Quentin Tarantino's Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

[Black Narcissus]

What repellent behavior. That doesn't strike me as misogynistic behavior so much as entitled "I'm a director so do it!" behavior, regarding the stunt. What is more damning along gender lines is he wanted to be the one to spit on her.

I don't think it will ruin his career, nor do I think it should. But it does confirm Tarantino has a monstrous ego that will step on people if it gets in the way of his vision. Which is not exactly a shock.

Yup. Folks often forget that he had a writing partner on Pulp Fiction. Now go read what his relationship was like with him. lol

 

[DarthSkywalker]

We might not know just how reckless he has been on his other movies though. The actors may have done stunts that they thought were fine. Only the stunt coordinators on his movies could really tell how much of a pattern it is with him.

Like his choking a woman himself.

 

[jmc]

There is an argument to be made he might not be aware of just how many risks he’s taking with his crew in order to get the film he wants, especially if people have gone along with many of the shots over the years. We’ll have to wait a response if he gives one.

 

[DACrowe]

The most likely fallout is his insurance on his movies are going to skyrocket.

Margot Robbie might drop out. She might not. Depends how good the role is. She doesn't want to be in the position Kate Winslet was where she was forced to defend Woody Allen on Wonder Wheel (not that I think Tarantino is comparable to Allen, who for that matter is not really comparable to Polanski given the murkiness of Allen's case, and Polanski is doing fine... but either way it is a bad PR look for Winslet that she seems to regret).

I imagine the movie gets made. This is terrible publicity, and confirms he is a selfish monster in many ways. But I simply do not seeing this derailing his career, and he'll issue an apology and then they'll stay quiet for most of the rest of 2018, keeping their head down until people stop caring. But who knows, maybe the times really are changing?

 

[redhawk23]

There is an argument to be made he might not be aware of just how many risks he’s taking with his crew in order to get the film he wants, especially if people have gone along with many of the shots over the years. We’ll have to wait a response if he gives one.

It's his job to know. That's the point. Him being ignorant due to being coddled by his power and lack of accountability is exactly the problem.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I read again the incident on that Landis set. Sweet lord. So tragic. How the hell did he not end up in jail? Jennifer Jason Leigh's dad was one of the victims.

Because investigation and court didn't find him guilty?

 

[redhawk23]

Because investigation and court didn't find him guilty?

Criminal court didn't but in the civil case he had to pay for wrongful death.

Just like with the police abuse cases, this is usually the extent to which powerful white men are held responsible for the wrongful deaths they cause.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Because investigation and court didn't find him guilty?

Civil case only.

Landis had various stunt crew tell him not to do the stunt at all. Not to shoot at night to begin with and not to block the scene with the actors that way. Vic Morrow and 2 children lost their lives. Helicopter chopped off their heads just cause Landis decided to go on with the shot.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Like his choking a woman himself.

You have to imagine that he'd have never suggested spitting in DiCaprio's face or choking him.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I read none of those were the case of the tragedy. It was the copter's malfunction. Not stunt work itself or director's actions.

 

[OutOfBoose]

You have to imagine that he'd have never suggested spitting in DiCaprio's face or choking him.

I think I saw actors spitting on each other countless times in movies.

 

[jmc]

It's his job to know. That's the point. Him being ignorant due to being coddled by his power and lack of accountability is exactly the problem.

What he should know and what he's aware of are two different things. Even the most consciously aware person on the planet is prone to slip up with their behaviour from time to time. Like it or not some people need to be flat out told when they are crossing a line, you can't just give hints, sometimes you've got to just lay it out flat and be direct because like it or not a lot people aren't always aware of their own behaviour. It's even more important to speak up when you're dealing with a person with obsessive tendencies like Tarantino.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I think I saw actors spitting on each other countless times in movies.

I'm talking about him basically stepping in to be the one to do it for his own personal gratification.

 

[Man in the Suit]

So Uma Thurman is alleging that Tarintino forced her to do a car stunt for Kill Bill that left her permanently damaged.
There are other things. I wonder if this will affect this at all https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/...ry.html?referer=https://t.co/3KI4YYryAt?amp=1

And then he went and made Death Proof. Wow...

 

[Boom]

Maybe that retirement will actually happen after all.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm talking about him basically stepping in to be the one to do it for his own personal gratification.

Yeah. Maybe there are some stories out there, but I don't remember hearing Tarantino doing these kind of things with his male stars.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I'm talking about him basically stepping in to be the one to do it for his own personal gratification.

Are we sure it was exactly like that? Or it's a speculation similar to "I accused Quentin of trying to kill me"?

 

[jmc]

I think you have to be very careful about not confusing what someone is wanting from their art and what they actually want to do.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I'm not confusing anything because I can't get inside QT's head. So I'm not taking any side. Are we sure he wanted to hurt UT? Any evidence?

I think the main offence is that QT participated in the deal to keep the footage of the crash away. Well, UT finally got it and what is she going to do with it outside publishing an article? Sue QT? They look like friends.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I find the fact that he risked her life to get the shots he wanted to be disturbing. At the end of the day its just a movie. No shot or scene is worth someone's life or physical and mental health.

 

[TheVileOne]

I mean lots of legendary and acclaimed directors are infamous for mistreating their actors and treating them roughly and not making sure they were taken care of and safe on set.

See Stanley Kubrick, Alfred Hitchcock, etc. Not sure it was as far as or similar to this case, but there have been well documented incidents.

I mean go back and look at Wizard of Oz, all sorts of things that were massively unsafe in that production.

 

[redhawk23]

Are we sure it was exactly like that? Or it's a speculation similar to "I accused Quentin of trying to kill me"?

What speculation? Tatrantino insisted on doing the spitting and strangling scenes himself.

 

[jmc]

Creative people take all sorts of crazy risks sometimes just to capture that perfect moment. It can get obsessive.

 

[jmc]

What speculation? Tatrantino insisted on doing the spitting and strangling scenes himself.

That doesn't mean he's looking to personally injure someone. Directors get hands on all the time in their shots to make it look right in their minds. You can't just make assumptions that because someone personally had a hand in creating the shot they have ill will towards the actor or stuntman or whoever.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Tarantino is a huge ******* with a huge ego and crossed a line with an actress. What he did was awful and wrong and you can't excuse that. What the hell would have happened if it was worse than those injuries? It was irresponsible and could have lead to a Midnight Rider situation. Tarantino put his ego and power over the safety of his friend. And spitting on her? Yeah, pretty awful Quentin. You have your head so far up your ass look where it gets you. I love his movies but you can't defend this.

I hope he apologizes publicly and learns something and these directors have more accountability for pulling stupid **** like this. This is what happens when you go unchallenged, it comes out like this and it makes you look worse. And someone can finally can challenge him and say this type of behavior isn't tolerated for directors to treat their talent. Maybe Robbie or Leo will walk a way and I won't shed a tear. Then I will move on. He deserves some punishment here, but to ruin his entire career? Not really. Unethical? Yeah. Criminal? It could have, but it ultimately wasn't, but we shouldn't ignore the situation that could have brought that. Unless this is a consecutive David O. Russell type of situation I'm not putting him in director jail like Russell who time and time again is an abusive little **** head **** and it's widely known and who keeps getting away with this stuff and people reward him for it. Yes, I am making a distinction between a one time incident 15 years ago and a consecutive offender like Russell. There's a difference. Both are egotist *******s, except one is known to hold power over people on numerous occasions.

As far as I know, I'm marking that up to a terrible deed on Tarantino's end that he should apologize for. He has to own up to it as a bad deed, not a mistake because he probably didn't see it as either. The thing is, if you can get away with that once, who's to say it can't happen again and hasn't happened before or after? It's always possible, but since we don't know that I'm not using that as a full condemnation. Though I don't blame people for wondering that. If Tarantino was able to own up to his Weinstein complicity (unlike most people who hid under rocks), then he can own up to this. These people shouldn't be nor are victims of their lack of self awareness though. There is something disturbing how an environment can be had where you can't challenge someone like Tarantino to not do that. This isn't something that should be swept under, but not something that should totally ruin someone. I've known people who are abused by big people in the business, yet I think dealing with it should be more of a matter of confronting them and telling them to stop so they can learn, not ruining their whole lives unless they keep doing it. I'm talking more stuff like this and emotional and verbal abuse, not Weinstein stuff.

It's consistent with his past behavior for forgoing people who have helped in his success. He's his own biggest fan and that's always been his biggest problem and if it leads to stuff like that then that needs to stop.