to be. Thing is, cos he isn't that much of a big name director yet he is given restriants by studios.

Transporter (Leterrier co-directed it)
Transporter 2 (Leterrier was unwillingly forced to make the film due to some contract clause I think)
Unleashed/Danny The Dog (In my opinion it is Leterrier's best film and is the film where he had full control)
The Incredible Hulk (I think he had some interference from Marvel and Kevin Feige)

Anyway, I think it is good Marvel have Paramount distributing their films cos they did a very good job marketing Iron Man whereas Universal were poor with The Incredible Hulk.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Avengers are hard to sequel. How many actors want to play the same character for all those movies, and at the same time the cast gets more and more expensive. I think the only way to do an Avengers trilogy is to either shift the roster around or recast. We'll see how Marvel feels about recasting, but in the case of whoever replaces RDJ as Stark, I don't envy him.

Not to mention, after Avengers, RDJ needs a contract negotiation to do IM3. Also, by the time Avengers 3 comes out, assuming Avengers is out by 2012, it will be 2018 at best. People will be too old to play the current parts. I say, shift the roster around and do indiviual trilogies for each character (assuming their first installment is a hit of course). Use Cap, Thor, IM if you can get the actors to do it, but I think it would be tough.

You work out a Tobey Maguire type deal with RDJ... 40 plus million two picture deal that includes filming IM3 and Avengers 2 back to back. You don't need Stark to have a huge role in Avengers 2 anyhow... just make him show up in the final battle against a Kang or Ultron or whomever. Lead franchise actors do this all the time when they aren't the featured guys anymore but they show up at the end. It would essentially be like IM/TIH earlier this year with Stark having a much bigger role in TIH. Also release both films in the same year if you can. Good way to send off the character and usher in the young up and comers to be the staple heroes in Avengers 3.

 

[Spider-Fan]

You work out a Tobey Maguire type deal with RDJ... 40 plus million two picture deal that includes filming IM3 and Avengers 2 back to back. You don't need Stark to have a huge role in Avengers 2 anyhow... just make him show up in the final battle against a Kang or Ultron or whomever. Lead franchise actors do this all the time when they aren't the featured guys anymore but they show up at the end. It would essentially be like IM/TIH earlier this year with Stark having a much bigger role in TIH. Also release both films in the same year if you can. Good way to send off the character and usher in the young up and comers to be the staple heroes in Avengers 3.

It's not a bad idea, but it illustrates the problem with maintaining an Avengers franchise as well as other trilogies. When now have 20 mil basically spent on RDJ for A2. If you're simaltaneously trying to make a Cap trilogy, then Cap's actor needs a pay increase, so would Thor, etc. Now, your big 3 consume like 50-60 million dollars just on them alone! Not on any effects, other cast membersm etc. Now, at the end of the day, I think Thor is getting 1 solo film only. Cap can go either way. It is unavoidable for IM at this point (something like that has to be done for A2), but this would mean no IM in A3 more than likely (which I think is realistic).

I want a Cap trilogy myself, but I think Marvel will go either way on this. Thor I don't see being IM big, thus I don't see a trilogy for him (though again, I'd like to see that...but, Avengers will be Marvel's big property and will consume most future contracts).

 

[FaT_tONle]

That's why Avengers will end up being the best comic book franchise to date IMO. It won't be one studio's/director's rendition of a single drawn out story over three or more films. It will be multiple converging and diverging stories with different interpretations. Essentially three new stories in the same universe... three totally different really long episodes of a TV series... representing three different seasons. You get my point. There is no way the economics allow you to film three movies back to back with the same cast and all without destroying a budget or maintaining a high level of quality. I honestly don't expect one Avenger hero from the original lineup to be featured in all three films. Hell, I'd be suprised if Cap or IM even show up a second time let alone a third time. Depends on the story they choose to tell. Cap and Thor aren't really characters that you can keep shoving down people's throats because I don't think they will ever be fan favorites that can carry a film. Maybe that will change in time but it will depend on how the solo films perform. At the same time Thor and Cap can't be supporting characters either. Pym is a guy who can be a supporting character throughout. That's why I really don't see the original roster making it too far beyond one film except maybe for Pym. That's just me though.

 

[Spider-Fan]

That's why Avengers will end up being the best comic book franchise to date IMO. It won't be one studio's/director's rendition of a single drawn out story over three or more films. It will be multiple converging and diverging stories with different interpretations. Essentially three new stories in the same universe... three totally different really long episodes of a TV series... representing three different seasons. You get my point. There is no way the economics allow you to film three movies back to back with the same cast and all without destroying a budget or maintaining a high level of quality. I honestly don't expect one Avenger hero from the original lineup to be featured in all three films. Hell, I'd be suprised if Cap or IM even show up a second time let alone a third time. Depends on the story they choose to tell. Cap and Thor aren't really characters that you can keep shoving down people's throats because I don't think they will ever be fan favorites that can carry a film. Maybe that will change in time but it will depend on how the solo films perform. At the same time Thor and Cap can't be supporting characters either. Pym is a guy who can be a supporting character throughout. That's why I really don't see the original roster making it too far beyond one film except maybe for Pym. That's just me though.

We'll see once we have solo movies to go on. Thing with Cap is he could be the main star of an Avengers trilogy. I think Cap easily has a trilogy in him.

I think from an economic stand point, shifting the roster will be essential. At least that way we'd get to see various Avengers characters whom might not get used in a series focusing on the original members. We'll see how everything works out. Thor and Cap's use in future Avengers films will be determined when we see their individual BO potential.

Though without these characters in an Avengers film, would the Avengers have the same draw? Probably not, and that needs considered also.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I agree but I think you are just killing it by sticking Cap in all three films... it would be like what Wolverine was to X-Men. Plus he is a character that can grow thin on people a lot more quickly. I just don't see any of the big three being featured in THREE Avenger films honestly. Maybe Cap/Thor for movies 1 and 3... Pym and Stark for movies 1 and 2. Something like that. That would be better than gradually replacing everyone down the line to a point where you have an entirely new lineup by Avengers 3.

 

[Sawyer]

My Dream is that marvel make 4 trilogies:

Avengers
Cap
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk.

That should be their focus, not doing Powerpack movies. I want to see Marvel basically occupy themselves with the Avengers for the next 10 years.

While I would like that, I dont want Marvel to completely ignore everything that isnt Avengers for the next 10 years. Now, Power Pack isnt all that important, so thats fine, but I want to see smaller movies along the way: Runaways definately, Doctor Strange (hold off on this for awhile. Wait until Guillermo Del Toro is free to do it), Black Panther, Luke Cage, etc. Just sprinkle them throughout the Avengers stuff.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Black Panther is potentially Avengers... even Dr. Strange is. I think they will get solo films but they may eventually spin those characters into the same universe. I think Marvel could split it up like having an Avengers universe... a Heroes for Hire mini universe (Luke Cage, Iron First, etc)... maybe even a Defenders Universe (Dr. Strange, Namor, Silver Surfer). There is definitely more material there to work with.