Sequels Question for those who didn´t like the movie...

[deemar325]

SUPERMAN: you cant stop me now, luthor!

LUTHOR: oh really? well this chunk of Cingular Wireless Kryptonite says other wise, Super-Dork.

SUPERMAN: ARGH! NO! Not Cingular brand kryptonite, thats the strongest brand of them all, and their phones have a clearer reception then my super hearing, all for a low monthly price!

LUTHOR: thats right superman! give up! you lose! and losers go home with nothing, while winners gets to f**k the prom queen!

SUPERMAN: Lana was the prom queen, Cue Ball!!


LUTHOR: Who's Lana?!

SUPERMAN: the woman right behind you...with a Capital One Low-Interest Rate Chunk of Lexonite!

LUTHOR: ARGH! NOT LEXONITE! IT WILL MAKE ME FAIL!

LANA: Bad guys always fail, Luthor! in fact, the only think you'll ever succeed at is going to jail! prison jail!

Heh!

 

[dude stannis]

I'd shake Chris Nolan's hand and pimp slap Singer. t:

I'd do the opposite. Then I'd taker Goyer out to the parking lot, put three bullets in his head and dump his body in the nearest dumpster.

 

[superbaby]

Not saying Bay couldn't do it, but it would be totally devoid of what those who grew up with these characters expect in the way of characterzation. Bay doesn't give a crap about things like that. It will be pure camp.

granted, bay might not give much development on each of the characters, but he will not add shhhiiit into them as well (like singer did). concentrate on the plot, kicking ass actions, you can't ask more than that... ya, and a hot, sexy wonderwoman. just like in transformers.

 

[Motown Marvel]

granted, bay might not give much development on each of the characters, but he will not add shhhiiit into them as well (like singer did). concentrate on the plot, kicking ass actions, you can't ask more than that... ya, and a hot, sexy wonderwoman. just like in transformers.

i can ask for a competent story.

man, i just pictured how bad bay would f**k up a wonder woman movie.

 

[Wolfman]

... Let´s say, hypothetically - and there are lotsa statements pointing in that direction - that the sequel to SR fills all or most of these items...

- It has more action and actual superhero/supervillain fight scenes
- It has a popular villain from comics that hasn´t been used on the movies yet, like Brainiac, Darkseid or Doomsday
- It´s shorter and tighter
- It has less emphasis on romance and the kid thing
- It has less scenes and plot points that pay homage to Donner

Before you say, "Singer´s not gonna do that", or "I want a reboot", remember that a lot of statements from Singer and the writers point in that direction and that a reboot in the short term is not a realistic scenario right now. Above it all, speaking just hypothetically, if the sequel has those elements, would you be open to give Singer a second chance and look at MOS without preconceived negativity?

I'd like to say no, f*** Singer, but I got hyped about FF 2, so I would propably get hyped about this one too. Allthough I haven't seen FF2, I've read only negative things about it. And Galaktus being a cloud pretty much tells you if you want to see it or not. I don't.
So I say REBOOT Superman's ass! I had a mancrush on Brandon Routh during the SR hype, but I'm affraid he has to go, along the rest of the cast and crew. SR is so screwed up. I don't think the sequal could fix things.

 

[deemar325]

Alright I out ltr

 

[manofsteel4life]

lets be careful not to turn this thread into "what would you rather see, MOS or JLA"...enough of that crap is going on elsewhere and it wasnt the intentions of this topic.

but singer and crew has admitted to planning for the changes posted by the topic starter. i think singer is well aware of the criticisms, recognized the flaws of SR and is willing to work to remedy them in the sequel. and i dont see how anyone could really say "this is what i didnt like about SR" then not go see the sequel where all the things they didnt like are fixed....i mean, isnt that what you wanted? im thinking a lot of people here are gonna be turned off by singer returning, then once they get a whiff of what he's producing down the line, they'll slowly become interested and check it out.

i agree

 

[Matt]

fair enough.

i guess to me it seems: what the topic starter posted were most peoples general issues with the film and the reasons they didnt like it. which would mean, if those issues were remedied, then it'd theoretically be a good film that they'd enjoy. so, if those issues were sorted out in the sequel, then the sequel would be a good film (given everything else worked). and despite your feelings on SR, if MOS is a good superman film, dont you want to see it?

No, I don't. Not in theaters anyhow. I am not invested in the characters or the story line. No matter how much they fix, they are still tied to the original and have to address these characters and issues. Being as I did not like it, I am not going to spend 10 dollars to go to the theater and see it.

 

[buggs0268]

... Let´s say, hypothetically - and there are lotsa statements pointing in that direction - that the sequel to SR fills all or most of these items...

- It has more action and actual superhero/supervillain fight scenes
- It has a popular villain from comics that hasn´t been used on the movies yet, like Brainiac, Darkseid or Doomsday
- It´s shorter and tighter
- It has less emphasis on romance and the kid thing
- It has less scenes and plot points that pay homage to Donner

Before you say, "Singer´s not gonna do that", or "I want a reboot", remember that a lot of statements from Singer and the writers point in that direction and that a reboot in the short term is not a realistic scenario right now. Above it all, speaking just hypothetically, if the sequel has those elements, would you be open to give Singer a second chance and look at MOS without preconceived negativity?

They messed up once badly. As long as that suit is still there, s**tcan thm all and lets do it right with JLA.

 

[buggs0268]

SUPERMAN: you cant stop me now, luthor!

LUTHOR: oh really? well this chunk of Cingular Wireless Kryptonite says other wise, Super-Dork.

SUPERMAN: ARGH! NO! Not Cingular brand kryptonite, thats the strongest brand of them all, and their phones have a clearer reception then my super hearing, all for a low monthly price!

LUTHOR: thats right superman! give up! you lose! and losers go home with nothing, while winners gets to f**k the prom queen!

SUPERMAN: Lana was the prom queen, Cue Ball!!

LUTHOR: Who's Lana?!

SUPERMAN: the woman right behind you...with a Capital One Low-Interest Rate Chunk of Lexonite!

LUTHOR: ARGH! NOT LEXONITE! IT WILL MAKE ME FAIL!

LANA: Bad guys always fail, Luthor! in fact, the only think you'll ever succeed at is going to jail! prison jail!

Wow. This is so not funny. I mean WOW. That really stunk.

 

[ultimatefan]

Your argument is 100% the same that the HULK fans had for a couple of years till they had to face the truth. And that movie even made enough money to warrant a direct sequel but still never got one. But keep up the hope if it makes you feel better.

Your other "points" are hardly anything important like the rest used from that time. The display of Clark and Superman is "backwards" to what I (and many others) since the 80s grew up on reading and watching on tv. It's Singer's vision of the characters of Clark/Superman that killed my interest in the whole movie beforehand. I don't want Clark to be a useless disguise. In SR, Clark is a hollow nothingness and has a about 0,0% need to appear on screen whatsoever. The love story is solely about Superman and Lois, Clark is just an entity without meaning, hence why no one cared that he returned. That's exactly what the pre crisis lacked of and what was corrected later in a very successful way. Hence why they even made a tv show based on Lois and Clark and had huge success with it.
DC didn't give Clark a real characterisation just for fun. It was necessary the same way it was to have Lex doing intelligent things instead of goofing around, wearing wigs or screaming "WROOOOOOOONG!" in people's faces.
Sure he still ends up in jail in the end, he's the villain, it's his job to fail. But how he fails is the most interesting thing in every story. A story about a hero without a worthy villain is boring. And with that I mean muscles and intelligence. That's were most comic hero movies fail.

The introduction of the kid just gave Singer's story the rest. There's no way to redo all the mistakes in a direct sequel.

Except I have FACTS to back up the notion that SR wasn´t as disliked as Hulk, the most important one the fact that writers ARE working on the SR sequel and there´s even a general shooting and release schedule. Hulk didn´t have any of these one year after its release.

The rest of it is basically a matter of opinion and I disagree with most of it and I already debated it to death.

 

[ultimatefan]

And by the way, this thread isn´t about Michael Bay... And I wouldn´t give him to direct a movie about Brother Power The Geek, much less any iconic superheroes. The first hour of Transformers was the worst thing I saw in theaters this year by a landslide.

 

[GreenKToo]

I can push you off the fence if you like.

J/K

I actually liked the cast of the movie, but I think that Bryan Singer and his writing team just do not get superman, the way they got x-men, I really enjoyed the x-men movies they worked on, but superman just did not work in my opinion. I just think with new writers and directors the series is salvagable but with the same people I just don't know.

actually, I think a J.L. is more possible at this point than a S.R. sequel. who knows though, we may not get either one for a few years.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

... Let´s say, hypothetically - and there are lotsa statements pointing in that direction - that the sequel to SR fills all or most of these items...

- It has more action and actual superhero/supervillain fight scenes
- It has a popular villain from comics that hasn´t been used on the movies yet, like Brainiac, Darkseid or Doomsday
- It´s shorter and tighter
- It has less emphasis on romance and the kid thing
- It has less scenes and plot points that pay homage to Donner

Before you say, "Singer´s not gonna do that", or "I want a reboot", remember that a lot of statements from Singer and the writers point in that direction and that a reboot in the short term is not a realistic scenario right now. Above it all, speaking just hypothetically, if the sequel has those elements, would you be open to give Singer a second chance and look at MOS without preconceived negativity?

No. The fact of the matter is there are storylines he set up in SR that he must follow up on for the SR sequel. I have absolutely zero interest in any of those. I don't care about how Lex and Kitty will get off of that island, I could care less how the whole who's your daddy storyline will play out and I don't care about how Superman plans on getting involved in the life of Jason. I found none of the characters too likeable(yes, that includes Superman) with the exception of Richard. Even if we get more villains, and more action and a tighter story than the first one, certain events from the first film must be followed up on, and for me, will bring the movie down significantly. So, it is virtually impossible for me to go into MOS without any preconceived negativity.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

why does he think they dont have a plan? of course they have a plan.

I bet you that plan was majorly changed after SR's performance at the boxoffice.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Not saying Bay couldn't do it, but it would be totally devoid of what those who grew up with these characters expect in the way of characterzation. Bay doesn't give a crap about things like that. It will be pure camp.

Agreed.

 

[megatron01]

I think many people like me still recall the bad taste we got from the first movie. People don't want to have a second drink after the bad taste from the first drink. SR2 will suffer from the same syndrome FF2 suffered from whether they improve it or not-nobody cares. It would be a miracle to save the 2nd movie.

 

[Qwerty©]

Wow. This is so not funny. I mean WOW. That really stunk.

buggs: The Man Without Tact.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

No, I don't. Not in theaters anyhow. I am not invested in the characters or the story line. No matter how much they fix, they are still tied to the original and have to address these characters and issues. Being as I did not like it, I am not going to spend 10 dollars to go to the theater and see it.

You pretty much sum up my opinion.

 

[afan]

........would you be open to give Singer a second chance and look at MOS without preconceived negativity?

No,......... fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.

 

[Super Kal]

No,......... fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.

 

[Lightning54SC]

No,......... fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.

understandable...

but to the others who havent tried this... rip the movie and make your won.... i recreated my own version and actually it ties very will in with superman 1 and 2.... it makes alot more sense the kid isnt his... the stalker scenes are out... theres footage added in, alot of the scenes have been removed or been moved to ther spots that make more sense...

 

[Mike22]

... Let´s say, hypothetically - and there are lotsa statements pointing in that direction - that the sequel to SR fills all or most of these items...

- It has more action and actual superhero/supervillain fight scenes
- It has a popular villain from comics that hasn´t been used on the movies yet, like Brainiac, Darkseid or Doomsday
- It´s shorter and tighter
- It has less emphasis on romance and the kid thing
- It has less scenes and plot points that pay homage to Donner

Before you say, "Singer´s not gonna do that", or "I want a reboot", remember that a lot of statements from Singer and the writers point in that direction and that a reboot in the short term is not a realistic scenario right now. Above it all, speaking just hypothetically, if the sequel has those elements, would you be open to give Singer a second chance and look at MOS without preconceived negativity?

No. Singer had the chance of a lifetime to make a truly great and Iconic superman movie, But he chose to follow to follow his own desires instead.
He should have listened to what the fans were asking for the first time around so that things would never get to the point where the fans will have to choose whether or not to give him a second chance.

Speaking only for myself, what Singer did in SR can`t be fixed int the sequel no matter how much action there is.
The fact that superman has that damned bastard child is never gonna change, and that storyline is destined to continue in the sequel and that basically says that it`ll just be SR with more action.

And there are far more things that bother me as well about Singers version of superman.
I like routh on a personal basis but I hate his superman look, basically his physical appearance. He just looked really wrong to me, and then there`s that ridiculous thing they call a superman suit.
and these are just a very few of the things that really bother me, combined with all the other things that people usually complain about when it comes to this movie.
some people might like the movie and that`s fine,. but I have more than enough of reasons to Not expect anything good from the sequel.

 

[ultimatefan]

No. Singer had the chance of a lifetime to make a truly great and Iconic superman movie, But he chose to follow to follow his own desires instead.
He should have listened to what the fans were asking for the first time around so that things would never get to the point where the fans will have to choose whether or not to give him a second chance.

Speaking only for myself, what Singer did in SR can`t be fixed int the sequel no matter how much action there is.
The fact that superman has that damned bastard child is never gonna change, and that storyline is destined to continue in the sequel and that basically says that it`ll just be SR with more action.

And there are far more things that bother me as well about Singers version of superman.
I like routh on a personal basis but I hate his superman look, basically his physical appearance. He just looked really wrong to me, and then there`s that ridiculous thing they call a superman suit.
and these are just a very few of the things that really bother me, combined with all the other things that people usually complain about when it comes to this movie.
some people might like the movie and that`s fine,. but I have more than enough of reasons to Not expect anything good from the sequel.

Speaking for myself, I deeply disagree with a lot of what the fans were asking Singer to do. To reboot the franchise and make another origin story, which was the most frequent request, that´s the absolute last thing I had any desire to see. Call Donner´s movie "pre-crisis" all you like, his telling of the origin is a piece of magnificent awe and epicism I don´t think ANY other version came even close to.

Whenever I hear of the "damn bastard child" thing I feel like I´m back in 1955 and America is watching Father Knows Best again.

People forget, but in 1980 it was a HUGE deal that Clark gave up on his powers for lois and slept with her. It was Earth-shattering. These days, I hardly find fans who complain too much about it (and Donner´s version has that too, only not in the same order).

 

[Mike22]

Speaking for myself, I deeply disagree with a lot of what the fans were asking Singer to do. To reboot the franchise and make another origin story, which was the most frequent request, that´s the absolute last thing I had any desire to see. Call Donner´s movie "pre-crisis" all you like, his telling of the origin is a piece of magnificent awe and epicism I don´t think ANY other version came even close to.

Whenever I hear of the "damn bastard child" thing I feel like I´m back in 1955 and America is watching Father Knows Best again.

People forget, but in 1980 it was a HUGE deal that Clark gave up on his powers for lois and slept with her. It was Earth-shattering. These days, I hardly find fans who complain too much about it (and Donner´s version has that too, only not in the same order).

Yeah, well that`s you. I personally hated SR from begining till end and I would like nothing more than a complete restart with brand new actors to do their part justice. Not just one they hired because they looked like Chris Reeve.
Bosworth was damn near horrible, Frank Langella did ok with the lousy material he was given ( but that`s just not what Perry white`s supposed to be like).
I liked Sam Huntington and James Marsden though, probably the best thing about the movie.

Like I said in my post earlier. I don`t mind that other people liked it, hell, like till ya`ll blue in the face, but I personally hated it.
Superman returns 2 isn`t a sure thing yet, and until they officially announce that it`s gonna happen, I`ll be having high hopes for the JLA movie. Even though I really don`t want that movie just yet, just about anything but singers crappy movie seems better at this point.