POTC = The new SW?

[The Kid]

Yerp, when something has that big an impact on cinema history, I'd reckon it's the new star wars.

 

[cryptic name]

The themes of POTC are just (at least for me) so familiar to the Original SW Trilogy, among the little things:

-Son looking to redeem his father:
POTC: You have got Will who for his entire life believed his father to be a respectful sea merchant and was upset to discover that he was indeed a pirate...something he himself is on his way of becoming.
SW: You have got Luke who for his entire life believed his father to be a respectful Jedi pilot and was upset to discover that he was indeed the evil Darth Vader...something Luke tries to avoid, falling to the dark side.

-Conflicted villian in Davey Jones:
POTC: A pirate who's broken heart lead him to a lifetime of sadness and dread.
SW: Darth Vader who's own selfishness and death of his wife lead him to a lifetime of evil.

-Love Triangle:
POTC: Will, Elizabeth and Jack
SW: Luke, Leia & Han (at least before ROTJ)

-Pintell & Ragetti = C3Po & R2D2?

-Surprise twist at the end of the 2nd film:
POTC: The "death" and subsequent rescue of

Spoiler

Jack

SW: The capture and subsequent rescus of Han.

-Black Pearl = Millennium Falcon?

Plus the fact that POTC: DMC has been called the "Empire Strikes Back" of the series.

Thoughts?

that's because the themes in the orginal trilogy are UNIVERSAL. look up jospeh campbell and the hero's journey.

and Dead Man's Chest was not the "Empire" of the series. Empire was good.

 

[Bastila]

You know I was thinking the other day that this could be the New SW of this generation.

 

[Erzengel]

This is as much the new Star Wars as Leno is the new Carson or Timberlake is the new Sinatra.

 

[PhotoJones]

This is as much the new Star Wars as Leno is the new Carson or Timberlake is the new Sinatra.

Nah, I disagree. The Pirates movies are definitely the Star Wars of this generation. Large cast, exotic locales, similiar themes.

I just hope we don't get a pre-trilogy....

 

[Erzengel]

I watched tv this weekend. Few examples, Naked Gun 33 1/3 they did the police car going down the Death Star Trench. On Scrubs, Billy Dee Williams guest stared and Turk kept calling him Lando. Not to mention the 30th Star Wars Celebration on G4 or the documentary on the History Channel.

Let me know when Pirates achieves that sort of pop culture status.

 

[Pablo Parker]

This should have been the new Indiana Jones (kinda... you can´t really touch Indy´s greatness... ). But they should have made stand alone sequels like the first movie, with Jack´s character as the star and getting rid of Will and Liz and not trying to have some deep meaning which they don´t have.
Now these films are just the new... Nothing...
But that´s just my opinion. I see a lot of positive talk in these boards. I´m glad some people liked AWE... I really wanted to like too, but i left the theatre sooo disapointed...

 

[Matt]

Here is a crazy notion. It was several years before anyone knew the impact the Star Wars movies had left on cinema. In fact, if you called them legendary in the mid to late 80s you'd have been laughed. It wasn't until the 90s when a new generation discovered them that they really became pop culture legends as opposed to cult sensations. It is probably going to be some time (20 maybe 30 years) before you know if Pirates, Spider-Man, Lord of the Rings, whatever had ANY impact on the film industry let alone the kind Star Wars had.

 

[The Storm]

Funny thing I was thinking about making a thread about which modern trilogy is the Star Wars of our time.

 

[Erzengel]

The answer right now is none. And there is, you'd have to wait quite a few years to see which ones are still around and referenced.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Pirates ain't the new SW. The PT is the new Star Wars


Curse of The Black Pearl>>>>>>>>>>>Phantom Menace

Dead Man's Chest>>>>>>>>>Attack of The Clone

AWE compared to ROTS is the only one that's debatable but even still, Pirates is better than the PT.

 

[DACrowe]

LOTR is closer in its depth of mythological compleation and historical basis. Its themes and maturity is closer.

But it is safe to say those movies did not have the same cultural impact that SW did (maybe the book though). POTC is the flavor of the week. The first was Indiana jones size fun, but the sequels were empty souless adventures and will likely fade away instead of staying for decades to come.

LOTR will stil lbe watched in 20 years by new generations like Star Wars. I don't honestly think Pirates will have that depth of staying power.

 

[bunk]

Yeah, I think LOTR has a much better chance of being the next Star Wars.

 

[The Storm]

You'd have to consider the technology side as well. Matrix gave us bullet time and the CGI on Davy Jones is flawless same as with Gollum.

 

[PowersOfMind]

Nah, I disagree. The Pirates movies are definitely the Star Wars of this generation. Large cast, exotic locales, similiar themes.

I just hope we don't get a pre-trilogy....

I think Pirates has the potential to be the new SW. I remebmer the first time I watched the OT and how in awe I was of the whole thing. Now I went to see Pirates again yesterday(for the third time) and I took my sister(she's 11) and some of her friends to see it, and just taking in their reactions to it, Pirates can be to them what Star Wars is to us.

 

[Victarion]

DMC is equal parts Empire and Jedi, I believe. The heroes never triumph against the Flying Dutchman, much as the rebels never won against the Empire in ESB. There were also some more lighthearted moments, such as the cannibal island.

AWE is more Empire than Jedi, due to how bad things have gotten. The EITC controls the seas, and the heroes must use their last resort-unless a seriously pissed off godess they imprisoned years ago. Backstabbings galore in AWE are similar to Lando betraying Han and the others to Vader on Bespin. Shades of Jedi can be seen in that Sao Feng and Singapore is kinda like Jabba and Jabba's Palace. The heroes each make their own way there, and must bargain with Captain Feng. And Davy falls down the maelstrom similar to how the Emperor fell down the reactor shaft.

This is the Star Wars: OT for my generation...I can only wonder what the next generation will have for their Star Wars.

 

[The Storm]

The next trilogy is one people compare other trilogies to, in terms of plot!!

 

[Drizzle]

I would say the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy was like the Star Wars of this generation. I'd say the "Pirates of the Caribbean" movies were more in the vein of the "Indiana Jones" movies.

 

[xwolverine2]

LOTR is the new SW... pirates is just a damn good trilogy.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Pirates>>>>PT

OT>>>>>Pirates


LOL @ the people saying LOTR is the next SW when LOTR came out close to a hundred years before SW. LOTR was the end all to be all fantasy tales long before Star Wars was ever thought of. But you guys have got to remember that a story will always be remembered most in it's original form. IMO, 30 Years from now, people will not be clamoring over Peter Jackson's Lord of The Rings films, but they will look at them as great films and still recognize the books as the greatest. Star Wars was a phenomenon that burst onto the pop culture scene and stayed there ever since. It was the most ground breaking film of all time. LOTR, on the other hand, was already there, it's been on this earth for over a hundred years, it's just that the films made the fire burn brighter and it became cool again.

Oh, and when The OT came out, they were all critically panned, especially ESB, because there was no ending. ANH was looked at as the best. I had read an article quite a while ago where this man had researched the original reviews of the Star Wars films, most of which were negative, and he had them evaluated into a rotten tomatoes like site, each had a score of 60% or less.

 

[The Kid]

Jimminy Cricket, It's Toy Story...

who cares about themes and similar story structure. This is about how much of a snowball effect it has. Whereas pirates will be forgotten at some point, toy story's remembered as the first cgi movie to start a whole new genre of the stuff.

Star Wars revolutionized summer blockbuster sfx filmmaking forever. Without it, there'd be no pirates, lotr, matrix, aliens... there'd just be star trek and star trek is boring.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Jimminy Cricket, It's Toy Story...

who cares about themes and similar story structure. This is about how much of a snowball effect it has. Whereas pirates will be forgotten at some point, toy story's remembered as the first cgi movie to start a whole new genre of the stuff.

Star Wars revolutionized summer blockbuster sfx filmmaking forever. Without it, there'd be no pirates, lotr, matrix, aliens... there'd just be star trek and star trek is boring.

LOTR films really revolutionized nothing.

And I hate Star Trek.

 

[Blai213]

I see where u are heading ... but no. POTC should never be mentioned in the same sentence as SW

 

[Mr. Socko]

I see where u are heading ... but no. POTC should never be mentioned in the same sentence as SW

Then why did you just mention it in the same sentence.


It's like telling someone to never say never right after you say it

 

[The Kid]

LOTR films really revolutionized nothing.

And I hate Star Trek.

Yeah, I mean come on, when someone's making robot chicken lotr, let me know...

And I like spock. his death made me cry in wrath of khan.