Comics Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man Returns!

[UltimateWebhead]

Great article.

I only hope more credible sources join in to call Marvel out on their garbage. It's funny to me how Marvel sits there probably shrugging their shoulders and wondering why sales are in the dumps. DC got it right with their rebirth line and at the moment I am not convinced that Marvel does with the upcoming Legacy that they have planned. How DC got it right was paying attention to the fans and their legitimate concerns. Marvel on the other hand listens to what the fans want and then turns it around into "oh, so, no more diversity and no more female characters." Idiots.

 

[dkamphaus43]

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/05/the-real-reasons-for-marvel-comics-woes/527127/

I know this article has been out for a little more than a week now, but I just thought I'd say that it's great to see a legitimate and respected news source calling Marvel out on their crap, especially people like Slott, Brevoort and Wacker.

While it's probably too much to hope that this type of negative attention will lead to any long-overdue restructuring finally taking place, at the very least it'll hopefully lead to Slott and his cohorts like Spencer and Brevoort to finally stop trolling people on social media.

Looks like I was wrong.

http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?96474-What-is-Amazing-Spider-Man-doing-right&p=2859152&viewfull=1#post2859152

 

[Darepool]

Great article.

I only hope more credible sources join in to call Marvel out on their garbage. It's funny to me how Marvel sits there probably shrugging their shoulders and wondering why sales are in the dumps. DC got it right with their rebirth line and at the moment I am not convinced that Marvel does with the upcoming Legacy that they have planned. How DC got it right was paying attention to the fans and their legitimate concerns. Marvel on the other hand listens to what the fans want and then turns it around into "oh, so, no more diversity and no more female characters." Idiots.

I have left Marvel comics for good now. Horrible Leadership. Backed into a corner like rabid dogs, they have no choice but to bite back. Sad.

No more Spidey/Deadpool, which I love love love. I'm just another fan they've flushed down the drain.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Looks like I was wrong.

http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?96474-What-is-Amazing-Spider-Man-doing-right&p=2859152&viewfull=1#post2859152

He should really step back from the podium he's put himself/been placed on and simply just ask people why they aren't digging his run rather than just accusing them of the same 'ol same 'ol.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I have left Marvel comics for good now. Horrible Leadership. Backed into a corner like rabid dogs, they have no choice but to bite back. Sad.

No more Spidey/Deadpool, which I love love love. I'm just another fan they've flushed down the drain.

Aww man, they cancelled Spidey/Deadpool? I'm a couple of issues behind so I had no idea. Did it reach a resolution yet or just cut off?

That's a main sticking point with me for why I think Legacy is just another 'front' by Marvel. They need a reworking from the ground up not just a fancy new coat of paint. Changes in the writing staff and production teams are a must.

He should really step back from the podium he's put himself/been placed on and simply just ask people why they aren't digging his run rather than just accusing them of the same 'ol same 'ol.

If you don't agree with Dan, then you are wrong. Didn't you know that?

He'll never stop trying to pick fights with people. He has to pick fights. He's insecure about people/fans not liking his work and any mention of him not doing a good job is viewed by him as a threat. I read his latest post and he's still making those same ol' fluff arguments that don't have any real substance or backing. But hey, at least he wasn't telling people they should be diagnosed with Aspergers or some other mental illness.

 

[Ben_Reilly]

Dan posted here at one point right?
It's funny that he stopped. I now know why. No one here likes him anymore.
We ALL remember how great thing used to be. We call the writers and staff out when things are bad. We are the real fans. The ones on those other boards, they are nothing but sheep.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Dan posted here at one point right?
It's funny that he stopped. I now know why. No one here likes him anymore.
We ALL remember how great thing used to be. We call the writers and staff out when things are bad. We are the real fans. The ones on those other boards, they are nothing but sheep.

Yes, he did.

Search him under members and enjoy the read. Quite embarrassing how he handles himself.

 

[Darepool]

Aww man, they cancelled Spidey/Deadpool? I'm a couple of issues behind so I had no idea. Did it reach a resolution yet or just cut off?

They didn't cancel it, but even though it's my favorite title I can't support Marvel any longer due to their terribly overt political policy (at the expense of legacy characters), hostility towards fans, and the fact that *some* of their 'professional' talent simply don't respect the brand. To think they went from the beloved Stan Lee to these bitter clowns pretty much says it all.

 

[dkamphaus43]

Dan posted here at one point right?
It's funny that he stopped. I now know why. No one here likes him anymore.
We ALL remember how great thing used to be. We call the writers and staff out when things are bad. We are the real fans. The ones on those other boards, they are nothing but sheep.

I'm also wondering if it's because the mods here won't protect him and try to cover his ass like over at CBR?

 

[UltimateWebhead]

They didn't cancel it, but even though it's my favorite title I can't support Marvel any longer due to their terribly overt political policy (at the expense of legacy characters), hostility towards fans, and the fact that *some* of their 'professional' talent simply don't respect the brand. To think they went from the beloved Stan Lee to these bitter clowns pretty much says it all.

Ahh, I see. Ok. Fair enough. Really the only two titles I am actively reading and supporting--with my wallet, are Spidey/Deadpool and Renew Your Vows.

I'm also wondering if it's because the mods here won't protect him and try to cover his ass like over at CBR?

I think that might be part of the reason. The mods here are about fairness and hold posters to a standard of conduct. CBR bends the rules for Slott and will even just delete some of his posts if needed rather than give him an infraction. But on SHH, he wouldn't be allowed to act that way towards other posters.

The other part though I think is what Ben stated...there's not much here in the way of support for Slott's run anymore.

 

[dkamphaus43]

I think that might be part of the reason. The mods here are about fairness and hold posters to a standard of conduct. CBR bends the rules for Slott and will even just delete some of his posts if needed rather than give him an infraction. But on SHH, he wouldn't be allowed to act that way towards other posters.

But in light of this recent negative attention from the Atlantic, I wonder if it might lead to the CBR moderators rethinking their policy of giving too much leeway to Slott and others just like him?

 

[Darepool]

That wouldn't really change the fundamental issue with these people, because they've already revealed what they are like, and the creative issues will remain. I'd be surprised if Marvel doesn't do what DC did. Not just reboot the entire universe, but actually move Marvel Comics from NYC out to Burbank in the next 5 and have everything under one roof.

 

[PeterBenParker]

If you don't agree with Dan, then you are wrong. Didn't you know that?

Must've slipped my mind.

He'll never stop trying to pick fights with people. He has to pick fights. He's insecure about people/fans not liking his work and any mention of him not doing a good job is viewed by him as a threat. I read his latest post and he's still making those same ol' fluff arguments that don't have any real substance or backing.

I just don't understand it, really. If I was the writer on Spider-Man, I'd be interacting with fans and critics alike (as much as possible) to see what works for them, what doesn't work for them and what could possibly be done about the feedback (via myself or management).

I know he likes to act like people are loving his run but if that were truly the case, wouldn't Amazing Spider-Man sales be better? That would also 'cause the "big events" to not happen as often, since that is really only when any big spike occurs.

But hey, at least he wasn't telling people they should be diagnosed with Aspergers or some other mental illness.

I really hope he didn't say that to people.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I just don't understand it, really. If I was the writer on Spider-Man, I'd be interacting with fans and critics alike (as much as possible) to see what works for them, what doesn't work for them and what could possibly be done about the feedback (via myself or management).

Probably because you are level-headed and not insecure. The ability to take criticism in a professional manner is key to being successful.

I know he likes to act like people are loving his run but if that were truly the case, wouldn't Amazing Spider-Man sales be better? That would also 'cause the "big events" to not happen as often, since that is really only when any big spike occurs.

Yes, indeed. It's interesting to see that around the time prior to OMD/BND sales were actually better than what they are now. At the time ASM was selling roughly 70k copies, give or take, and the Marvel editorial decided that a change was needed to increase sales. So, why not a change now?

And the 'big events' have been failing. CWII was a bust. Clone Conspiracy was a bust. Heck, even the 1st issue of RYV outsold the 1st issue of CC.

There's other big spikes that occur too besides the events. Mostly with the constant relaunches to #1 or using tons of variants to promote sales. ASM#25 sold over 100k copies thanks to that tactic...even using variants that feature characters that aren't even in the book, i.e. MJ and Felicia. Then sales plummet once again back down to the usual numbers, around 50-60k.

I really hope he didn't say that to people.

This is a direct quote from one of Dan's posts on CBR:

I've had fans I've argued with turn out to have conditions like Asperger's syndrome and autism-- or at least claim that they've had.

Which brings up the very concerning notion that Slott seems to think that you have to be mentally impaired in some way to criticize his work, which kind of shows how far off the reservation he's gone.

 

[Darepool]

Which gets us back to leadership and who is running Marvel Comics. Why hasn't Iger stepped in and cleaned house? I suspect it's because the guy running it would not go peacefully into the night and that comics generate absolute peanuts monetarily in the big picture. This millennium it's about films, animation, toys and now video games. The comics are virtually negligible in terms of popularity for these characters and it's not worth the headache. But everything has a breaking point, and I suspect nothing dramatic will be done until it absolutely has to be...We as fans may think it's NOW, but these guys are too busy paddling against the current and trying to keep afloat to care..

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

It's sad. Really reminds me of the state of Marvel just before the bubble burst in the 90s and they nearly went bankrupt. Of course now they have Mickey and the MCU to bail them out, but the decisions being made and the constant new characters and over-event-izing of the wider universe just gives me flashbacks to 90s Marvel. If y'all haven't before, check out the Life of Reilly series to see the inner workings of 90s Marvel and tell me it doesn't come across as hauntingly familiar.

 

[Ben_Reilly]

Life of Reilly is awesome. It is also sad. And scary.
But the big thing... The 90's Clone Saga, for all the people that say they hate itand how it nearly killed Marvel...
Well Marvel is just mire than Spidey. X-Men, Four, Avengers... those three tanked hard. Spidey's books were the only ones that sold out consistantly! Ben and the Clone Saga actualky kept Marvel from going under more and sooner.

 

[Darepool]

Not nearly as scary as the 90's, Marvel characters are as popular as ever, just not in the comics medium. I'd be sad if I didn't have other outlets for the characters I love, outlets much more in tune and inspired by Marvel's great history BTW. There are some great writers in the fold still, but too many others who have burned out. The absolute bottom is approaching.

 

[Poppy]

An other one!

This is a variant by Mike Perkins.

I like that they're promoting Petermj.t:

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I wouldn't read into that too much. Marvel has been using MJ on their covers to help sell comics for awhile now. And if you didn't already know, June is MJ month. She's being featured on over 30 different variant covers--everything from The Avengers, DD, to Black Bolt.

 

[dkamphaus43]

I wouldn't read into that too much. Marvel has been using MJ on their covers to help sell comics for awhile now. And if you didn't already know, June is MJ month. She's being featured on over 30 different variant covers--everything from The Avengers, DD, to Black Bolt.

And yet she probably won't be appearing at all in the main title that she's typically associated with. Hell, I'm wondering if she'll even be featured in the new Spectacular book or if her appearance in the FCBD story was just a one time thing.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

And yet she probably won't be appearing at all in the main title that she's typically associated with. Hell, I'm wondering if she'll even be featured in the new Spectacular book or if her appearance in the FCBD story was just a one time thing.

Zdarsky has mentioned how much he enjoys MJ's character and being able to write her with Peter. I'm willing to bet we'll continue to see her pop up in the Spectacular series. Though I am also going to bet that she'll continue to be just a friend.

 

[Ben_Reilly]

They should have kept MJ dead all those years ago.
They lost thier balls when they retconned it. Bunch of whiny fan boys.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

They should have kept MJ dead all those years ago.
They lost thier balls when they retconned it. Bunch of whiny fan boys.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

They should have kept MJ dead all those years ago.
They lost thier balls when they retconned it. Bunch of whiny fan boys.

She was never dead, it was purposefully drawn to show the possibility of escape. At no point was her death considered real in the Spider-Office.