Philosophical Underpinnings of X-Men 3

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I've seen the film three times now, I've analyzed it and I've come to some very disturbing conclusions considering what is typically the X-Men's strongest suit: themes and metaphors on discrimination.

There are essentially three things in X3 that go understated, or unnoticed, that speaks volumes about certain trends in the film's philosophy.

The first and foremost of these is the treatment of Leech. Here is a young boy, who presumably has parents, who is being detained for however long (Rao says that this is fully within guidelines) to have his blood replicated so as to create the cure. Beast even visits this facility, sees the boy, and apparently has no hesitancies about this boy being kept in a posh prison. Neither do the X-Men apparently, who come to the aid of the humans who are holding the boy and siphoning his powers for a cure. This sends a mixed message -- and an immoral one -- where apparently Xavier and his band are perfectly content with mutants being used for patent experimentation, a trend Xavier himself condemened in action in both X-Men 1 and X2 but now seems perfectly okay with...

Rogue and her decision to get cured. This has been discussed many times so I won't go into it here in detail. But the message is clear -- don't deal, change. Part of Rogue's dynamic nature as a character is that she overcomes her mutant power and finds ways to use it for a higher purpose, not reliniquish it. People say "This is more realistic..." and I don't think its a matter of realism, it's a matter of character development. Which is more poignant? Rogue has the ability to choose to change her genes and doesn't, embracing her mutancy once and for all against the backdrop of it being cured, or Rogue has the ability to choose to change her genes and does, showing her need to...what? Love Bobby? Is that all? As Logan said, that's a rather stupid reason -- foolheartdly -- reason to do it. We scoff at people who get tattoos of lovers on their arms b/c we say what happens when you break up...yet give a ride to a person who changes their fundamental being to accomdate a boy. This too, sends bad messages in terms of feminism (a women changing herself completely for a boy) and overall discrimiantion (give in to the majority and succumb to what's most comfortable, not most rational or natural).

Lastly, perhaps the most inconcievable, yet hidden philosophical fopa is Beast and the X-Men using the cure against Magneto. We have two incidents prior to this where the X-Men are talking about the cure being used against mutants as a weapon. You have Storm, Xavier, and Logan bring up the overall implications of this being forced upon mutants during the first act of the film, and their general hope that the gov't would never do such a thing -- Beast echoes the sentiment. Thus, when it is used as a weapon, Beast feels the need to resign his cabinet position (no small thing) and leave for the school. Later, the writers write a scene with Magneto screaming and rallying the troops, and within this speech of evilness, they have Magneto say they will use this poison against any mutant who stands in their way. Now we, as an audience, are most likely to see that this is Magneto being hypocritical, and just utterly dasterdly -- simply by implication of how the line was written, delivered, and directed.

However, The X-Men go to Alcatraz and use the cure against Magneto?!! How does this make any sense other than to resolve a plot thread?! Beast, somehow, goes from hating the idea of forcing the cure upon mutants, to actually being one of the people who force the cure upon a mutant. In fact, the X-Men come to the aid of an entire group of people who are using the cure as weapon against mutants, defending these people, while earlier having held beliefs contrary to the use of the cure as a weapon.

It's not just that these things send a wrong message, structurally and character-wise, they JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE!
 
bosef982 said:
It's not just that these things send a wrong message, structurally and character-wise, they JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE!

No they don't like many other thing in the plot. My only question is - why did you go 3 times?
 
Don't forget that part of the reason that the X-Men go to Alcatraz is to rescue Leech
 
Bosef, you have waaaaaaaay too much time on your hands.
 
though i agree with the first, i have problems with your second and third arguments...
First i dont think Rogue takes the cure ONLY for Bobby, for we've seen her problems since the first movie, and she asks if she can be cured even before she joins Bobby. It would be the logic thing to do, if that is what she always wanted. I dont see a problem on blind people taking a cure to become "normal", i dont think it would send a wrong message. Though blind people do enhance their other senses, there's no problem on wanting to see again, the same goes for Rogue and her mutation. Also, i think its good to show how complicated the cure issue is, not everyone is as confident and self-secure as the other. The movie shows different opinions, and thats why we're still discussing it.

Then, about Magneto, i agree partially, because i actually saw him as the hero in this movie. Bad writting, maybe, or maybe they showed how grey this world is, and not black and white. The "heros" might do wrong things, as the "Villains" might sometimes actually be right. I dont think the X-men films came to teach kids and general population ethics, we have plenty of movies already in which the heros are the super-corrects, when we do know that it doesnt happen like that in real life. The movie is just throwing metaphorical issues that make us think. And i like how it shows, i dont know if on purpose or not, that sometimes good people do bad things (this also works for Xavier). It actually makes everything more 3 dimensional and polemic. And guess what, thats what i think they wanted to create with this movie, polemic.
 
Your first argument - The Brotherhood was going to kill Leech and the X-Men went to stop the Brotherhood not support the humans in detaining Leech.

Your second argument - I agree and saw that as a cop out for Rogue's story arc.

Your third argument - It does seem a bit underhanded to use the cure when you said you were against it so I would have to agree.
 
bosef982 said:
I've seen the film three times now, I've analyzed it and I've come to some very disturbing conclusions considering what is typically the X-Men's strongest suit: themes and metaphors on discrimination.

Of course, they could have taken the right way, but then the movie wouldn't have been coooool!
I mean they even killed the boy with the glasses first. I wonder if he'll haunt the school like Moaning Myrtle.
 
here's my couple of cents:

-although I did enjoy the movie, I left feeling like they could have expanded on the whole storytelling thing, which seems to be a general opinion around, it did deliver more on the action part, which is something we all wanted, and yes, I loved all those panles coming to life... still, the movie needed at least another 20 minutes for story development, here's hoping they fix it in the dvd

-I actually liked rouge getting the cure, if you think about it, it can be a really big burden on any person not to be able to have any physical contact with other people, regardless if it's her boyfriend or not, a little study of human social psychology might benefit in understanding her point of view

-as for the x-men using the cure on magneto, think about it this way: extreme conditions demand extreme responses, what's the best way to stop a guy whose powers can stop you right on your tracks and also stop the madness that is taking place? they reacted to the situation the best they could given the rescources they had at hand, although they could have also used them on jean

-I don't know about you, but Kitty was great, but underused, same as colossus, and many others
 
Pizzaboy1138 said:
Of course, they could have taken the right way, but then the movie wouldn't have been coooool!
I mean they even killed the boy with the glasses first. I wonder if he'll haunt the school like Moaning Myrtle.
which boy with glasses?
 
bosef982 said:
However, The X-Men go to Alcatraz and use the cure against Magneto?!! How does this make any sense other than to resolve a plot thread?! Beast, somehow, goes from hating the idea of forcing the cure upon mutants, to actually being one of the people who force the cure upon a mutant. In fact, the X-Men come to the aid of an entire group of people who are using the cure as weapon against mutants, defending these people, while earlier having held beliefs contrary to the use of the cure as a weapon.
I think the idea of the X-Men having to face their personal feelings about the cure and any attached implications about whether they're right in using it on a mutant against his will is a great discussion point. It's not as though Storm said, "Hey, this cure is really awful. But let's use it on this random Joe walking down the street!" The point was that they wrestled with whether they could take it upon themselves to use it, despite their misgivings, to stop Magneto and his plans to basically wipe out Alcatraz.

At least, that's what I interpreted from the set-up of Storm, Beast and Logan staring at the cure darts. The cure presented more of a moral, ethical, etc. dilemma for them than if, say, Wolverine were just to run up and stab Magneto in the heart. And I liked the fact that it wasn't just humans deciding on whether to use the cure on mutants, but mutants deciding whether they could use it upon their own kind. In a way, it mirrors the arguments about Magneto - whether, in his attempts to bring justice for mutants, he is just as misguided and delusioned as the Nazis were when he was at their mercy as a young boy.

What made less sense was for Beast to gladly accept another government position (granted, U.N., but still) after resigning and seemingly having problems with the President's use of the cure as a weapon.

As far as Rogue, I guess there's a point where you try to tell a story and you just want to tell the emotion of that story without having to make the "right" choice to broadcast as a message.
 
I started a thread about #3 and agree but if you mean TV changing boy with glasses he was in X3
 
spider bat 555 said:
I started a thread about #3 and agree but if you mean TV changing boy with glasses he was in X3

I meant Scott.
 
^They should have shown him being tortured an brainwashed or somthing maybe flashbacks.
 
spider bat 555 said:
^They should have shown him being tortured an brainwashed or somthing maybe flashbacks.

In X2 or X3?
 
weatherwitch said:
Bosef, you have waaaaaaaay too much time on your hands.


and it should be put to use saying how bad this film was.
 
bosef982 said:
I've seen the film three times now, I've analyzed it and I've come to some very disturbing conclusions considering what is typically the X-Men's strongest suit: themes and metaphors on discrimination.

There are essentially three things in X3 that go understated, or unnoticed, that speaks volumes about certain trends in the film's philosophy.

The first and foremost of these is the treatment of Leech. Here is a young boy, who presumably has parents, who is being detained for however long (Rao says that this is fully within guidelines) to have his blood replicated so as to create the cure. Beast even visits this facility, sees the boy, and apparently has no hesitancies about this boy being kept in a posh prison. Neither do the X-Men apparently, who come to the aid of the humans who are holding the boy and siphoning his powers for a cure. This sends a mixed message -- and an immoral one -- where apparently Xavier and his band are perfectly content with mutants being used for patent experimentation, a trend Xavier himself condemened in action in both X-Men 1 and X2 but now seems perfectly okay with...

Rogue and her decision to get cured. This has been discussed many times so I won't go into it here in detail. But the message is clear -- don't deal, change. Part of Rogue's dynamic nature as a character is that she overcomes her mutant power and finds ways to use it for a higher purpose, not reliniquish it. People say "This is more realistic..." and I don't think its a matter of realism, it's a matter of character development. Which is more poignant? Rogue has the ability to choose to change her genes and doesn't, embracing her mutancy once and for all against the backdrop of it being cured, or Rogue has the ability to choose to change her genes and does, showing her need to...what? Love Bobby? Is that all? As Logan said, that's a rather stupid reason -- foolheartdly -- reason to do it. We scoff at people who get tattoos of lovers on their arms b/c we say what happens when you break up...yet give a ride to a person who changes their fundamental being to accomdate a boy. This too, sends bad messages in terms of feminism (a women changing herself completely for a boy) and overall discrimiantion (give in to the majority and succumb to what's most comfortable, not most rational or natural).

Lastly, perhaps the most inconcievable, yet hidden philosophical fopa is Beast and the X-Men using the cure against Magneto. We have two incidents prior to this where the X-Men are talking about the cure being used against mutants as a weapon. You have Storm, Xavier, and Logan bring up the overall implications of this being forced upon mutants during the first act of the film, and their general hope that the gov't would never do such a thing -- Beast echoes the sentiment. Thus, when it is used as a weapon, Beast feels the need to resign his cabinet position (no small thing) and leave for the school. Later, the writers write a scene with Magneto screaming and rallying the troops, and within this speech of evilness, they have Magneto say they will use this poison against any mutant who stands in their way. Now we, as an audience, are most likely to see that this is Magneto being hypocritical, and just utterly dasterdly -- simply by implication of how the line was written, delivered, and directed.

However, The X-Men go to Alcatraz and use the cure against Magneto?!! How does this make any sense other than to resolve a plot thread?! Beast, somehow, goes from hating the idea of forcing the cure upon mutants, to actually being one of the people who force the cure upon a mutant. In fact, the X-Men come to the aid of an entire group of people who are using the cure as weapon against mutants, defending these people, while earlier having held beliefs contrary to the use of the cure as a weapon.

It's not just that these things send a wrong message, structurally and character-wise, they JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE!

Leech. I think that a child being basically held captive at Worthington Labs is both unethical and a less than convincing plot device, but we are told it is "within guidelines." I agree that his situation wasn't fully explained, just as Jason Stryker's situation was not fully explained in X2. Why were the X-Men and Magneto sitting around a fire chatting and making camp when they should have wasted no time trying to save the children? At least Leech had a fun video game to play, and a nice view of the bay. The X-Men rescued him.

Rogue. Since X1, Rogue has been a metaphor for people who live with HIV/AIDS, in that she cannot touch someone without potentially killing them. Her mutancy is not something cool that makes her different, like being able to freeze a pond. If you were born with HIV/AIDS, would you want to be cured or would you delight in the fact that having HIV/AIDS makes you different? On a side note, your insistance that everything sends a "message" undercuts artistic expression and allows no plot to send a politically incorrect or "wrong" message. Audiences can think for themselves.

Magneto Cured. This was a war, and sometimes in a war things are done that, in other situations, the combatants would abhor. Every now and then in war, the ends justify the means. The X-Men were not curing people in mass, but one person, in an effort to end the war.

P.S. What is a "philosophical fopa"?
 

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