Pirates of the Caribbean 5 - Part 1

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Dead Man's Chest had some narrative issues for sure.

Like at the end, they really made it seem like Elizabeth had fallen in love with Sparrow. And even though she sacrificed him, she seemed devastated for doing so. And when Will was asking for a plan to save him, it was almost like he was doing it to spare her feelings because of what happened.

And then the story just brushes aside what happened between Elizabeth and Jack in the next movie. It never sat right with me that they went there with Jack and Elizabeth.

I don't think Elizabeth ever loved Jack. She was looking out for herself and Will. She tricked him by using her feminine qualities because she knew he would fall for it. And yes she immediately felt guilty about it because one would when they see a friend get swallowed by a Kraken. I don't think they brushed it off, Jack exposed her in Davy Jones Locker, and Elizabeth was pretty much the one that spearheaded the mission to get him back because of what she did at the end of DMC.
 
Nice to see people showing love for the original trilogy. The new trailer looks awesome and I can't wait to see more.
 
So I was at NYCC today and surprisingly I saw a lot of Jack cosplay's on the floor. I mean I know he became a very popular character. I just I dunno, didn't expect to see as many as I did.
 
I don't think Elizabeth ever loved Jack. She was looking out for herself and Will. She tricked him by using her feminine qualities because she knew he would fall for it. And yes she immediately felt guilty about it because one would when they see a friend get swallowed by a Kraken. I don't think they brushed it off, Jack exposed her in Davy Jones Locker, and Elizabeth was pretty much the one that spearheaded the mission to get him back because of what she did at the end of DMC.

yeah i always saw that as, she felt remorse but she knew she had to do it otherwise the Kraken would never stop chasing them, she betrayed her friend and it pained her.
 
I don't think Elizabeth ever loved Jack. She was looking out for herself and Will. She tricked him by using her feminine qualities because she knew he would fall for it. And yes she immediately felt guilty about it because one would when they see a friend get swallowed by a Kraken. I don't think they brushed it off, Jack exposed her in Davy Jones Locker, and Elizabeth was pretty much the one that spearheaded the mission to get him back because of what she did at the end of DMC.
The film clearly built up a romance between the two and it implied she was growing feelings for him.
 
Like I said even in the 18th century currency that seems like a pathetic bounty for the guy that murdered the head of the East India Trade company, endangered the king and broke out of the palace, engaged in notorious piracy for years, and did about a million other illegal things such as impersonating a cleric. In real life the East India Trading Company put a £1,000 bounty on Avery.

Which is roughly £93,300 to £128,000 today. An average sailor had to work eighty years to earn so much money. If Jack Sparrow is worth only one fifth of that sum (£18,660 to £25,600 today), a sailor would have to work sixteen years to earn that. It was still a lot of money. In real life Blackbeard was worth 'only' £100, but that's still eight years worth of wages.

There is also another explanation for the relatively low bounty of 'only' £200. What we saw was an old wanted poster, maybe from the beginning of Jack's pirate career. During the events of At World's End Jack was worth 10,001 guineas, at least according to the official AWE website.

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The film clearly built up a romance between the two and it implied she was growing feelings for him.

What romance? He just wanted to seduce another wench and she was just using him to save Will.
 
Never really felt it was a potential romance and was just her arc in the film of becoming an actual pirate (Jack calling her that was amazing to me) that culminates in her becoming an important pirate captain in At World's End. I just think what happened was Keira had more chemistry with Johnny.
 
I have a strong feeling this instalment will be on par will the first movie. I have very high hopes for this.
 
From what I've heard/read from other people, it seems like how the film portrays Elizabeth and Jack's interactions, combined with Keira's performance, gave more than a few people romantic vibes between them. Also stuff like Jack's compass not working properly and Tia Dalma teasing him about "not knowing what he wants," plus the compass seemingly pointing to Jack when Elizabeth is holding it, and her subsequent reaction (which felt like the classic "I don't want to admit that I'm into him" type of deal).

That probably was never their intention of course, but the writing and acting was out of synch with said intentions and thus people got the wrong idea.


As for AWE, my biggest problem with it is that there was both too much and too little going on. It had a really convoluted plot that confused a lot of people (they had to release a companion piece just to try and explain it all, which isn't a good sign), but it was really boring at times. And then it feels like the writers wrote themselves into a corner repeatedly, and often took the lazy way out:

-"We made the Kraken too powerful/unstoppable last time, how are Jack and co going to beat it? Oh I know, we'll just drop in a line about how Beckett made Jones kill it off-screen in-between movies, problem solved." What a pathetically underwhelming end for such a cool concept.

-All the buildup to Calypso, and she does nothing in the end except create a whirlpool.

-Sao Feng is a wasted character, and they couldn't even give Chow Yung-Fat a proper action scene in an action movie, really?

-All the buildup to "we need to get the pirate lords together to declare war, and they'll bring their own ships to the fight." Aaaanndd, they just sit there while the Black Pearl and Flying Dutchman duel. They contribute NOTHING to the finally battle, what a waste.

-The Royal Navy are apparently a bunch of cowards in the film-verse and not the most powerful navy of it's day. Because they just turn around an sail away with their tail between their legs once Beckett dies, despite still outnumbering the pirates like 10 to 1.

-Etc.

This wasted potential/lame payoffs thing kept happening over and over and over and over again in the movie, which made it a very unsatisfying conclusion to the trilogy imo. Don't set up potentially cool/interesting stuff, and then not do anything with it.
 
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This new poster popped up on IMDB. I'm not sure if it's official.
 
if we get one we get it with Rogue One because its the last and Biggest Disney Movie this year
 
did i imagine it or did a teaser for this drop recently?
 
Not surprising, really. Figured it was inevitable.
 
All of that could have been put into spoiler tags. Just saying...
 
It's the Mirror. I am not going to get too excited yet.
 
I have a strong feeling this instalment will be on par will the first movie. I have very high hopes for this.

"Two different pals at rival studios have told me that Disney's Pirates 5 is amazing & maybe best in the series." -Mark Millar
 
I hope they tweak Salazar's voice. I saw the teaser at the theater with Rogue One and I could barely understand him. It was worse at the theater than it was when I watched it on my computer. The loudness and surround sound seemed to make it more unintelligible for some reason. If that's how it is in the final film Ill probably spend most of his scenes trying to decipher his dialogue.:funny:
 
I hope they tweak Salazar's voice. I saw the teaser at the theater with Rogue One and I could barely understand him. It was worse at the theater than it was when I watched it on my computer. The loudness and surround sound seemed to make it more unintelligible for some reason. If that's how it is in the final film Ill probably spend most of his scenes trying to decipher his dialogue.:funny:

How was the reaction in theater tho?
 
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