Portland test screening indicates altered ending???

[Mercurius]

I see what you're saying, but I was addressing the choice that had to be made by Dan, Laurie, etc. Setting aside the elevated bodycount, how has it become other than a moral checkmate?

Involving Manhattan it would be as if he was an interested part in keeping it the way Veidt planned, and not convinced by the game of silence implied as a condition to keep peace in the world.

Thus, making the very feeble balance Veidt got at the end just a question of "we two against the rest of you".

Manhattan must be kept out of Veidt's plan, at any cost.

 

[Solidus]

Involving Manhattan it would be as if he was an interested part in keeping it the way Veidt planned, and not convinced by the game of silence implied as a condition to keep peace in the world.

Thus, making the very feeble balance Veidt got at the end just a question of "we two against the rest of you".

Manhattan must be kept out of Veidt's plan, at any cost.

Now I may be misunderstanding you. But what you are saying is that Manhattan, would not stand for what Veidt did if he framed Manhattan?

If this is what you mean then, I disagree. Even if Manhattan wanted to set the record strait and try to say that it was Veidt, it would not do a damn thing. Look at this world. Something like destruction of New York, people lose their common sense. They will see Manhattan as the enemy. No matter what. Look what happened with 9/11. We attacked Iraq, who had nothing to do with it. What I'm saying is that fear makes people throw common sense out the window.

Even if Manhattan tried to plead to the people he did not do this, it would be too late. The world would lable him as the enemy, no matter what he said. How are they going to believe Manhattan otherwise? Seriously? His word? I doubt it.

But if I misinterpered what you were getting at, just disregard what I said. I'm doing a report while I'm reading everyone's responses, so I may not be looking into it deep.

 

[Solidus]

Isn't there going to be footage shown tonight of Watchmen? Exciting.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Yep. At the Scream awards. So make sure you YouTube it for me.

 

[Mercurius]

Now I may be misunderstanding you. But what you are saying is that Manhattan, would not stand for what Veidt did if he framed Manhattan?

If this is what you mean then, I disagree. Even if Manhattan wanted to set the record strait and try to say that it was Veidt, it would not do a damn thing. Look at this world. Something like destruction of New York, people lose their common sense. They will see Manhattan as the enemy. No matter what. Look what happened with 9/11. We attacked Iraq, who had nothing to do with it. What I'm saying is that fear makes people throw common sense out the window.

Even if Manhattan tried to plead to the people he did not do this, it would be too late. The world would lable him as the enemy, no matter what he said. How are they going to believe Manhattan otherwise? Seriously? His word? I doubt it.

But if I misinterpered what you were getting at, just disregard what I said. I'm doing a report while I'm reading everyone's responses, so I may not be looking into it deep.

You're right about his framing, Solidus, that would be the system, indeed.

But I find it phony to make the radioactive hero named Manhattan be the guilty part of the thing, story-wise. Moore would never allow a cheap or obvious liaison of facts to be the solution for the story.

Manhattan Project ended up with the atomic bomb, it's a very phony attempt at a reference, I think.

Moreover, I think Manhattan should decide to leave Earth on his own account, in order to make all the weight of the monstrosity fall on Veidt's shoulders, and with that great answer he gives him.

He is indifferent, and the others are just human. That's the beauty of it.

 

[Motown Marvel]

so have there been any specific details of this changed ending released? (i havent read the whole thread, so...)

 

[Kanon]

In the scream awards clip, you can see (around 1:40 in the youtube version) Dr Manhattan and Laurie, in what seems to be the destruction caused by Veidt... It doesn't look like the attack of the squid, but the result of a big explosion (no buildings, just debris)

 

[The Guard]

Leaves to Mars, or leaves permanently?

Leaves to Mars.

I strongly disagree. "Who watches the watchmen" was never about a fear of the unknown. It was a statement directed at the vigilante crimefighters that were taking the place of government law enforcement and that angered the common man of this alternate universe. It could easily be summed up as "who are you to stand as the law? who gave you the right?" It's not a fear of the unknown, it's a fear of facism.

"Who Watches The Watchmen?" is clearly about people putting trust in those who are "supposed" to protect them, and the potential folly therein. This plays into that very well, as someone who was supposed to protect them ends up appearing to be their greatest threat.

The squid isn't about fear of the unknown either, really. It's about fear of the relatively unknown. But it's a known quantity, or at least, the "story" behind it is. An interdimensional being lashing out upon contact, etc.

In regards to the ending both attacks have the same effect because it's an alien attack on humankind, and although Doc isn't an alien, many human beings regard him as something otherworldy and alien, godlike, etc.

But the Manhattan frameup fails because he is an AMERICAN government operative, not a UNCONNECTED ALIEN threat from another world/dimension/planet (whatever).

In other words: There is someone for the world to blame at the end of all of this : The American Government. Why? Because Manhattan served as their operative. He is tied to them and is their responsibility. The other countries, in reality, would see this as an American ****up and attack the US. This is why the Manhattan frameup fails to acheive the same effect that the alien attack does in the book. The squid is arbitrary, and to the american public and the rest of the world it's actually from another planet and therefore it's a more frightening threat. It's attack would actually produce a worldwide stalemate.

At the end of the book, you had Russia explicitly putting aside hostilities and openly offering aid to the US. You won't have that here because it makes no sense. Russia would blame the US for creating a monster, and failing to control it. The rest of the world would share the same sentiment.

What we have at the end of the Manhattan frameup is nations that are not only without any trust for one another to a even greater degree, but now all of them will focus completely on themselves and their own security, their fear of Manhattan, and their hatred of the Incompetent American government responsible for these attacks. The end.

I see what you’re saying, but this “possibility” simply doesn't matter unless the writer wants it to. Sure, some of these things are possible, but they were possible in the world of the original graphic novel, as well. They’re simply not relevant to the story of WATCHMEN. Manhattan shows that he cannot be controlled by the US government in WATCHMEN, and the world is witness to this as well. If they’re going to blame the US for Manhattan’s attack, why wouldn’t they blame the US-based Center for Extraspatial Studies for the squid incident as well?

The fact is, an attack by Manhattan would plunge the Earth into a fearful state, and it would create a common enemy. The same thing the squid accomplishes.

I should also point out…the “attack” happens because of escalating tensions between countries. In the most recent draft, one of Dr. Manhattan’s stipulations is that the world put aside their differences. Is that blackmail? To a point. Can the world afford to ignore it? Hell no.

Again, I disagree and it seems I'm not alone. We both know it's not about the gore.

I don't know about you, but seeing my loved ones bloodied and smoking in the streets accompanied by a huge ****ing alien squid crushed into a nearby building would be much more horrific than empty streets and cute little shadows.

Then it’s obviously somewhat about the gore and the spectacle. Of course it would have an impact on you, but it would be because of the fact that they were your loved ones, and the state they were in, period, right? Which would have to have something to do with gore. To play Devil’s Advocate, imagine your loved ones were simply missing after the incident…none of the dead could be identified, and you never knew what happened to them. Tell me, which would be worse?

I’m speaking artisitically, as in, which has more to do with the themes of Watchmen. I much prefer subtley and thematic relevance to gore for the sake of gore and bodies everywhere. I’m not saying I don’t like the original, and if they went that route I would have loved it. But there’s a certain thematic relevance to this that the original graphic novel didn’t quite feature.

This is probably about getting an R rating from the dickless MPAA, I doubt it's an artistic choice.

That could well be why they did it. But that doesn’t change what it is as art.

Seymour is the ending of the film. At least that's what the script indicates.

I know. I’m saying, why would anyone think, based on these reports, that this would not be the actual ending? Is it because the scooper used the word “ending” and people just couldn’t put two and two together?

If you want to know why this matters, it has been discussed at length. Just read some of the previous responses I've made and others have made on the issue. This is another straw man. I never said the attack was small--no one here did. Small on a global scale (as opposed to internationalizing it as in the film), but not small in bodycount. It was personal, because we got to know all of these smaller characters.

The argument has been made that the attack will have more impact on audiences if it is a smaller, personal one. True, but the attack itself will have more impact if it’s a global event, with worldwide ramifications, as well as small and personal, wouldn't it? And if we don’t get a bunch of small, personal moments with the supporting cast, which we likely won’t, due to runtime, the attack on New York pales in comparison to attacks on many major cities.

I just thought it was an incredibly cool visual technique to show the countdown to ground zero from 5 different perspectives. It would have been amazing to see in the film and I think it's a missed opportunity regardless of running time concerns.

We may well see something very similar.

Actually it doesn't. There is an alien quality to it. Band to together to face the unknown. Manhattan isn't unknown. No squid, no journal, no service. I can't believe they also seemingly have changed Rorschach's end.

Manhattan, in this context, is absolutely as unknown as the squid was. No one really knows what he’s ultimately capable of, where he is, what he will do, etc.

Does anyone want to actually respond to the real argument (the logical component to the attack)? You guys are ****ing funny as hell.

What logical component? Your made up “This is what Russia and the rest of the world WOULD do in this situation” angle? You're telling me it's not logical to play on the public's fears over the loose cannon godlike Dr. Manhattan, and the public fears over his actions and their meaning to the Earth’s survival?

A genetically engineered psychic squid attack is more logical?

Given these facts why wouldn't Russia and the rest of the world lay waste to the US?

Because Manhattan, who just destroyed half a city in Russia, and cities the world over, specifically said that he would destroy the world if they entered into more aggression.

One final thought. The reason I don’t mind this, is because this obviously isn't change for the sake of change. It's a change that has thematic relevance.

 

[Figs]

How do you disagree with FACT? Russia did give aid because the threat was not of earthly orgin! It was a threat that affected everyone because it was from another world.

Seriously, don't be stupid. If you disagree with me, at least read everything I've said and give a valuable argument to it because this "not a sound argument because I said so" is just BS.

Manhattan is owned by the American Government. If Something created by the Americans attacks other countries, they would logically be held responsible and face hostility from the rest of the world. True?

If something created by no one attacked the world and it looked like an attack from an aliens (be it a squid, a giant, or ****ing king kong), no one would be held responsible and the idea of the world powers joining together to defy the threat is much more plausible. It actually makes sense both in terms of logic and as a story choice. This is a non-human threat to humankind that is unaffiliated with any nation.

This Manhattan frameup is bull **** and makes me feel like someone is pissing in my shoe. I hope the reports are right about the multiple endings because to me this is a disqualifier.

*palms forehead*


You do realize that in the book and most likely the movie that Manhattan leaves because he is accused of killing people from radiation. There is that sign that 'America' doesn't want him around let alone be connected with him anymore, not to mention of the cities he blows up we know at least one of them is New York. Which is just about America's greatest/most popular city.

I think both of those two things, especially the blowing up of New York and any other possible American cities will let the other countries know that Dr. Manhattan isn't allied with 'us' anymore.

Also, as someone else pointed out. Who is to say Russia wouldn't just invade/attack us anyways because we were weakened by an 'alien' attack. In the book it's only New York that gets attacked. You would think a serious and deadly enemy would exploit that instead of changing their tune with us to be friendly out of pity.

Personally, as long as they keep the last bit where the Journal is found I'm not dissapointed. This threat is actually a bit better since multiple major cities get nuked as opposed to one just on American soil. Other people have already brought up some good points about how in the book it was a one time attack and only in America, although I let it slide in the book...it's not realistic. I'm not meaning the alien either, sometime after the attack everyone would go back to their warring ways again.

In the film version if multiple countries get nuked it's a threat and loss for everyone and not just America.

Also the poll options suck, way to be biased. So if we think the changes from the book are better, than that means we are sheep who agree with everything Hollywood does/changes??

 

[The Navigator]

Involving Manhattan it would be as if he was an interested part in keeping it the way Veidt planned, and not convinced by the game of silence implied as a condition to keep peace in the world.

Thus, making the very feeble balance Veidt got at the end just a question of "we two against the rest of you".

Manhattan must be kept out of Veidt's plan, at any cost.

I didn't think Manhattan was involved--Veidt simulated an attack from him but wasn't complicit with the doctor, right? I could be mistaken on this.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Reading through the thread, I'm not buying the whole "Singer X2 keeping the ending a secret" with these Watchmen screenings. What's the point? I can understand if Watchmen was a completely original story, such as X2 was (not a direct translation of a GN). But what does Snyder gain by keeping the ending a secret? So when the film starts its theatrical run, he can be just like, "see, I was just screwing with you guys all along, we always planned the squid ending"?

Why go through the trouble of showing one ending in this screening just to change the ending for the WW release. Makes no sense to me. This is a story that already exists, read by people all over the world. There are no secrets. What would be gained by this switcheroo? I believe the ending that was seen at that screening, is the ending we will be getting come 3-06-09.

 

[The Guard]

You do realize that in the book and most likely the movie that Manhattan leaves because he is accused of killing people from radiation. There is that sign that 'America' doesn't want him around let alone be connected with him anymore, not to mention of the cities he blows up we know at least one of them is New York. Which is just about America's greatest/most popular city.

I think both of those two things, especially the blowing up of New York and any other possible American cities will let the other countries know that Dr. Manhattan isn't allied with 'us' anymore.

You would think so.

 

[CrimsonMist]

Reading through the thread, I'm not buying the whole "Singer X2 keeping the ending a secret" with these Watchmen screenings. What's the point? I can understand if Watchmen was a completely original story, such as X2 was (not a direct translation of a GN). But what does Snyder gain by keeping the ending a secret? So when the film starts its theatrical run, he can be just like, "see, I was just screwing with you guys all along, we always planned the squid ending"?

Why go through the trouble of showing one ending in this screening just to change the ending for the WW release. Makes no sense to me. This is a story that already exists, read by people all over the world. There are no secrets. What would be gained by this switcheroo? I believe the ending that was seen at that screening, is the ending we will be getting come 3-06-09.

because they have working on this movie the guy who did the creature designs for Cloverfield. It doesn't make much sense to hire a guy who designed the creature in a rather successful movie to design Bubastis.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

because they have working on this movie the guy who did the creature designs for Cloverfield. It doesn't make much sense to hire a guy who designed the creature in a rather successful movie to design Bubastis.

Then if that's the case, and the squid ending has in fact been filmed, what does Snyder and WB gain by showing the non-squid ending that was seen at the screening? Why not just show it? He must know that the nature of fanboys is the want to keep the translation from source material to film as faithful as possible. Why screw around with an alternate ending if he has the original ending in his back pocket?

 

[CrimsonMist]

Then if that's the case, and the squid ending has in fact been filmed, what does Snyder and WB gain by showing the non-squid ending that was seen at the screening? Why not just show it? He must know that the nature of fanboys is the want to keep the translation from source material to film as faithful as possible. Why screw around with an alternate ending if he has the original ending in his back pocket?

i don't know, really. They also have to keep in mind the general public, and see what works well. That's the downside really. Also keep in mind that the movie comes out 5 months from now. Why would they be doing test previews if they didn't have something up their sleeves? They want to see what works and what doesn't. And they're also keeping an eye on us fanboys.

 

[CrimsonMist]

I didn't think Manhattan was involved--Veidt simulated an attack from him but wasn't complicit with the doctor, right? I could be mistaken on this.

You are correct. Viedt, using a machine he and Manhattan had built, uses it to destroy several cities, giving the illusion that it was Manhattan who actually did it.

Now, for those who don't like this ending, i suggest re-reading the book, atleast the end anyway. It works, like it or not.

When Manhattan and Laurie come back to NYC, Manhattan doesn't even know what happened. He sees it, but he's unaware of what happened. He realizes something is wrong and only probing back in time does he realize that something's up at Karnak and then finds out what Veidt did. Viedt used the tachyons to prevent Manhattan from figuring out his plot.

When Viedt shows them that his plan works, Manhattan realizes that revealing Viedt will undo everything. He tells Laurie: "On Mars you demonstrated life's value. If we would preserve life here(earth), we must remain silent." And then he tells Viedt: "..But yes, i understand, without condoning or condemning. Human affairs cannot be my concern. I'm leaving this Galaxy for one less complicated".

See what i'm getting at?

-Viedt and Manhattan build a machine employing Manhattan's powers to stop the energy crisis.
-Viedt develops a plan to save the world from Nuclear war.
-Viedt builds 8 generators in Antarctica and 8 that float around in satellites that interfere with Tachyons, thus throwing Manhattan off his trail and never finding out his plot.
-Viedt uses this machine to destroy 9 cities.
-The attacks give the impression that Dr. Manhattan has gone rogue.
-With these attacks, a message is given saying "Cut the crap and make peace. Or else."
-The countries make peace and everyone is happy.
-The heroes realizing that Viedt's plan worked can't do anything about it.
-Manhattan realizes that this is for the best, and takes the blame.
-Manhattan leaves Earth forever, telling Viedt "Nothing ever ends." -Manhattan is content with everything.
-Rorschach's journal is discovered and eventually published.

Now, the moral checkmate is there. Manhattan not wanting to make human concerns any of his business is there. "Nothing ever ends" is obvious in several ways:
1. Rorschach's journal
2. Viedt using the powers of a God without the knowledge of a God, not knowing or understanding his actions, in the long run, will harm mankind.
3. The slowly building, but hidden turmoil that will start brewing.

It's all there. It works.

 

[The Guard]

It does.

 

[I Am The Knight]

i don't know, really. They also have to keep in mind the general public, and see what works well. That's the downside really. Also keep in mind that the movie comes out 5 months from now. Why would they be doing test previews if they didn't have something up their sleeves? They want to see what works and what doesn't. And they're also keeping an eye on us fanboys.

Pretty much. I'd imagine there might be even a couple of different endings, or at least two (Squd or "Rogue" Manhattan) ... So who knows. But it seems like I will be OK with the ending change. It was always more important to me that Veidt were not killed.

 

[Mercurius]

You are correct. Viedt, using a machine he and Manhattan had built, uses it to destroy several cities, giving the illusion that it was Manhattan who actually did it.

This "several cities" thing changes strategy into a ridiculous annihilation showdown.

Veidt plans his act with utter chirurgical attention, and the changes make him a careless, cliché villain.

That's REALLY bad.

 

[The Guard]

Care to elaborate?

 

[S.D. Plissken]

So if we think the changes from the book are better, than that means we are sheep who agree with everything Hollywood does/changes??

Pretty much, yeah.

 

[deathfromabove]

first of all some thoughts right off the bat.

the attack in the GN was always global.

the squid (rip?) sent out a psychic shockwave that reached far beyond our shores. suprised no one has mentioned this. this is also part of the reason everyone seemed to just already know within minutes that it was an interdimensional creature that died upon arrival and its screaming death killed millions instantly. i know im not the only one who has read the book more than ten times.

and **** alan moore. there i said it. now i am completely against the fact that a living writer is not involved in his own work and i love and respect the man fovever. the man has been burned at the adaptation game, although, to be fair, shakespeare, shelley, stoker, poe, lovecraft, lee, and king have all seen far worse translations. but he refused to have any part and gave the money to dave. and thats his choice.

and remember stephen king prefers the made for tv shining adaption to kubrick's version.


but the more i think about it i dont think moore cares. i mean he seems indifferent to the whole affair. he gave his blessings to dave gibbons and dave gave his to the filmakers and considering the primarily visual nature of film, that might be even better.


but we do care. alot. at a certain point as an artist you have to remember that this medium is collaborative and that once any work of art impacts a culture so permanantly (as most of moore's work has) it no longer belongs to you alone.

(digression) thats why i want to wrap my mitts around lucas' neck. what? greedo shot first? sorry i was there and i saw it all. thats not the way it went down. go ahead and fix and tinker, its your right, but dont dangle the original optically printed, matte lines showing, unanimated han saving his own bad ass version in front of me as if i dont have a right to see it. thx 1138? really george. next he will revert back to 50's drag races because AG didnt have enough. wait a second...


but watchmen... so lets get on with it. the movie is coming and there is nothing we can do about it ("i did it 35 minutes ago") so. so will it be a good film or not? that should be our concern now.

i mean moore should read this thread. the amount of actual discussion going on in this thread about the book and the moviewithout it going down in complete flames or turning into a flameathon is amazing and if anything the amount of discussion should please him, being a fan of words and all.

so...

The more I think about it, the more I begin to understand why I could be changed. I think the general public may be like WTF? with the squid.

i can also understand not wanting the sole attack to be on new york. the book made no allusions to 9/11 and the inference might actually lessen the GNs message. or not. but i can see the rationale behind it a bit.

Yeah, well I say **** Joe sixpack. I'm tired of movies catering to lazy *******s who can't even stand to read a ****ing book.

I mean common. Oh, yeah, like the other parts of the book are so much more believable than this. The squid is just jumping the shark....too much..too weird...

a violent energy storm from but not actually from a man who was made all powerful from a stock comic book atomic mishap who is naked and blue is the much better, more modern, more believable option to go with.

i am much more concerned with the impact and causation behind the event than the precise form of destruction. the unknown fate of RR's journal is more important to me.

Exactly, Plissken.

I feel the same way, and hope the same way. This would be the major and final desqualifier.

as oppossed to a disqualifier i see it as more of a reality check. did anyone actually think any single three hour movie was going to do the trick? we have known that will not be the single greatest event ever. it wiill be different. because,as we all certainly can agree, there is nothing like watchmen. no comic nor book nor film or anything is going to be that work. ever.

so now the ending might be a bit different. we know for a "fact" it wont be perfection. we have "evidence".
everyone take a deep breath. honestly the squid might be too much of a headscratcher. and i dont mean for joe six pack. i mean for its medium. for a three hour movie that will have to be working alot harder in much less time to convince evryone that this is all really happeningand asking questions like: what if superheroes were real? and they murdered. and implicitly did bad things. ****ed each other. couldnt get it up. made mistakes, got divorced, allowed millions to die by inaction, apathy, and by masterplan. tortured and maimed and raped and lied.

and then... a giant interdimesional monster? film has moved beyond that particular outlandish convention whereas, in watchmen moore is actually incorperating a long standing and still honored convention in way that was very self aware. the way it was presented in the GN was very disturbing and scary in 1986 in the medium of comic books. in a movie, given the tone or the story, it might have a wtf effect or worse induce a silliness moment. it might seem too hokey and farfetched. i mean look at the backlash the friggen microwave emitter got. to set up all these events and then nuke the fridge right at the end might not have the desired effect.

and are mushroom clouds dropping out of the sky a whole lot scarier proposition given that it really could happen at any moment? maybe. or maybe we will see the squid still and it will be scary as hell. march is long way off.

but what im saying is the expectation by fans about this is set so high you have to be realistic. nothing short of multiple movies released months apart (at midnight) directed by the hand of god (with moore doing daily rewrites and blogging about his newfound sense of artistic expression) while dave gibbons and say james cameron and peter jackson edit the film while conguring the souls of will eisner, jack kirby, kurosawa, and welles for mojo would have sufficed.

but the movie may still be good. it could be excellent. then everyone will run out and buy and read the book and the medium (soon after having just seen it first best picture nod this jan 22nd) will gain a new found high point of respect and acceptance.

hey it could happen.

 

[deathfromabove]

I said it again, this is just like, hate using this example, but its a good one, the Scouring of the Shire, in LOTR.

Spoiler

A huge part of the book, that was completely altered at the end of ROTK. Where Sauraman was let go by the Ents, he took a rag tag army, and burned the Shire to the ground, and enslaved all the hobbits. Frodo and them come back, then the same events unfold, and Sam plants the white tree seed in the Shire. And they have rebuilding to do. Now of course for your case you will say that is not a big deal. It sure was to the fans when it came out, including me. I felt that it was as you put it "Hollywood" taking over.

But actually it worked out better the way PJ did it. When we did watch the movie we relized it actually was a better way to end it then the book did.

So, just because something is one way in a book, does not mean there is room for improvement. But yes, Watchmen is one of the greatest pieces of work, right up there with LOTR, but guess what even the greatest things have room for improvement.

Now for all we know how it works into the story, it may actually be way better then a squid. And have more depth then we can actually understand. Or it could be a worse choice, when we see the movie, or learn more info, if it does suck, then I will be here right with you saying that was a terrible decision. I did the same with Spidey 3 lol.

But I say, from what little info we have, it could easily work. And be just as powerful, and maybe make a little more sense. Don't have enough info right now, but from what we do have I could see it easily working like the changing of the Scouring of the Shire.

But I say we should wait a little bit longer because apparently comic book dork, Kevin Smith was not upset by the change, when he did say there was a major change.

But I just think some are jumping the gun quick. Just like all the people that thought the Joker was being too serious before the film came out. Then when they saw it, they kept quiet. Sometimes when you watch the movie as a whole, it may make more sense.

After thinking about what we talked about last night, and discussed it with my friends, to me I really think it could work. But you don't have to listen to anything I say, if you don't want.

Oh well dudes I'm off to Bus 432.

i agree. and again with LOTR, sometimes leaving things out or changing things slightly allows the film to stand apart from the source. as if to say, no i am not that book and if you want the scouring or tom bombadil (or a bat crashing through a window) you have to go find them and read them. they are still there waiting for you, forever, anda movie wont change that. think of it as an inverse easter egg instead of an oversight or ommision.

the more i see and hear it seems the people behind watchmen are trying to make something that will perhaps be a idiosycatic, mesmerizing, and visually unique (if not as revolutionary) to its medium as the GN was to its own. while at the same time everyone involved seems to be honoring and following the GN as closely as possible given its a single film. again will it redefine cinema? doubtful. will it redifine the way "superhero/comic book" movies are seen by our larger culture? maybe. after this past summer it wouldnt take much more than a nudge (and a couple gold staues) to do it. if watchmen is a good movie, if it succeeds as a film, then the squidgina wont matter.

and if watchmen completely misses the mark then alan moore is right, and we will just have to wait a few years for the end of the bat trilogy.

 

[Mercurius]

Care to elaborate?

Huh, Guard, lemme try. Humm, here it goes:

If Adrian is the guy who plans with abnormal cunning, he would strike once, in 1 place, with perfect timing.

He sends his "extraterrestrial" monster and destroys one city, and it sends psychological turmoil around the world, arousing pity and compassion among enemy nations around a common unknown threat.

If Adrian is a careless, common and a bit idiotic maniac, he would strike all the most important cities around the world. That's an obvious "plan", with a duh! t:

There's no need to be that smart, then, and wait for the right time, the right place, the right reason.

If you just can do and want the showdown, and blame the überloonyman, you're not a schemer, you're a hack.

Plus: it messes with Doc Manhattan's personal (if we are allowed to use "personal" in relation to him) decision of leaving Earth.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Huh, Guard, lemme try. Humm, here it goes:

If Adrian is the guy who plans with abnormal cunning, he would strike once, in 1 place, with perfect timing.

He sends his "extraterrestrial" monster and destroys one city, and it sends psychological turmoil around the world, arousing pity and compassion among enemy nations around a common unknown threat.

If Adrian is a careless, common and a bit idiotic maniac, he would strike all the most important cities around the world. That's an obvious "plan", with a duh! t:

There's no need to be that smart, then, and wait for the right time, the right place, the right reason.

If you just can do and want the showdown, and blame the überloonyman, you're not a schemer, you're a hack.

Plus: it messes with Doc Manhattan's personal (if we are allowed to use "personal" in relation to him) decision of leaving Earth.

so striking a single target requires more intellect that striking numerous targets simultaneously around the world?