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Quentin Tarantino's Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

I enjoyed it for the most part especially pitts scenes which were the most tense ones in the movie. Leo did the more acting centric stuff which he did flawlessly with such a range of emotions.

Now to the bad stuff:

The movie felt bloated at times like tate watching her movie for 10 minutes or leo and olyphants bar scene and too some degree leo going to italy. Definitely would have cut pitt vs lee right away, just a throwaway scene. We got that the producers wifes didn't like pitts character on set just from kurt confronting him on the golf cart.
 
Man I loved the movie! It was such an amazing dark comedy. Amazing cast and a brilliant performance by Leo. Brad was amazing the the finale.
 
Loved, loved, loved this movie. Been a bit late to the party because it was released last thursday here in Brazil. Totally worth the wait, though. Tarantino's most contemplative movie. I'd put it on his top 3, alongside Inglourious Basterds and Pulp Fiction. The movies/TV shows inside the movie are fire, as is DiCaprio's performance, his best work yet and so much better than the one which got him his Oscar. Tarantino himself is long overdue his directing award.

Now, let me just present you folks this question: on a scale of 1 to 10, how much is this movie live-action BoJack Horseman? And that's not a jab at the movie, as I also love BoJack. It's just that the character of Rick Dalton is pretty much BoJack through and through: faded Hollywood star who got famous for an extinct TV show, blew his career and now moans and drinks to much. There's even this shot with him floating in the pool which could be straight out of BoJack. Just a thought that I wanted to see if you people shared with me.
 
I appreciate the effort and the vision of Cutthroat Island, but it's a film where nothing on screen goes right. It's a movie where you appreciate the details more.

Thank you. That movie sucked and Renny Harlin is a hack. No wonder Geena Davis kicked him to the curb after he kinda destroyed her career with that and The Long Kiss Goodnight.
 
Thank you. That movie sucked and Renny Harlin is a hack. No wonder Geena Davis kicked him to the curb after he kinda destroyed her career with that and The Long Kiss Goodnight.

I actually like Renny Harlin though. :funny: Especially The Long Kiss Goodnight. He's a step below the great action directors but the man always had a vision. His Alien 3 sounded a lot better than what we got. I know that's not saying much, but again, he had a specific vision for it.
 
I actually like Renny Harlin though. :funny: Especially The Long Kiss Goodnight. He's a step below the great action directors but the man always had a vision. His Alien 3 sounded a lot better than what we got. I know that's not saying much, but again, he had a specific vision for it.

Didn't know he was going to make Alien 3 but his movies have generally been between mediocre and awful to me. Cliffhanger is the only one that I would say is pretty good, and even that movie managed to piss me off back in the day because it didn't include that amazing stunt they featured in ALL the marketing. And Die Hard 2 is fun enough but the whole coincidence angle takes it into STOOPID territory.

I also love that he was still milking those two movies like 20 years later when marketing his new films because those are the only two that he ever did that people liked."FROM THE DIRECTOR OF CLIFFHANGER AND DIE HARD 2... REMEMBER THOSE MOVIES? YOU LIKED THEM RIGHT? ANYWAY, HERE'S KELLAN LUTZ AS HERCULES." Anyway, I just had to throw my disdain for him out there because I get sick of how movie fans these days seem to revise history and praise garbage just because it used practical sets and they hate Marvel movies or CGI or whatever. Like, it's fine if you hated Endgame, but that doesn't make Cutthroat Island any thing more than a boring piece of ****.
 
Finally saw this today and thought it was okay. Much too bloated and the dialogue didn't necessarily have the... zip, that we're used to from QT. Dug the story overall, loved Leo and Pitt (the latter being my favourite) and my goodness, that cinematography, production design and even sound design were just magnificent.
 
Finally saw this today and thought it was okay. Much too bloated and the dialogue didn't necessarily have the... zip, that we're used to from QT. Dug the story overall, loved Leo and Pitt (the latter being my favourite) and my goodness, that cinematography, production design and even sound design were just magnificent.

Those are my thoughts exactly. QT did an AMAZING job of immersing us in 1969 and I could’ve lived in that world forever but I just didnt feel any plot momentum whatsoever or the usual Tarantino tension and fun B movie violence except for the very end where it felt completely tacked on because QT felt obligated to give the audience SOME action rather than a natural organic build to a bloody climax.
 
Those are my thoughts exactly. QT did an AMAZING job of immersing us in 1969 and I could’ve lived in that world forever but I just didnt feel any plot momentum whatsoever or the usual Tarantino tension and fun B movie violence except for the very end where it felt completely tacked on because QT felt obligated to give the audience SOME action rather than a natural organic build to a bloody climax.

Yeah, this is how I felt. Tarantino wrote two great characters in Cliff and Rick, but half the time he didn't seem to know what to do with them (I swear, a full hour of this movie is just people driving around LA listening to the radio) and then it was like he just had to throw the Manson gang in there to fill the Obligatory Tarantino Violence Quota. Sharon Tate isn't even a character in the movie; she's just like this angel who floats by periodically so we can gawk at how pretty Margot Robbie is, and that's basically it.

Also, the scene where she watches the real Sharon Tate didn't work AT ALL. Robbie and Tate don't look enough alike to pull that off, and if you're one of the many people out there who isn't all that familiar with Tate's work, that scene was probably confusing as hell (and it ultimately ended up being completely pointless, just like Tate and all of the characters around her ended up being). The "twist" ending of the film really hammers that home, as the one thing throughout the film that
should have impacted her--the Manson gang--doesn't. And that part I don't mind, really... doing a "historical fantasy" or whatever this was is an interesting concept but it still just makes you wonder why they even devote any time to her at all. Because Tate and the rest of her crew don't have any bearing on the main story of the film, and Tarantino doesn't even seem interested in them. They're just kind of... there. Robbie herself is completely wasted; she's basically asked to look pretty, dance a few times, and indulge Tarantino's foot fetish.

Anyway, I felt like Tarantino just wanted to make a buddy dramedy about a struggling, has-been actor and his stuntman buddy, but he felt like he had to throw in gratuitous violence at the end because "he's Tarantino." The scene was entertaining as hell and the movie has some truly great parts (highlights for me were the tense visit to the Spahn ranch and Dalton filming his Lancer episode) but ultimately, it kinda felt like a movie that never really went anywhere.
 
Meh. Leave it as a movie Tarantino.

His Hateful Eight Netflix re-edit ruined the pace of the movie, IMO.
 
Meh. Leave it as a movie Tarantino.

His Hateful Eight Netflix re-edit ruined the pace of the movie, IMO.

I actually freaking love Hateful 8 but i cant bring myself to watch the extended cut, i feel like its just going to be incredibly long and laborious to sit through. The theatrical cut is just the right amount deliberate pacing for me.
 
I'm missing this in cinema. :csad:
 
So is this film still in theaters? Did it have a good first two weekends then drop off drastically? Curious.
 
So is this film still in theaters? Did it have a good first two weekends then drop off drastically? Curious.

No, it’s one of Tarantino’s biggest hits just behind Django currently (non inflation of course).
 
I wish Jack played Marvin Shwartz
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Other than it being bloated, I think my biggest criticism of the movie is that Pacino was wasted.
 
Major Spoilers:

After a summer filled with Disney remakes and pointless sequels that left me asking what the hell happened to movies, one of our best filmmakers currently working has released his new film. Of course the filmmaker I am talking about is Quentin Tarantino and his new film is Once Upon A Time…In Hollywood. Once Upon A Time is a throwback to the kind of movies made before blockbusters and comic books took over. It is a film with star power in front and behind the camera that tells a story about real people. Not literally real(well in this case, sort of), but everyday folks who could exist. In other words, they don’t have lightsabers or wear capes. Nowadays, most big productions are stories with capes and superpowers, while stories about real people are told by obscure directors with obscure actors. This makes it quite fitting that a movie like Once Upon A Time…In Hollywood comes out now.

In many ways, the current state of movies is as much a part of Once Upon A Time…In Hollywood as the 1960s. It tells the story of Rick Dalton and Cliff Booth, a washed up actor and his stuntman, trying to keep their place in the quickly changing movie industry. The Old Hollywood Studio System was dying while newer, younger, hipper artists inspired by foreign cinema were slowly taking over Tinseltown. By 1967, The Graduate had brought sex to American movies like never before and Bonnie and Clyde had done the same for violence, but Classic Hollywood wouldn’t completely die and give way to the American New Wave until 1969, with the release of films like Midnight Cowboy, The Wild Bunch and, most importantly, Easy Rider. Easy Rider gave La La Land to the counterculture and the Dennis Hoppers and Jack Nicholsons had no interest in giving it back to the John Waynes and Jimmy Stewarts.

This is where our hero, Rick Dalton, comes in to play. After the popularity of films like Easy Rider, leading men became long-haired, androgynous counterculture icons, the opposite of Rick, a John Wayne Man’s Man. So naturally, Rick’s popularity declines and guys like Steve McQueen, Clint Eastwood, Charles Bronson and Lee Marvin get the few man’s man leading roles left.

Time is passing Rick by. He’s still trying to be a cowboy while audiences have moved on to hippies. The melancholy that comes from Rick’s depression over the changing of eras and his dwindling career seems to reflect Tarantino’s own feelings on how movies have changed in today’s world. Tarantino is one of the few directors who still shoots on film. He makes original films over the current trend of IP based blockbusters. He doesn’t allow cell phones on his sets. For all intent and purposes, Quentin Tarantino could have been the exact same Director if he was born in 1943 instead of 1963. However, with everything going digital and moving to streaming, even he must wonder if modern audiences will soon grow tired of his old school ways. Keeping these things in mind, along with the fact that The Hateful Eight(his previous film) was one of his weakest financial successes, it starts to make sense why he’s talking retirement. Perhaps he, like Rick, feels like a man out of time. More on this later.

Films weren’t the only thing changing in 1969. Something else happened in 1969. On August 8th, 1969, four hippies belonging to the cult later known as “the Manson Family” broke into the house of acclaimed director Roman Polanski and current “It Girl” Sharon Tate and murdered everyone in the house, including Tate and her unborn child. This has now been deemed “the night the ‘60s died”. The ‘innocence’ of the 1960’s were dead. In all reality, we know the 1960’s weren’t necessarily any more or less “innocent” than any other time period, but the change in culture and how we perceived the culture changed in the 1970s. They would bring things like the Kent State Massacre, the Summer Olympics in Munich, a slew of infamous serial killers and of course Watergate.

Why was the culture perceived differently in the 1970’s than the 1960’s? Vietnam, Civil Rights riots, and The Kennedy Assassination certainly weren’t innocent. However, television and cinema weren’t really commenting on the state of the country in the 1960’s. The 1970’s would be very different. TV was gritty and American Movies were no longer fairytales. They had sad endings. They had realistic endings. Gene Hackman’s Popeye Doyle loses in The French Connection. So does Jack Nicholson’s Jake Gittes in Chinatown. Cinema had gone gritty and realistic. It was time for a new era. A less “innocent” one. And it needed new leading men. Can you imagine Jimmy Stewart playing Michael Corleone in The Godfather? We come back to Rick Dalton’s failing career. It is connected with the loss of “innocence” in Hollywood. Therefore, his career is connected to Sharon Tate.
Tarantino treats Tate as an almost Angelic figure throughout the film. She’s portrayed as caring, sweet and fun. All of her scenes are an absolute delight and Margot Robbie deserves a lot of credit. The decision to intertwine a day in the life of Sharon Tate with Rick Dalton and Cliff Booth’s story is genius. No matter how innocent her scenes are, there’s a certain sense of dread and impending doom you feel when she’s on screen. It’s a reminder of what’s going to happen. And when that happens, Hollywood will have fully lost its innocence and Rick Dalton will officially lose his career. It will die when Classic Hollywood dies and the final nail in the old system’s coffin, symbolically at least, is the brutal murder of Sharon Tate.

But what if the night of August 8th, 1969 went differently? What if Sharon Tate didn’t die? The symbol for both lost innocence and an end of an era wouldn’t happen. Therefore, the era wouldn’t end. Maybe Hollywood could still use Rick Dalton. Maybe he stars in a Roman Polanski film.

If the Manson Murders don’t happen, there’s also never a moment of lost innocence. Specifically talking about Tarantino, who was a six year old boy living in LA when the Manson murders took place, he has said that those events scarred him and made him look at the world differently, even at 6 years old. Along with everyone else, his innocence was taken that night. What if he could go back to that innocent six year old boy? Once Upon A Time…In Hollywood is about the end of an era and about two middle-aged artists struggling to accept that their time is over. Perhaps Tarantino, a middle-aged artist, made this movie now because he sees cinema at another end of an era. Streaming and digital have changed things. The world may not want Tarantino the same way the new era of the 1970s doesn’t want Rick Dalton. If only Tarantino could go back in time and stop whatever caused the world to move on from him, but he can’t. Real life doesn’t work like that. But fairytales do. Movies do. In Rick’s case, he does get to stop the event that causes time to pass him by. Rick and Cliff stop the Manson Murders from ever happening, which in turn allows the moment deemed “the death of innocence” to never happen, allowing a six year old Tarantino to keep his innocence and allowing Rick to continue his career…and live happily ever after.

And yet the whole point of Once Upon A Time…In Hollywood is that none of that possible, except in movies. In reality, we all get old, times change and we lose our youth and innocence.
Tarantino can’t regain his youth or innocence nor can he singlehandedly bring Hollywood back to where it once was. Perhaps this is why he’s contemplating retirement. In a way, he made a whole movie about his childhood and his impending retirement all in one. I, for one, hope he doesn’t retire. I hope he steps back and takes Cliff’s advice: He’s Quentin ****in’ Tarantino.
 

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