Planet Hulk/World War Hulk

[Fading]

Doun't count your chicks before they hatch....

You guys have a profound hatred almost of the Hulk but as much as a few out here exagerate Hulk's power levels quite a few take it the other way.

You justify Sentry's LOSS in the same way as others have justified Hulk's losses in the past.

This fight ended with the Hulk the victor. The writers meant to have it that way. Yes it took all his power to do so but he did in the end meaning and solely based on that comic the Sentry and the Hulk are equal (given they both burnt out and as it was a Hulk story, Banner punched out Reynolds) and a writer could make either one win or lose on any given day. Of course, this goes completely against Jenkin's story and is almost a retcon of it.

Regarding Thor vs the Hulk, there really is no justification for it and my theory is that Thor dumbs down for that fight every time because he wants to test his strength againstn someone who he knows is not really a villain, just misguided at times. If Thor used all his present powers he should be close if not beyond silver surfer level but against Hulk you will never see him doing so and as such he becomes defeatable.

Profound Hulk hatred? Says who? We've explained this so many times I've lost count in the other, stating continuity or facts does not = Hulk hate, especially when used to counter extremes like DAC with "OMG HULK COULD BEAT ETERNITY ROFL!!!". Neither Sentry or Hulk finished that fight, so you can't say Hulk won. The Bruce Banner part of his psyche took over when Hulk disappeared after the fight, as was Robert Reynolds standing instead of Sentry. Are they the same person? Mentally, spirtually, everything but the body yes. However would you count it a loss for Hulk if Juggernaut kicked Bruce Banner's ass? Neither Hulk, nor Sentry's powers or persona's were present at the end of the fight, Sentry vs. Hulk more or less ended in a draw like it or not, now Bruce Banner did indeed knock Sentry out.

As for your Thor analysis...again, says who? You base current Thor going into dumb mode based on what? He's fought one other super powered person since coming back, and that was Stark who he beat worse than WWH Hulk beat him. Thor's books doing great, I doubt their going to toss him a loss so early, Hulk honestly doesn't need it after WWH, I could see the writers tossing Thor a bone first. Plus if Hulk can be shown to give Wolverine brain damage and side step Juggernaut using his own momentum against him rather than fight both for an eternity, I think Thor could keep with how he's currently being written and not suddenly forget he has Mjolnir and his other powers.

The past is the past, and both Hulk and Thor are currently being written as smarter individuals, and we saw how dangerous a smart Hulk is, I'd like to see what Thor would be like going all out. The only way I could see Thor not winning is if it's being written by Pak, and Pak has Hulk lift a continent and drop it on Thor who just stands there and takes it or something. That's just my opinion of course, anyway I think it'd be a good read and they will have the 2 fight again eventually.

 

[CBG]

You got the interviwes from Pak on this?

The following:

“Tony has no idea what the Hulk has been through on Sakaar,” Pak said. “He doesn't know that the radiation from the exploding shuttle made the Hulk stronger than ever.

Last paragraph of this interview:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10827

NEWSARAMA: With the destruction of the craft that transported Hulk to Sakaar—did the Hulk absorb another healthy dose of radiation?

Greg Pak: Yes, indeed. When he hits the planet for World War Hulk, he’ll be angrier and stronger than the Marvel heroes have ever seen him

Interview: Looking back on Planet Hulk with Greg Pak
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=111065

MP: He’s also been super-charged by the explosion on Sakaar. He’s literally fuel-injected Hulk!

Interview: World War Hulk War Room #1
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=116477

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Profound Hulk hatred? Says who? We've explained this so many times I've lost count in the other, stating continuity or facts does not = Hulk hate, especially when used to counter extremes like DAC with "OMG HULK COULD BEAT ETERNITY ROFL!!!". Neither Sentry or Hulk finished that fight, so you can't say Hulk won. The Bruce Banner part of his psyche took over when Hulk disappeared after the fight, as was Robert Reynolds standing instead of Sentry. Are they the same person? Mentally, spirtually, everything but the body yes. However would you count it a loss for Hulk if Juggernaut kicked Bruce Banner's ass? Neither Hulk, nor Sentry's powers or persona's were present at the end of the fight, Sentry vs. Hulk more or less ended in a draw like it or not, now Bruce Banner did indeed knock Sentry out.

As for your Thor analysis...again, says who? You base current Thor going into dumb mode based on what? He's fought one other super powered person since coming back, and that was Stark who he beat worse than WWH Hulk beat him. Thor's books doing great, I doubt their going to toss him a loss so early, Hulk honestly doesn't need it after WWH, I could see the writers tossing Thor a bone first. Plus if Hulk can be shown to give Wolverine brain damage and side step Juggernaut using his own momentum against him rather than fight both for an eternity, I think Thor could keep with how he's currently being written and not suddenly forget he has Mjolnir and his other powers.

The past is the past, and both Hulk and Thor are currently being written as smarter individuals, and we saw how dangerous a smart Hulk is, I'd like to see what Thor would be like going all out. The only way I could see Thor not winning is if it's being written by Pak, and Pak has Hulk lift a continent and drop it on Thor who just stands there and takes it or something. That's just my opinion of course, anyway I think it'd be a good read and they will have the 2 fight again eventually.

Regarding Sentry, he lost. And I do not state that as a Hulk fanboy. In that comic book they were shown as equal with the Hulk having an edge maybe based on willpower. In the Jenkins mini, the Hulk was nothing more then a sidekick to the Sentry, a bit like Bucky was to Cap. So who knows what will happen next time they meet.

My opinion on Thor is based on the fact that he has always had the powers but when it came to enging people in battle he made it a physical one. The Iron Man fight that happenned recently was for me an exception. I just think they will not have a fight with Thor doing much more then calling a few bolts of lightening, swinging Mjollnir and fighting Hulk physically. As such he becomes open to defeat. Of course, he can just as easily win.

The gist of it is that Hulk is a deus ex machina that can be written to overcome in certain battles and also to lose to not so strong opponents in others.

In addition, when I state profound Hulk hatred I refer to how most (not all) "deemed sensible" here have either come out with Sentry did not lose or he was holding back instead of just seeing this as a win for Hulk (or Banner if you prefer) which was what the writer intended imho.

And Pak is a much better writer then some writers like Jenkins which makes Hulk into a lapdog and Bendis who has Strange forget about the magic that allows him to keep airplanes in the air or teleport away.

 

[Phenomenal]

The following:



Last paragraph of this interview:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10827



Interview: Looking back on Planet Hulk with Greg Pak
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=111065



Interview: World War Hulk War Room #1
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=116477

Thank you, as usual.t:

 

[Phenomenal]

Profound Hulk hatred? Says who? We've explained this so many times I've lost count in the other, stating continuity or facts does not = Hulk hate, especially when used to counter extremes like DAC with "OMG HULK COULD BEAT ETERNITY ROFL!!!".

LOL this was funny.

Continuity is sometimes hard for people to except.

 

[Zenien]

Exactly.

There's no exactly about it Dacman. It was only the exceptional circumstance of Rick Jones being Impaled and the revelation the Miek was behind the death of his wife that allowed him to revert into the Hulk state, a state that was already much more powerful then he regularly is, even when enraged, due to the events that have occurred between him being exiled and him coming back. Heroes get burnt out all the time, and then something happens that can frequently allow them to push on, in Bruces case it was the death of his friend. Spider-Man would have, I don't know, MJ being captured. Superman would get a boost of solar radiation. The Hulk burnt out, the writer outright said he burnt out. This was the equivalent of the superman instance that I just mentioned. WWH was forced into remission, being still just as angry and he was before, it was the external factor that allowed Bruce to transform back into WWH.

 

[GNR]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0712/03/index.htm

preview pages of Hulk #1 from McG

 

[Not Jake]

Oh, terrific. Loeb opted for that dual-narrative thing that he sucks so much balls at.

 

[Hulk1215]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0712/03/index.htm

preview pages of Hulk #1 from McG

I like the idea of Red Hulk and I hope that the series is good.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Still have no clue how he becomes red...

 

[PhotoJones]

Art looks good. McG draws a great Abomination.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, terrific. Loeb opted for that dual-narrative thing that he sucks so much balls at.

Did you expect any less? The man's fallen so far in so short a time.

Also, I hate Doc Samson's hair. And did losing so much of his hair make him shrink or something, because I'm pretty sure he was about as tall as She-Hulk before.

 

[PhotoJones]

Goddamn, guys. Hating on the writing when the images are wordless? That's a new low.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Jake brings out the worst in me.

But I'm not crazy, right? Doc Samson used to be taller, right? Right?

 

[Darthphere]

Used to be, being the key phrase.

 

[PhotoJones]

Most of McG's figures are sort of squatter then most other artists, or bulkier, I guess is the more correct term. That might make them appear shorter. As for his hair: while I obviously prefer a long haired Doc Samson, the new haircut looks a lot better in these interior pages then it did on that promo image.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It's not a question of squatness, I'm talking about relative height. I could've sworn Samson was as tall as She-Hulk, which would make sense given that he became pretty buff and huge when he got all gamma-irradiated.

The hair looks fine, but it just feel like Doc Samson without that ponytail.

 

[PhotoJones]

It's not a question of squatness, I'm talking about relative height. I could've sworn Samson was as tall as She-Hulk, which would make sense given that he became pretty buff and huge when he got all gamma-irradiated.

The hair looks fine, but it just feel like Doc Samson without that ponytail.

"It just feel," huh?

Anyway, I don't think I've ever pictured Samson as being an abnormally tall person like She-Hulk. I thought he was always of average height.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It doesn't feel like Doc Samson without the ponytail. I got 3 hours of sleep, damn it.

I'm pretty sure I remember Gary Frank drawing Doc Samson as rather huge. Not Hulk-huge, but Thor- or Hercules-huge. Which is right around She-Hulk's height.

 

[PhotoJones]

Maybe, maybe not. Him being shorter then She-Hulk doesn't bother me, though.

And I didn't any sleep last night. So, I win. Or lose. Whatever.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I could've gotten 4 hours of sleep, but one more episode of The Wire just called to me at 2 a.m.

 

[PhotoJones]

I had a very sick girlfriend.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The Wire sounds like more fun.

 

[PhotoJones]

I've yet to see it, but I can promise you that it is.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

What did she have, the flu or something?