Punisher is going to take up Captain America Mantle (maybe, for a little bit)

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The Marvel Animals encoded spoiler review of CW#7 says the following:
"Poodle then removes her mask, drops it on the ground, and allows herself to be arrested and taken away with the mask retrieved by the Punish-hare."

And the May solit for PWJ #7 says:
PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL #7
The Story: BLOOD AND SAND, PART 2
“I want Frank Castle -- the scourge of the underworld -- to die in the Sonoma desert playing dress-up.” With that line, the all-new Hate Monger begins the execution ceremony of the Punisher -- and nothing will ever be the same. Massacre after brutal massacre along the border brought Frank to the desert, but what horrible things does he find hiding behind the killings? What atrocities could possibly drive Frank to don a new costume? And how could it all go so terribly wrong? The American dream continues to become an unholy nightmare for Frank and everybody else in his orbit.

Seems to me that the most logical conlusion, in light of his portrayal in Civil War and the fact that he will be fighting an old Cap villain, is that Frank will be donning the Captain America uniform. Obviously it'll just be temporary, but I wonder if it will have reprecussions in the rest of the MU. Discuss. Hate. Troll. Whatever, I just wanted to share my theory.
 
you know, they have been playing up frank's admiration for cap A LOT in the past few months.

geezus chris. you might be on to something.
 
That would explain Frank kissin up to Cap none stop in PWJ. I kind of like the idea. :(
 
I think what they mean by new suit is the suit Frank is wearing on the cover to #7.
 
This is......actually a horrible idea. They took a strong no nonsense character like Frank Castle and made him into a bigger suck-up than Iron Spidey/Peter Parker. I mean all he's missing is the "Yes Boss" to Cap. But as horrible as it is, it does make some Marvel sense.
 
This is......actually a horrible idea. They took a strong no nonsense character like Frank Castle and made him into a bigger suck-up than Iron Spidey/Peter Parker. I mean all he's missing is the "Yes Boss" to Cap. But as horrible as it is, it does make some Marvel sense.

i see what you're saying, but i think you've been infected with the "ennis flu".

the real punisher of the marvel universe is still a badass. he's still a pyscho. and he's still a murderer. but he's not a monster like the max title would have you believe. i mean for cripe's sakes, he was using "mercy bullets" for awhile.

i think the way frank looks up to cap just shows how important captain america is to the marvel universe.

he's superman. :up:
 
Don't forget this supposed spoiler is being said to be false, so just wait and see.
 
i see what you're saying, but i think you've been infected with the "ennis flu".

the real punisher of the marvel universe is still a badass. he's still a pyscho. and he's still a murderer. but he's not a monster like the max title would have you believe. i mean for cripe's sakes, he was using "mercy bullets" for awhile.

i think the way frank looks up to cap just shows how important captain america is to the marvel universe.

he's superman. :up:
Also the Max and Marvel Knight series are not in continuity with the rest of Marvel. They're actually years ahead. Whenever you see The Punisher in other books, he's actually quite younger while in MAX he's wrinkly as all getout. Think he's even depicted with grey hair sometimes.
 
Hahahaha!!!! Punisher as Captain America? Man, that sooo wouldn't happen.
 
Also the Max and Marvel Knight series are not in continuity with the rest of Marvel. They're actually years ahead. Whenever you see The Punisher in other books, he's actually quite younger while in MAX he's wrinkly as all getout. Think he's even depicted with grey hair sometimes.

if i'm not mistaken, the ennis/dillon marvel knights series WAS in continuity. or at least that's how it was intended and started out as.

the max series has always been out of continuity, but i've always assumed it to be a completely different universe all together.

by the way, i haven't followed the max series much, but have there ever been any guest appearances from other marvel characters? or is this universe hero-free?
 
i see what you're saying, but i think you've been infected with the "ennis flu".

Yeah, I've been infected since "Mother Russia", hard habit to kick

i think the way frank looks up to cap just shows how important captain america is to the marvel universe.
he's superman. :up:

And the last time he inspired somebody was when he was DEAD!! But really i think having characters like Logan and Castle repsect Cap is one thing, but idolizing him? Bit of a stretch, i thouhgt it was bogus having Frank not wanting to fight Cap back, the REAL Frank Castle (Confederacy of Dunces)would've had no problem swinging back especially if he's getting his butt handed to him. I think him wearing Cap's uniform would be nothing more than a psycological advantage against a formidable Cap opponent.
 
if i'm not mistaken, the ennis/dillon marvel knights series WAS in continuity. or at least that's how it was intended and started out as.

the max series has always been out of continuity, but i've always assumed it to be a completely different universe all together.

by the way, i haven't followed the max series much, but have there ever been any guest appearances from other marvel characters? or is this universe hero-free?

It's pretty much hero-free. Back to basics.

As for the Marvel Knights series, I don't think so. It took place in real time. This guy was still a vietnam veteran. His first appearance was in Spider-man while the guy was still in college. Parker has only aged about 8 years since then while Frank is god knows how old (in the MK and Max series anyway). The Punisher's books have been in real time while the rest of Marvel has not. Even Iron Man's origin has been updated to the Gulf War.
 
Yeah, I've been infected since "Mother Russia", hard habit to kick
And the last time he inspired somebody was when he was DEAD!! But really i think having characters like Logan and Castle repsect Cap is one thing, but idolizing him? Bit of a stretch, i thouhgt it was bogus having Frank not wanting to fight Cap back, the REAL Frank Castle (Confederacy of Dunces)would've had no problem swinging back especially if he's getting his butt handed to him. I think him wearing Cap's uniform would be nothing more than a psycological advantage against a formidable Cap opponent.

i could see that being the reason.

as for logan; i think he respects cap a great deal, but i doubt he gives two ****s whether the feeling is mutual or not.
 
The declassified solits also place PWJ under the Civil War fallout category. I think it would be odd if there was no closure to Frank's appearance in CW.
 
It's pretty much hero-free. Back to basics.

As for the Marvel Knights series, I don't think so. It took place in real time. This guy was still a vietnam veteran. His first appearance was in Spider-man while the guy was still in college. Parker has only aged about 8 years since then while Frank is god knows how old (in the MK and Max series anyway). The Punisher's books have been in real time while the rest of Marvel has not. Even Iron Man's origin has been updated to the Gulf War.
So would that make the original Punisher stories out of continuity too? I'm pretty sure "Welcome Back, Frank" and the rest of the MK Punisher stuff was in continuity, just with the understanding that instead of the Vietnam War, it was some unnamed war that happened to take place in a remarkably similar locale to Vietnam. You've just gotta fudge the details a bit, just like you'd have to do with everybody wearing bell-bottoms during the '70s, Nixon being shown as the president in some early Hulk comics, etc.

Also, is it official that the MAX series is out of continuity? I always just thought it was in continuity and Frank's older looks were artistic license.
 
17 posts and not one person has said it: Bucky Barnes.
 
I was kind of hoping Bucky would stay a rogue agent for a while longer. I like him as the unpredictable "other guy."
 
I don't get why characters like Punisher and Spidey always kiss Captain America's ass. Cap is an incredibly boring hero.
 
I was kind of hoping Bucky would stay a rogue agent for a while longer. I like him as the unpredictable "other guy."

I do too, but [blackout]it's likely Cap's imprisonment will last for a while and that leaves an ongoing without a main character.[/blackout].

I don't get why characters like Punisher and Spidey always kiss Captain America's ass. Cap is an incredibly boring hero.

You fail.
 
So would that make the original Punisher stories out of continuity too? I'm pretty sure "Welcome Back, Frank" and the rest of the MK Punisher stuff was in continuity, just with the understanding that instead of the Vietnam War, it was some unnamed war that happened to take place in a remarkably similar locale to Vietnam. You've just gotta fudge the details a bit, just like you'd have to do with everybody wearing bell-bottoms during the '70s, Nixon being shown as the president in some early Hulk comics, etc.

Also, is it official that the MAX series is out of continuity? I always just thought it was in continuity and Frank's older looks were artistic license.

That's Marvel for ya. When The Punisher first showed up in Spider-man it made sense what with how close they were to the Vietnam war and all. It was not too long ago. But now Spidey as aged only 10 years while in Frank's book he has aged by quite some time. Even in the Marvel Knights book. In the last issue of the MK series he mentions it has been 4 years since Welcome Back Frank (and it really was). To other marvel characters these 4 years should only be a couple of months. Weeks maybe (or guys like Spider-man would be god knows how old by now). But The Punisher comics since MK seem to take place in real time, aging him quite a lot. The only thing I can't explain are the appearances by Wolverine, Spider-man, and Daredevil. That's someone's screwup there. If the Punisher really takes place in real time then Daredevil should not have even been out there in costume but whatever.

And yeah, Max is officially out of continuity as well. Vietnam plays quite a big role in this one with how much he mentions it. It's like the whole series stems from "Born". If any Marvel characters show up in this that are not aged like they should be then I don't know what to say anymore.
 
Also the Max and Marvel Knight series are not in continuity with the rest of Marvel. They're actually years ahead. Whenever you see The Punisher in other books, he's actually quite younger while in MAX he's wrinkly as all getout. Think he's even depicted with grey hair sometimes.


Not completely true, since we know the Gargan Venom from MK Spider-Man is part of current continuity. I think you are right about the Max titles though.

I don't get why characters like Punisher and Spidey always kiss Captain America's ass. Cap is an incredibly boring hero.

Says the guy with a Goku Rules Sig.:whatever: :down
 
Not completely true, since we know the Gargan Venom from MK Spider-Man is part of current continuity. I think you are right about the Max titles though.

I don't mean The Marvel Knights in general. Just the Punisher. It makes sense though because Vietnam is quite in integral part of the character and it would be ridiculous to update it to the Gulf War or something just to make him younger.
 

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