Pyro vs. Human Torch

[unstoppable]

And about this if Johnny flamed on Pyro could control him like a ragdoll?

that's bullcrap he couldn't overwhelm Johnny in ways of pyrokinesis

 

[unstoppable]

Couldn't Pyro snuff out the fire Human Torch summons around him or directs at him? He (Pyro) could prevent Storm from 'Flaming On', right? so it would just come down to a hand to hand.

no he can only control fire if there's some to control

 

[Colossal Spoons]

First, people were underestimating Pyro's abilities, then we started making elaborate things up in his favor.

This fight would actually come down to a fireless fist-fight. HT flames on....Pyro would just flame him off as HE MANIPULATES FIRE. Pyro makes any HT attack useless and Johnny can take whatever Pyro would be foolish enough to throw at him.

Johnny would end up beating Pyro in a fist-fight.

 

[Eros]

isn't pyro freaking dead, Pyro should not be mentioned in the same sentence as HT lol. Im mean Pyro is a D-list character, whos only name to fame is being Magnetos cabin Boy in the X-men 3: the last stand.

 

[Arach Knight]

Ummm, did you just ignore my ealier post about Johnny controling actual temperature in conjunction with flame? Pyro has no immunity to high temperature. If Johnny went nova, that would be the end of the fight. Pyro would merely be burnt to death, by the intensity of the flame, long before he could control the fire. Johnny's nova flame is hot enough, to function even under water (in an issue of Amazing Spider-Man,Spidey teamed up with Johnny, to get Venom's aid. Venom began to drown Johnny in the ocean, and to get free, he nova flamed, since he could not actually flame on). Pyro loses. Plain and simple. I'm not talking if people are in "character." I'm merely talking about powers and potential...and to that effect, Pyro is ultimately outclassed.

 

[Parker]

Allow me to animate this fight for you through script.

Torch: Let's go, Aussie!

Pyro: ...Sure.

Torch: Flame on!

Pyro: No.

Torch: ...? Flame on!

Pyro: No.

Torch: FLAME ON!!!

Pyro: No.

Torch: ...%@&# this!

 

[Arach Knight]

Johnny eminates flame. He could not rob Johnny of the actual gentic mutation, that allows him to emit flame from his own body. Pyro can control flame as a physical manifestation, not as a creatable source...otherwise he would have to control various flammable gases, including oxygen, which he can't. At best, Pyro can syphon flame from Johnny, but he could not actually disable him from flaming on.

 

[ampersand]

This is so dumb, everyone debating about Pyro controlling Johnny's flame. Johnny is a vastly superior fighter and is undoubtedly aware of Pyro and his abilities, even if he has never fought him (I don't know if he has). Johnny stays flame-offed and kicks the snot out of Pyro.

 

[Fading]

isn't pyro freaking dead, Pyro should not be mentioned in the same sentence as HT lol. Im mean Pyro is a D-list character, whos only name to fame is being Magnetos cabin Boy in the X-men 3: the last stand.

...Pyro's been popular, atleast among X-Men fans, loooong before X3 . He was part of the brotherhood that went toe to toe and almost beat the avengers.

That said, I do see what The Question is saying, and not sure if you guys are or not. Pyro can make flames solid, as in they can physically grab stuff. There's an issue where he creates a firebird that physically grabs Wonderman and throws him so far away that he doesn't make it back until the end of the issue. What I think Question is saying is that Pyro can take Torch's flames and make something that can physically hold Torch and slam him around, he might be immune to flames but not getting slammed into the ground or buildings.


To me it all comes down to stamina. I think Pyro probably has better control as it's his specialty, but it's only what he can see within 100m. If Torch attacks him from the back Pyro has no defense. Thing I see taking Pyro out is a nova, but also remember that Pyro can not only control a flames density, but also can control it's heat and intensity. In other words it's debatable if Pyro can turn torch's nova into a fire the size of a match head. I don't think he can tho which is why I give the nod to Torch. Pyro has better control I think, but I think Torch has overall more power, he can probably pump out more fire than Pyro can control. BTW Pyro does wear a flame ******ent costume, not sure it'd protect him too much, but it would protect him from Torch's lesser attacks, and he's immune to all of his own fire attacks so if he turns all of Torch's attacks into his own (including nova), the flames wouldn't hurt him.

Edit - As to the above, Pyro can keep a flame alive I believe. If Torch started out flamed on and gave Pyro any ammunition then Pyro's got a fire entity at his disposal alrdy, Torch can flame off and Pyro would still have it. I think Torch would win still, but trying to keep it a bit more balanced and help Question some heh.

 

[Parker]

This is so dumb, everyone debating about Pyro controlling Johnny's flame. Johnny is a vastly superior fighter and is undoubtedly aware of Pyro and his abilities, even if he has never fought him (I don't know if he has). Johnny stays flame-offed and kicks the snot out of Pyro.

I might agree with that.

 

[unstoppable]

so this is like Joseph vs Magneto being Joseph being HT and Magneto being Pyro

Joseph has the power but not control and Magneto has the control but not power

 

[juggster-rules]

even pyro takes HT's flames HT can turn back into fire in a sec.

 

[Exploding Boy]

There is nothing, nothing Pyro can do to Johnny.

 

[The Question]

There is nothing, nothing Pyro can do to Johnny.

To physically harm him, no. But wether or not he could use Johnny's powers against him in other ways is debateble. Also, there's nothing Johnny can do to hurt Pyro (asside from punching him, of course). Pyro is imune to any fire within his line of sight.

 

[Exploding Boy]

To physically harm him, no. But wether or not he could use Johnny's powers against him in other ways is debateble. Also, there's nothing Johnny can do to hurt Pyro (asside from punching him, of course). Pyro is imune to any fire within his line of sight.

Not really true. He is only immune to it in the sense that he can stop it from hitting him. But if Johnny can make big enough flames the heat would still get to Pyro. The wont happen but Johnny can still kick the **** out of Pyro. And is Johnny immune to flame while flame-offed?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Pyro is imune to any fire within his line of sight.

No, Pyro is only immune to fire that he is actually controlling. Any fire that is not under his control will burn him as normal. If Johnny can retain control of any fire he can use it against Pyro.

 

[Exploding Boy]

And he is not even immune to fire he is controlling. Just "immune" in the sense that he can let the heat not get too close to him. So he is not immune at all

 

[Silicon Surfer]

He is immune to the fire and heat that he is controlling. In one scene Pyro is inundating himself in the fire and talks about the sensation of the fire " roaring through my heart ".

 

[Exploding Boy]

Hmm. Ok

Is HT immmune to fire all the time?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Yes.

 

[Exploding Boy]

Well then he doesn't even need to flame on

 

[Cyclops]

To physically harm him, no. But wether or not he could use Johnny's powers against him in other ways is debateble. Also, there's nothing Johnny can do to hurt Pyro (asside from punching him, of course). Pyro is imune to any fire within his line of sight.

"Pyro, no! Everytime you ignite yourself, you burn!"

 

[Cyclops]

Except, even if Jphnny can control fire to some degree, it's been pretty well shown that Pryo is vastly superior to him in this regard. Johnny fires a torrent of fire at Pyro, it bends around him. Really, judging by how much heat and fire Johnny can generate when he pushes himself, just being in the same room with him makes Pyro one of the most powerful people around.

Then he flames on, flies in close to Pyro and decks him out in hand-to-hand. Pyrokinesis or not, Allerdyce would fall hard to a torrent of flaming punches.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

There is a limit to how many different flame objects Pyros mind can keep track of. Johnny could simply keep attacking with fireballs and sooner or later they would add up to more objects than Pyro could keep track of. Once that happens an attack would get through and burn him.

 

[The Question]

No, Pyro is only immune to fire that he is actually controlling. Any fire that is not under his control will burn him as normal. If Johnny can retain control of any fire he can use it against Pyro.

And it's pretty aparant that Pyro is better at controlling fire than Johnny.

"Pyro, no! Everytime you ignite yourself, you burn!"

Mind telling me what that's from? Because, for all I know, you just made it up.