Pyro vs. Human Torch

I just did some research on Wikipedia. Which I know most people here irrationally dislike, but it is a useful tool in these situations.

-Pyro is immune to flame he is controlling
-Pyro can only control fire within his line of sight
-He can control the degree and intensity of a flame
-He can control the size of a flame

Now most of those, are things we all took into account, but I was not aware that Pyro had total pyrokinesis. I assumed he could only manipulate size and shape...not heat and intensity. So to that, i'd have to change my vote. I believe the fight would now be a draw. I know everybody is on the "Johhny would beat him with his fists then" boat, but that seems to ignore the fact that Pyro always carries around two flamethrowers. Neither of them would be able to do anything, other than create a lot of collateral damage.
 
Arach Knight said:
I just did some research on Wikipedia. Which I know most people here irrationally dislike, but it is a useful tool in these situations.

-Pyro is immune to flame he is controlling
-Pyro can only control fire within his line of sight
-He can control the degree and intensity of a flame
-He can control the size of a flame

Now most of those, are things we all took into account, but I was not aware that Pyro had total pyrokinesis. I assumed he could only manipulate size and shape...not heat and intensity. So to that, i'd have to change my vote. I believe the fight would now be a draw. I know everybody is on the "Johhny would beat him with his fists then" boat, but that seems to ignore the fact that Pyro always carries around two flamethrowers. Neither of them would be able to do anything, other than create a lot of collateral damage.

Suppose Johnny just melts Pyro's famethrowers...not enough to cause them to explode (in effect, killing him), but just enough to, say, fuse the nozzles together? Then Pyro has no choice but to fight physically.

Lol, Johnny doesnt even have to flame on to shut Pyro down! :woot:
 
Since Johnny has been shown controlling more objects at the same time than Pyro has it it obviously Johnny that has the superior control of fire. Pyro not only can't generate fire on his own he is also not as good at controlling it. The fact that it is all Pyro can do does not make him as good as the Torch. He is simply outclassed on every level.
 
CaptainStacy said:
Suppose Johnny just melts Pyro's famethrowers...not enough to cause them to explode (in effect, killing him), but just enough to, say, fuse the nozzles together? Then Pyro has no choice but to fight physically.

Lol, Johnny doesnt even have to flame on to shut Pyro down! :woot:

Johnny has to flame on to melt Pyro's flamethrower. And the explosion wouldn't kill him, since, as it has been said before, he is imune to fire.
 
The Question said:
And it's pretty aparant that Pyro is better at controlling fire than Johnny.



Mind telling me what that's from? Because, for all I know, you just made it up.

Factor X # 1.

Now before you say "It's an alternate reality, so it doesn't count", NONE of the rules for how the mutants' powers worked were changed for the Age of Apocalypse.

And I wouldn't trust a Wikipedia entry any further than I could heft and throw Roseanne Bar. Anyone can write a Wikepedia entry. And do you really think they bother to fact-check on comicbook characters?
 
He would stilll be killed because he is not immune to the blast force of the explosion.
 
Cyclops said:
Factor X # 1.

Now before you say "It's an alternate reality, so it doesn't count", NONE of the rules for how the mutants' powers worked were changed for the Age of Apocalypse.

Actually, Pyro's powers were altered. Mr. Sinister gave Pyro the ability to generate his own flames, but for some strange reason he wasn't immune to the flames he generated. He is, however, immune to all other flame.
 
That too. While being ripped apart by the blast force and the shrapnel he would not be able to control the flames so he would get incinerated as well. :)
 
The Question said:
Johnny has to flame on to melt Pyro's flamethrower. Not really he can increase the heat of obhects just by looking at them And the explosion wouldn't kill him, since, as it has been said before, he is imune to fire.Only if he's controling it
get yer facts straight:woot:
 
unstoppable said:
Not really he can increase the heat of obhects just by looking at them

Since when?

unstoppable said:
Only if he's controling it

And he controls any fire within his line of sight.
 
So where is evidence then that he is immune to fire?
 
!)I've seen academic text books that have incorrectly stated facts and have typos. I am no longer of the elitest mind set that Wikipedia is inherently wrong, just because it can be written by anybody. Yes that is true, but, everything you read, can be written by "anybody." Since not every book is written by a PHD, I have to assume at some point, that a person is being unreasonable. Unless people start pulling exact quotes and counter points, to prove Wikipedia wrong, I have little reason to disagree. I remember once stating that Hulk can lift 150 billion tons (stated by Wikipedia to be the heaviest object he has lifted, which is true, because it can be read in Secret Wars) and they argued with me, not about his upper limit, but about the fact that it is Wikipedia. So that's all i'll say on that. If you don't trust Wikipedia, fine, but i'm not a comic historian, so I have to draw the knowledge from some where that isn't selling me back issues.

2)If Johnny melted Pyro's flamethrowers, wouldn't that require him to partially flame on, or to project flame, which could be controlled by Pyro? That logic is completly faulty. Now if you said he could destroy the nozzles with say...physical trauma, that is possible, though Johnny would still have the task of getting next to Pyro.
 
Okay people. Pyro has 2 options- use fire or physical force. Fire--Johnny is immune to--flame on or off. Physical fore--Johnny can kick the **** out of Pyro. There is no dispute here :dry:
 
People have only proven that Johhny is a capable fighter...that doesn't have bearing against Pyro, until it can be confirmed that he is an incompetent fighter.
 
The Question said:
Since when?

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The Human Torch has the ability to mentally control the ambient heat energy within his immediate environment, even when he himself is not aflame. He can reduce objects' temperatures (if they are in a normal range for existing on Earth's surface) to about 30 F, raise them to several hundred degrees, or extinguish open flames. His radius of influence is about 80 feet. The heat energy he takes from the environment is absorbed into his own body. If he takes in a critical amount while he is not aflame, he will become aflame. There are unknown limits to the amount of flame he can absorb into his own body harmlessly while he is himself aflame
 
I seem to remember something about Johnny abosrbing the heat of re-entry after the baxter building got blown into space (again... Is this a weekly thing for doom or something?) Anyway, after they were low enough in the atmosphere Johnny had to go supernova due to the heat absorbed. Is there a limit to his heat/flame absorbtion and if so could Johnny just exude heat, not fire, at Pyro? Either way I still say HT takes this one...
 
Human Torch flies, so he drops a heavy object on Pyro. End of story arc.
 
Yes the Torch can radiate heat from his body without flaming on. He used this tactic early on after being doused with water to dry himself off. He also was able to generate enough heat to cause the ocean around him to boil when submerged during a battle with Namor. There is also no evidence to indicate that Pyro can take control of the Johnnys flame in the first place since it is already under the control of the Torch.
 
unstoppable said:
The Human Torch has the ability to mentally control the ambient heat energy within his immediate environment, even when he himself is not aflame. He can reduce objects' temperatures (if they are in a normal range for existing on Earth's surface) to about 30 F, raise them to several hundred degrees, or extinguish open flames. His radius of influence is about 80 feet. The heat energy he takes from the environment is absorbed into his own body. If he takes in a critical amount while he is not aflame, he will become aflame. There are unknown limits to the amount of flame he can absorb into his own body harmlessly while he is himself aflame

Okay, this is the type of **** that Marvel does all the time that pisses me the **** off. They slowly increase their characters power levels until they're basically gods. Johnny started out as simply being able to generate and project fire. Now, he's the bloody god of heat. Same thing with Wolverine.


Anyway, none of this proves that he'd beat Pyro, as Pyro is also immune to fire. It would be a stalemate.
 
Actually Johnny has been controlling fire and heat for 40 years now. It's nothing new. Pyros sheet in the Master Edition Handbook says that he is a poor hand to hand combatant.
 
A lovely claim, but nothing we can personally verify, unless you have ISBN numbers and page numbers. I too believe it would be a stalemate.
 
Here is how I imagine the fight happening. Somehow Johnny gets into a battle with Pyra, maybe because the FF is fighting the Brotherhood.

Johnny knows that Pyro controls fire, but didn't realize that maybe Pyra can control Johnny's fire. He "Flames on" But Pyro starts controlling Johnny, since Johnny in in Human Torch form is living fire. Johnny is controlled very breifly before turning back to human. He has no choice but to fight Pyro with his fists. First he must level the feild and take Pyro's fire away. After a few near hits of flames and some shots of his own fire balls that Pyro catches in time and throws back at him, Johnny is able to get a shot in that destroys Pyros fire supply. Leaving Pyro without any fire to control.
Now Pyro has no choice but to fight physically, without powers, and then he is outmatched by Johnny.
 
The Question said:
Okay, this is the type of **** that Marvel does all the time that pisses me the **** off. They slowly increase their characters power levels until they're basically gods. Johnny started out as simply being able to generate and project fire. Now, he's the bloody god of heat. Same thing with Wolverine.


Anyway, none of this proves that he'd beat Pyro, as Pyro is also immune to fire. It would be a stalemate.
Some need to grow with age

Like Thing he wouldn't be that much of a bruiser with Class 5 strength would he?
 
unstoppable said:
Some need to grow with age

Not really, no.

unstoppable said:
Like Thing he wouldn't be that much of a bruiser with Class 5 strength would he?

What exactly is class five strength?
 

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