Rambo

[Movies205]

So you determine whether a film has been a success on any level by it's BO gross.
Wow, and to think I wasted my time trying to engage you in debate.

Box Office does not gauge whether it's good or not, however it can gauge whether or not a film is popular and if people liked it. Now Rambo was well marketed, people knew it was coming, and it opened decently enough and then dropped like a stone. What does that mean? It means people saw it and didn't think it was that good. Now the truth is the violence was great, the script is not any damn good, and as such people didn't feel like spending there money on it. The same goes for Jumper, bad script but great special effects. So again let me repeat if this is so good why did it fail?

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Did you say that Rambo was a failure? Who would have thought. I expected this,how much did it make..and how much did people expect?

 

[Figs]

Box Office does not gauge whether it's good or not, however it can gauge whether or not a film is popular and if people liked it. Now Rambo was well marketed, people knew it was coming, and it opened decently enough and then dropped like a stone. What does that mean? It means people saw it and didn't think it was that good. Now the truth is the violence was great, the script is not any damn good, and as such people didn't feel like spending there money on it. The same goes for Jumper, bad script but great special effects. So again let me repeat if this is so good why did it fail?

Simple, I doubt it needed bad word of mouth to have reached the small amount of money it made.

It was most likely the bad taste from the over the top cheesy Rambo III. I'm sure a lot of people(not counting young kids who most likely haven't seen any Rambos)saw this and felt either too little too late or just laughed thinking about the last film...Rambo III.

 

[Movies205]

Did you say that Rambo was a failure? Who would have thought. I expected this,how much did it make..and how much did people expect?

Failure is a bit strong but it amazes me how people keep saying "WHY WASN'T IT A BLOCKBUSTER" "OMG THIS FILM WAs SO AMAZING" And then you tell them the reason and there so oblivious which is that it wasn't a good script. Now okay "YOU" can watch a movie with a bad script because it has the name Rambo, that doesn't mean the general public holds the same opinion and they don't. However like I said I liked it and enjoyed it but just because I like a movie doesn't mean it doesn't have faults.

 

[Hunter Rider]

A very Hard R with niche' appeal that cost $50M to make has made $67M WW, that is a win and got Sly a 2 picture deal.

 

[Movies205]

Simple, I doubt it needed bad word of mouth to have reached the small amount of money it made.

It was most likely the bad taste from the over the top cheesy Rambo III. I'm sure a lot of people(not counting young kids who most likely haven't seen any Rambos)saw this and felt either too little too late or just laughed thinking about the last film...Rambo III.

Tell me then why did Rocky Balboa make 70 million and Rambo only made 40, both of which had terrible last installments? Its because Rocky Balboa had a decent script(predictable but decent) and was received well by critics and the public. The truth is Rambo is cheesy and has terrible dialog and structure.

 

[Movies205]

A very Hard R with niche' appeal that cost $50M to make has made $67M WW, that is a win and got Sly a 2 picture deal.

A Hard R is Niche? '300' anyone? People will buy anything if its "good". Come on hunter, I know you, and respect your opinion but your going sit here and tell me Rambo had a good script?

 

[Hunter Rider]

Tell me then why did Rocky Balboa make 70 million and Rambo only made 40, both of which had terrible last installments? Its because Rocky Balboa had a decent script(predictable but decent) and was received well by critics and the public. The truth is Rambo is cheesy and has terrible dialog and structure.

Nah, one was a feel good Pg-13 with a loveable underdog, the other was a brutal and sadistic Hard R that had nowhere near the wide appeal of Rocky Balboa.

 

[Figs]

Tell me then why did Rocky Balboa make 70 million and Rambo only made 40, both of which had terrible last installments? Its because Rocky Balboa had a decent script(predictable but decent) and was received well by critics and the public. The truth is Rambo is cheesy and has terrible dialog and structure.

Sorry word of mouth doesn't work that fast with a film that isn't grade A material. It's opening weekend was far from great.

I think people just from the trailer knew if they were going to see it or not before any good/bad word of mouth. So basically, I wasn't expecting it to ever pick up from good word of mouth.

Although the last installment of Rocky may have been bad as well...it was still about a boxing match, IE: a little more plausible/realistic/relatable.

The last Rambo was so over the top it was the reason, not the first two, why a number of spoof films started making fun of it.

I'm not saying Balboa didn't have a better script then Rambo IV, just that people made up their minds during/after the trailer.

 

[Hunter Rider]

A Hard R is Niche? '300' anyone? People will buy anything if its "good". Come on hunter, I know you, and respect your opinion but your going sit here and tell me Rambo had a good script?

300 was totally unique and nothing like the brutality of Rambo, a character that was last seen 20 years ago in a dumb blow em up movie that failed. Was the script good ? I thought it was typical of the Rambo movies, lots of dialogue of the Stallone kind, the type he has in all his films, just like the dialogue in Rocky Balboa, it's cheesy but not always untruthful. My only issue was the mercs, I didn't feel they were needed and just cluttered things up but they were ok.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Glad you liked it Hunter.


First Blood is somewhat introspective for a Rambo film, has the best story and my favorite setting. Parts II and III are like OTT cartoons.
II I like- III I think is kinda stupid. Then the new film is a complete contrast to the 80's films being more realistic and restrained.

Part II tries to mix huge action with some character and continue on with the path of part I, Rambo 3 is pretty silly but has some amazing action sequences.

I like how in the new film Rambo finally excepts who he is and how the end of the film mirrors the beginning of First Blood.
It's odd because Sly says he would like to do another Rambo film, but from the ending of Rambo it looks like the wrap up to me since his story has come full circle.

I would like to see him and his father, see their ranch under attack from land owners or some such enemy.

 

[Movies205]

300 was totally unique and nothing like the brutality of Rambo, a character that was last seen 20 years ago in a dumb blow em up movie that failed. Was the script good ? I thought it was typical of the Rambo movies, lots of dialogue of the Stallone kind, the type he has in all his films, just like the dialogue in Rocky Balboa, it's cheesy but not always untruthful. My only issues was the mercs, I didn't feel they were needed and just cluttered things up.

The dialogue is horrid and was more interested in preaching than a good story. Don't get me wrong I enjoy the violence, I just can't get how people could even class this as a good story.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The dialogue is horrid and was more interested in preaching than a good story. Don't get me wrong I enjoy the violence, I just can't get how people could even class this as a good story.

I didn't think the dialgoue was any worse than RB or any of the other Rambo's, it was typical of Stallone, I thought the story was basic, pretty much A to B but it did at least showcase the horrors that are going on there and i didn't see preaching, i saw truth, preaching would have been offering some naive solution and ideal way out, Rambo told it like it was, leave as many of them dead as you can b/c the only way anything will get done is through violence and in the end he accepted that he is an implement of that violence that is required.

 

[The Dark Defender]

The dialogue and the story were fine, and preaching about the most little known human rights violation on the planet is kind of important, and it's already started having the impact that Sly intended. This film was hardly made just for the purpose of enjoying violence.
The story was as much about Sarah saving RAMBO internally as it was about him saving her literally, the film did a great job of seeing what's become of RAMBO and where he has to go from here in addition to a simple but very effective and perfectly executed survival film.

It didn't sink like a stone, it did quite well on the weekdays actually; and of course a sickeningly graphic war film (which 300 was not) isn't going to make what PG feel good movie is.

The mercs were important, they showed the difference between people that save lives because it's the right thing to do, and those that do it because it's just a job.

 

[Red Mask]

Failure is a bit strong but it amazes me how people keep saying "WHY WASN'T IT A BLOCKBUSTER" "OMG THIS FILM WAs SO AMAZING" And then you tell them the reason and there so oblivious which is that it wasn't a good script. Now okay "YOU" can watch a movie with a bad script because it has the name Rambo, that doesn't mean the general public holds the same opinion and they don't. However like I said I liked it and enjoyed it but just because I like a movie doesn't mean it doesn't have faults.

Have you heard any claims that the press have issues with Sly? And in Britain one of the theater chains refused to play it, perhaps due to the personal problems they have with the distributing company.

 

[Red Mask]

What he so needs to do now for the 5th film is a solid strong more First Blood toned down action/slightly guerrilla warfare type pic where he follows with his original idea... like say he becomes close to some mexican immigrant he helps out and they become friends or something, almost like she's a daughter to him, and then suddenly one day she's been kidnapped and he has to go due south to kick some mega ass down south only to find out that there are actually some americans behind the whole kidnapping (whatever intricate plot you want) and then he has to bring them all down and save his "daughter.."

I think that would be an incredible plot for a 5th film, more guerrilla warfare, him dealing with things in the US and how he struggles to live lief at home

So what you're saying is the next film should have issues more closely related to U.S. affairs?

 

[Red Mask]

300 was totally unique and nothing like the brutality of Rambo, a character that was last seen 20 years ago in a dumb blow em up movie that failed. Was the script good ? I thought it was typical of the Rambo movies, lots of dialogue of the Stallone kind, the type he has in all his films, just like the dialogue in Rocky Balboa, it's cheesy but not always untruthful. My only issue was the mercs, I didn't feel they were needed and just cluttered things up but they were ok.

I never bothered with 300. But the mercs in Rambo were okay. Before it was usually American servicemen. With the peculiar setting of that film mercs were very ideal to reflect off Rambo's veteran character.

 

[Hunter Rider]

http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/854/854985p1.html

Rambo Dropped by Odeon Cinemas
Action flick denied No.1 spot in UK.

by Orlando Parfitt, IGN UK





UK, February 27, 2008 - Rambo was denied its spot at the top of the UK box office this week, following Odeon's refusal to show the film in any of its UK theatres.

The reason for the extraordinary snub is unclear. In an official statement, the cinema chain - the largest in the UK - claimed the decision was down to "commercial reasons". They said: "As the UK's largest cinema chain, Odeon offers its guests a wide range of film genres to appeal to many different audiences. As such the decision not to screen Rambo will free up screens to show alternative popular new films such as Jumper, Be Kind Rewind and Juno."

What these "commercial reasons" could be are unclear however. Whilst the film wasn't a huge smash in the States, it still opened at number one and has taken over $40m since, meaning its profitability prospects in the UK were robust.

Rambo was controversially dropped by Sony.


It has been rumoured that the real reason for the snub was a breakdown in negotiations between Rambo's distributor Sony and the cinema chain, with the dispute revolving around the share of the profits from the film.

Indeed Phil Clapp, chief executive of the Cinema Exhibitors Association, told The Times yesterday: "Odeon haven't pulled the film, they have refused to show it. It's very rare for this to happen with a film of this profile. I understand that Odeon were not happy with the terms the distributors were asking." There has been no official comment on this however.

Rambo did make a strong showing in other theatres, grossing £2.5m and coming in at number three, although if it had been on display on the Odeon's 100+ screens it surely would have topped the UK chart.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Damn that sucks .
It has just opened in Holland and god did it kick major ass. While it does have the 80's OTT action , it isn't dumb.
To use SImpsons as an example , they haven't made a McBain movie.

 

[matrix_ghost]

TRAILER FOOTAGE!!!

http://www.aintitcool.com/multimedia/AICN-JOHN-RAMBO2.mov

OMG it is MUCH GORIER THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE... the technical values look awesome but so grotesque and realistic...

This was posted on May 19th 2007. This was the moment everyone finally began looking forward to Rambo 4.

It went from "*yawn* Old Man Stallone making Rambo 4 to OMG R RATING FOR THE F***CKING wins , HOLY **** , DAMN I'm LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS MOVIE...."

 

[Kanon]

mediocre or bad dialogue doesn't make a bad story. Sure, the dialog is nothing to praise, but the story of Rambo is of an above average intelligence, about the violence of the world, and how people (Rambo, the misioner, the audience) react to it by denial... I think the message didn't get to most of the audience, not used to thinking while watching movies.

IMO it's the 2nd best movie I have seen this year, right after Sweeney Todd

 

[Dangerous]

Box Office does not gauge whether it's good or not, however it can gauge whether or not a film is popular and if people liked it. Now Rambo was well marketed, people knew it was coming, and it opened decently enough and then dropped like a stone. What does that mean? It means people saw it and didn't think it was that good. Now the truth is the violence was great, the script is not any damn good, and as such people didn't feel like spending there money on it. The same goes for Jumper, bad script but great special effects. So again let me repeat if this is so good why did it fail?

Rambo did not 'fail' by the goals which created it.
You need to understand this.

Sly wanted to produce a realistic war movie which answered the question of what happened to Rambo, and also convey the brutality of the situation in Burma. He filled the brief in both of these areas and contained these two elements inside an exciting action movie.

This means that as a creative work the film is a success.

The artistic merit is the first and most important area in which any film can be judged. Was it a good film or not? BO figures can only be seen as a secondary area in which a film's success can be determined.

This second area is important- movies are a business after all, but in no way does this supersede the value of the film on it's own as a piece of cinema. We are not talking about an Independent Day style piece of summer trash here. Rambo is the resurrection of a film series that has been gone for 20 years and because of it's graphic violence it was never going to do huge numbers.

Get over it.

Another reason it might not have killed at the BO is because the film is a continuation of what some may view as a rather outdated character from a bygone era. Either way I don't care. As a genre film for the fans, Rambo is f**king amazing, and in contrast to yourself and others I think the script was good.

 

[Dangerous]

Tell me then why did Rocky Balboa make 70 million and Rambo only made 40, both of which had terrible last installments? Its because Rocky Balboa had a decent script(predictable but decent) and was received well by critics and the public. The truth is Rambo is cheesy and has terrible dialog and structure.

Wrong.

It's actually because Rocky was an everyman story and people can relate to the underdog scenario. Rambo is a cold bastard, and not only that- but Rambo is seen as a relic of the cold war and the eighties. By contrast Rocky is timeless.

 

[bullets]

Rambo is a pessimist . How can we not relate to that. Also Rambo 4 kicks ass and it's for fans of Rambo. If you don't like it your not a fan Rambo don't see the movie.

 

[bullets]

Also what is going on in Burma is nothing new . People who think this is violent here is a news flash : The movie is alot tamer compared to the atrocities that are happening .

I'm tired of hearing people whimper about the violence. Yeesh!