Pyro vs. Human Torch

[unstoppable]

What exactly is class five strength?

5 tons

 

[unstoppable]

Here is how I imagine the fight happening. Somehow Johnny gets into a battle with Pyra, maybe because the FF is fighting the Brotherhood.

Johnny knows that Pyro controls fire, but didn't realize that maybe Pyra can control Johnny's fire. He "Flames on" But Pyro starts controlling Johnny, since Johnny in in Human Torch form is living fire. Johnny is controlled very breifly before turning back to human. He has no choice but to fight Pyro with his fists. First he must level the feild and take Pyro's fire away. After a few near hits of flames and some shots of his own fire balls that Pyro catches in time and throws back at him, Johnny is able to get a shot in that destroys Pyros fire supply. Leaving Pyro without any fire to control.
Now Pyro has no choice but to fight physically, without powers, and then he is outmatched by Johnny.

no he's a man on fire

 

[The Question]

5 tons

Meh. I think the fact that Marvel, overall, majorly boosted all of their characters powers to insane levels was a bad move. The Hulk used to be alot less powerful than he is now. And in alot of ways, I kind of prefered it when he was.

 

[unstoppable]

Meh. I think the fact that Marvel, overall, majorly boosted all of their characters powers to insane levels was a bad move. The Hulk used to be alot less powerful than he is now. And in alot of ways, I kind of prefered it when he was.

"Hulk don't care Hulk strongest one there is!"

 

[The Question]

"Hulk don't care Hulk strongest one there is!"

That's nice, Hulk. I still think your upgrade to island toeing, time punching god of strength was pointless and ridiculous.

 

[unstoppable]

That's nice, Hulk. I still think your upgrade to island toeing, time punching god of strength was pointless and ridiculous.

"HUlk Smash!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Johnny pretty much outclasses Pyro in everyway. I would note the ability to go nova as key to who wins this match. I've seen Pyro control flames, but never make them as hot or as large as Torch can make them.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

no he's a man on fire

That's not true. Johnny and Bobby Drake both long ago transcended the "man covered by substance" status of their transformations. While at lower levels they control their powers to an extent where they simply cover themselves with ice/fire, after they pass a certain threshold they become fire/ice. You see Johnny's powers come from heat generated from within him, not from external sources. So the hotter Johnny gets the hotter his physical form gets. Even if he is "fire-resistent", meaning he doesn't burn, he still gets hot and has to generate enough heat to get that hot. Therefore his body must become like a star in essence, thus explaining his ability to go Nova.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Johnnys body remains solid and merely covers itself in flame.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Johnnys body remains solid and merely covers itself in flame.

No, it retains it's physical form but is in fact living flame. Similar to Bobby Drake, who becomes living ice. Only at primary, low level heat is he consumed.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Human_Torch_(Johnny_Storm)

 

[ShadowBoxing]

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Human_Torch_%28Johnny_Storm%29

They also say Speedball was killed in the explosion at Stamford .

They probably would like to conviently leave out the issues where Johnny has referred to his own powers as "living flame".

If you'd read the comics you'd also notice the hotter he becomes, the further the depth of plasma he produces. At his lowest level normal, you can see details within his costume, sometimes even a visible "4" symbol. At his hottest he loses almost all features right down to his face.

And actually if you want to get real technical, his flight makes no sense if it's just a covering.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

I have begun to suspect that comic book physics is not quite identical to ours. But you're right about the flight.

 

[Super Mark]

Even if you gave Pyro flamethrowers, a lighter, a can of gas and a match (sorry MM) and a box of sparklers, Torch still takes him.

It's like Torch has all of Pyro's powers plus more of his own. All at a typically higher level.

Oh, and BTW Fading, thanks for pointing out that this fight would take place when Pyro was alive. Really. That helped me with my decision.

Mark

 

[Super Mark]

Meh. I think the fact that Marvel, overall, majorly boosted all of their characters powers to insane levels was a bad move. The Hulk used to be alot less powerful than he is now. And in alot of ways, I kind of prefered it when he was.

Good point. Hey, have you heard this old one?
What do you call a Marvel character who is so overpowered their stories become repetitive and boring? Answer: A DC character.


Super Mark, er, I mean, Spider Mark

 

[Fading]

Even if you gave Pyro flamethrowers, a lighter, a can of gas and a match (sorry MM) and a box of sparklers, Torch still takes him.

It's like Torch has all of Pyro's powers plus more of his own. All at a typically higher level.

Oh, and BTW Fading, thanks for pointing out that this fight would take place when Pyro was alive. Really. That helped me with my decision.

Mark

Sarcastic remark aside, you'd honestly be surprised how many ppl say something like "Human Torch would win since Pyro's dead" or something stupid like that. The given is always that it's when the character was alive if their currently dead, but a lot of ppl don't get that for some reason, so thought I'd get it out of the way before 5-10 ppl posted "Dude he's dead, he'd lose".

 

[Arach Knight]

1)Bobby Drake did not ascend to any new level. White Queen took over his body, and SHE ascended him to a new level. If not for her, we'd still have classic bald look iceman.

2)Saying Human Torch is a man on fire, is debatable, beacuse it depends on if you are talking 616 or Ultimate. In the Ultimate universe, the fire is emitted, above the surface of his skin, so that he himself is not actually burning, even though fire is around him.

3)The Class strength in Marvel, is essentially a literal numeric system based around tons. Class 10 (Spider-Man's old strength level) would mean 10 tons. Class 15 (Spidey's new strength level) would indicate a 15 ton upper limit etc etc

4)I'd say Hulk has been grossly powerful ever since Secret Wars. The cover to an issue of it, stated that he was liftin a 150 billion ton mountain. By Marvel standards, that should make him inapplicable to their standard class system. Even the likes of Thanos, are supposed to only lift 100,000 tons, yet Hulk lifted (supported is a more accurate term) a 150 billion ton mountain. Personally, I think an object with that kind of weight, would have too much gravity to be lifted by a being such as Hulk, without the ability to fly...but meh. They are comic books

5)Yes, DC does have a lot of over powered beings, but I would hardly say that their stories are boring. If you say that, my only answer could be, "you don't read them." The whole "Superman's stories are boring becuase he is too strong" argument, lost it's legs years ago. Marvel has had more than it's share of over powered beings. Silver Surfer (who is more powerful than Superman, except for the fact that Superman is faster), Hulk, Magneto, Wolverine (recently regenerated from nothing but a skeleton). The shame list is long on both sides.

 

[Fading]

1)Bobby Drake did not ascend to any new level. White Queen took over his body, and SHE ascended him to a new level. If not for her, we'd still have classic bald look iceman.

Lol, anyone have the link to the Iceman respect thread on hand? Thougth we alrdy talked it to death that Iceman was doing advanced things before the Emma thing. Not to count he's learned a lot more since she left, so no we wouldn't still have classic bald look iceman, he just might have taken a little longer.

 

[Artistsean]

no he's a man on fire

I thought he turned into living flame. Didn't he say that after his first transformation?
I just checked it out and he is a man covered in fire. I always thought he was a man made of fire like Ice Man becomes a man made of ice.
It still doesn't make sence to me,

but my fight idea stays almost the same. Only know Pyro starts manipulating johnny's own fire with him inside, the finally rips it of him like a table cloth.

 

[3dman27]

Pyro can't create his own fire so gets owned by Human Torch

no more calls please we have a winner

 

[MajinShenron]

It'll depend on the circumstance. If Johnny Storm knew all he could do is throw flames, then he will be very cocky and not take it seriously. At that point, he would be able to manipulate the flames (like someone previously said). By that time, I dont see Johnny coming back to carry out the win.

 

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

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