Planet Terror V.S. Death Proof

[L0ngsh0t]

Death Proof ruled, but Planet Terror is my idea of the perfect movie

 

[Road Warrior]

Planet Terror = Cool
Death Proof = Possibly one of the worst films of the year

Planet Terror is EXACTLY what you'd expect from a Grindhouse movie. Death Proof is an hour of some chicks talking nonsense and a 10-minute car chase.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Planet Terror = Cool
Death Proof = Possibly one of the worst films of the year

Planet Terror is EXACTLY what you'd expect from a Grindhouse movie. Death Proof is an hour of some chicks talking nonsense and a 10-minute car chase.

I can tell you don't really watch to many grindhouse movies...

I agree Planet Terror, much better than Death Proof, tho, I still thought Death Proof ruled...but DP is what alot of grindhouse movies are like

most grindhouse movies where made for like dirt cheap, and had long, boring stretches of dialouge where they set the characters up, plot, etc. so they could save the money for the last 20 minutes...If you ever spent time watching just slasher movies, let alone grindhouse movie, you would know that all slasher movies have the god awful setup to the movie, where some of the worst acting, and writing, known to man takes place. Death Proof had a section of self awareness to the second big brick of dialouge, where they set up the characters minding their own business, while stuntman mike voyueristically watches in the background

Imo it was a very solid movie, that had some holes, the repetitivness of the dialouge was one of them, and it was really only the second time through that it bugged me, but I got what he was trying to do, and I know what went wrong with it to, but I thought it was fine, certianly not the worst movie of the year. even if it was boring it still wasn't worse than blood and chocolate, or ghost rider

 

[Road Warrior]

The difference between Death Proof and a REAL Grindhouse film is that in a real Grindhouse film...

1) Those chicks would have been naked for most of the film
2) Jungle Julie and Rose McGowen's character would have gotten into a chick fight
3) Eli Roth would have gotten the girls drunk and tried to f--k them at their beach house or whatever
4) The characters would have had some relevant to say instead an hour of nonsense
5) The film wouldn't have been so light. It would have had a darker tone to it.

Rodriguez made the true Grindhouse film. The only difference is that he had the budget to make it action-packed. But his was a true Grindhouse film.

 

[Road Warrior]

oops! double post

 

[Road Warrior]

triple. sorry hunter rider!

 

[Catman]

1) Those chicks would have been naked for most of the film

3) Eli Roth would have gotten the girls drunk and tried to f--k them at their beach house or whatever

That is a good point. Tarantino just made the first and only Grindhouse film not to include sex and nudity. It had hot chicks, but in the Grindhouse world that isn't enough. The audience wants to see some T&A.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

The difference between Death Proof and a REAL Grindhouse film is that in a real Grindhouse film...

1) Those chicks would have been naked for most of the film
2) Jungle Julie and Rose McGowen's character would have gotten into a chick fight
3) Eli Roth would have gotten the girls drunk and tried to f--k them at their beach house or whatever
4) The characters would have had some relevant to say instead an hour of nonsense
5) The film wouldn't have been so light. It would have had a darker tone to it.

Rodriguez made the true Grindhouse film. The only difference is that he had the budget to make it action-packed. But his was a true Grindhouse film.

You just blasted Death Proof for being so light, and then you say that Planet Terror is more what a grindhouse movie should be ???

Planet Terror might be one of the lightest zombie movies in history, possibley lighter than Shaun of the Dead

Characters would have had something relevent to say?? Again I don't think you have watched to many grindhouse movies, the most relevent thing most of them say is "I herd this legend about a guy who kills people with a machette in the woods...etc" and thats it, the rest of it is, lets **** this guy, anal sex is a pain in the ass (ba doom boom), that weed sucks etc. Thats it. What QT was doing is instead of the usual rundown of "blah blah, killer in woods, or guy kills people with car" he just had them talk like normal people, granted the second time went on for way to long, but still it was far better and more relevent dialouge then most grindhouse movies.

that brings me to the fact that these aren't supposed to be grindhouse movies, they are supposed to be Grindhouse movies to the left, aborations of what used to be, self aware, just like Scream isn't great because it is a slasher movie, it is great because it is an aboration of what slasher movies used to be. So obviously nither of these are true grindhouse movies, but Death Proof is the closer of the two

 

[Road Warrior]

these aren't supposed to be grindhouse movies, they are supposed to be Grindhouse movies to the left, aborations of what used to be, self aware, just like Scream isn't great because it is a slasher movie, it is great because it is an aboration of what slasher movies used to be. So obviously nither of these are true grindhouse movies, but Death Proof is the closer of the two

Death Proof is not closer of the two! I've never seen a Grindhouse film where people talk for an hour with nothing happening. Something ALWAYS happens. Whether its a chick fight or teens having sex. Tarantino basically made a 90 minute movie where 80 minute of it was just people talking!

 

[Catman]

Something ALWAYS happens.

Sort of! In the blaxploitation (sp?) films something always did happen. Pam Grier films are a perfect example of that. The films didn't have much action scenes but there was plenty of fight scenes, sex, nudity, racist white people getting beat up, etc.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Death Proof is not closer of the two! I've never seen a Grindhouse film where people talk for an hour with nothing happening. Something ALWAYS happens. Whether its a chick fight or teens having sex. Tarantino basically made a 90 minute movie where 80 minute of it was just people talking!

chick fights, and teens having sex can be grindhouse movies yes....but so are slasher films, and revenge films, with great amounts of dialouge, which is what QT was going for, there is a wide array of grindhouse films, and not all of them deal with over sex, and over gore, basically they where R rated (or X rated) movies that wouldn't make any money being a single bill, but when they where with 1 or 2 or even 3 other movies, they could make some profit. Most of the movies where made for like 25 thousand dollars (cough cough think Halloween here) and have loads of front dialouge, with a money kill in the end (or in Halloweens case a chase scene). That car chase at the end was probably the coolest 20 minutes I have seen this year in movies. Now Halloween isn't a typical grindhouse movie, I was just using it as an example of a movie that has a lot of frontal dialouge, and a money kill/chase at the end, it has build up, which Death Proof did not do terribley, well, but it also had a money kill in the middle of it to.

 

[Catman]

think Halloween

um. . .I wouldn't have used Halloween as an example. You pretty much lost the debate there. Halloween is a great movie because it is suspenseful. The movie works because Michael Myer is always in the background and you are hearing that amazing John Carpenter score. Plus, you don't have people talking for an entire hour. There is a lot of dialogue, yes, but there is also a lot of characters walking through the neighborhood and Myers slowly driving by or hiding behind a bush, etc.

EDIT:

I see why you used it as an example. For instance, you see Kurt Russell in the background during the bar scene and the diner. But Taratino just pointed out that he was there. Thats it. Carpenter, however, added creepy music when Myers was stalking his preys. Russell, on the other hand, is just there. At times Tarantino doesn't even focus on him the way Carpenter focused on Myers. Tarantino just points out that he's there.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

um. . .I wouldn't have used Halloween as an example. You pretty much lost the debate there. Halloween is a great movie because it is suspenseful. The movie works because Michael Myer is always in the background and you are hearing that amazing John Carpenter score. Plus, you don't have people talking for an entire hour. There is a lot of dialogue, yes, but there is also a lot of characters walking through the neighborhood and Myers slowly driving by or hiding behind a bush, etc.

EDIT:

I see why you used it as an example. For instance, you see Kurt Russell in the background during the bar scene and the diner. But Taratino just pointed out that he was there. Thats it. Carpenter, however, added creepy music when Myers was stalking his preys. Russell, on the other hand, is just there. At times Tarantino doesn't even focus on him the way Carpenter focused on Myers. Tarantino just points out that he's there.

I was in no way comparing them like that, Halloween is the best horror movie ever imo, and Death Proof is not

however I was more so going for the fact that, Halloween was a movie that was made for dirt, and had to have loads of front dialouge, that really ment nothing so it could run 88 minutes or whatever, cause JC had the money suspense, and money chase at the end, its all good

Death Proof is a play on old grindhouse films, that where made like Halloween, with loads of dialogue that really doesn't mean anything....that was more what I was going for Halloween is a movie that has tones of useless dialouge, granted intercut is this great feeling of doom surrounding the characters, but still what they talk about means very little outside of the usual character development

but I am not comparing the two, cause imo there isn't any comparison, I was just using it as like this movie was made like this, and that is how grindhouse movies where made, and that was what tarrantino wanted to go for

 

[Catman]

You should have just used a better example. Just like how I used Pam Grier movies like Coffy and Foxy Brown to explain Grindhouse flicks that were heavy with fights, sex, nudity, etc.

Halloween does have a lot of useless dialogue but the difference is that the characters aren't sitting around. They are talking and walking through the neighborhood while Michael Myers is in the background and you hear that creepy music.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

You should have just used a better example. Just like how I used Pam Grier movies like Coffy and Foxy Brown to explain Grindhouse flicks that were heavy with fights, sex, nudity, etc.

Halloween does have a lot of useless dialogue but the difference is that the characters aren't sitting around. They are talking and walking through the neighborhood while Michael Myers is in the background and you hear that creepy music.

this is true, it was just the first thing that plopped into my head

 

[Catman]

this is true, it was just the first thing that plopped into my head

And the sad thing is that Tarantino could have done like Carpenter. Look at Pulp Fiction for example. Travolta and Jackson have an entire conversation walking up to the apartment in the beginning of the movie. Here he just has people sitting around. So, what happens is that the eye gets bored. The story wasn't bad...I admit. Its just that visually it gets boring after a while.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

And the sad thing is that Tarantino could have done like Carpenter. Look at Pulp Fiction for example. Travolta and Jackson have an entire conversation walking up to the apartment in the beginning of the movie. Here he just has people sitting around. So, what happens is that the eye gets bored. The story wasn't bad...I admit. Its just that visually it gets boring after a while.

agreed, it was boring, and only the rosario dawson part, i actually had no problem with the jungle julia, and jordan pladd crews dialouge

but the rest did kick ass

 

[Catman]

agreed, it was boring, and only the rosario dawson part, i actually had no problem with the jungle julia, and jordan pladd crews dialouge

but the rest did kick ass

I loved the car chase! Kudos to Tarantino for that! But, he could have spiced up the movie. He had 8 hot girls. Get them naked or something! Its a Grindhouse flick, man! If Rosario Dawson took it off for Alexander she would have taken it off for Death Proof.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I loved the car chase! Kudos to Tarantino for that! But, he could have spiced up the movie. He had 8 hot girls. Get them naked or something! Its a Grindhouse flick, man! If Rosario Dawson took it off for Alexander she would have taken it off for Death Proof.

See I would have liked to see KR do a little more creeping around in that dark car of his

 

[Catman]

See I would have liked to see KR do a little more creeping around in that dark car of his

That would have been better. While the cheerleader chick is talking about her boyfriend who looks like The Rock you could have seen Stuntman Mike in the background. Perhaps Tarantino could have even added some creepy music.

 

[SoulManX]

I think DP fell flat and I really didn't enjoy it as much as PT.
With DP it changed film stock half way through (after we leave the hospital) it goes from being grainy and dirty etc to clean and looking just like a reguler movie and found that a bit jarring.
Also I think the movie would have worked better had we ended in the hospital. We perhaps set up this idea of a crazed driver killing young kids in the midwest (or wherever it took place) then we go through it like we did and end with the sherifs explanation like we did but we see outside and we find the car sitting there looking all evil and ominouse (ala "christine").
With PT I thought Rodreigez really understood and pulled off the whole idea/homage of the Grindhouse genra. He got me to enjoy a movie about zombies and I honestly HATE zombies, as I feel the genra has been overly exposed within the last 6 years with movies/comics/video games and even clothing.

 

[K.B.]

Yeah so what I said earlier and someone posted later, Rodregeize made the TRUE grindhouse film while QT while maybe a fan, just failed to put that same love on the screen in his segmant.

 

[Backdrifter]

Yeah so what I said earlier and someone posted later, Rodregeize made the TRUE grindhouse film while QT while maybe a fan, just failed to put that same love on the screen in his segmant.

This is so incredibly incorrect.

 

[buddha182]

I liked Death Proof more, and I'm not afraid to defend it. Best car chase in film history, exciting, awesome acting, great dialogue... just get over your laziness and come to accept the great QT dialogue.

 

[cyborg ninja 14]

Please provide examples of this so called "great" dialogue you speak of.