Rambo

[steintym]

Not getting defensive at all, just explaining why I enjoyed it. I wasn't looking for a deep, thought-provoking film. I just wanted, and expected, a great action film. With that in mind, I think it delivered.

Also, I was just pointing out that anyone going to a Rambo movie with high expectations of great dialogue or charater developement probably wasn't paying attention. To your point, that's probably why it hasn't done huge numbers (althought pretty good for a January release) at the Box Office. People wanting that, or needing that, probably just stayed away.

I still really enjoyed it and would highly recommend it to anyone looking for an enjoyable movie with tons of action.

 

[MisterOCD]

I saw this the other day. I thought it was the best in the series since First Blood.

 

[Movies205]

Not getting defensive at all, just explaining why I enjoyed it. I wasn't looking for a deep, thought-provoking film. I just wanted, and expected, a great action film. With that in mind, I think it delivered.

Also, I was just pointing out that anyone going to a Rambo movie with high expectations of great dialogue or charater developement probably wasn't paying attention. To your point, that's probably why it hasn't done huge numbers (althought pretty good for a January release) at the Box Office. People wanting that, or needing that, probably just stayed away.

I still really enjoyed it and would highly recommend it to anyone looking for an enjoyable movie with tons of action.

I don't get what so hard about good dialog? Like why can't Rambo have this? And more importantly why is it excused from having it? You act like having decent dialog is something extremely hard and is only reserved for certain movies. Had Sly simply given it to another script writer or even revised it himself, the movie could of been more enjoyable and better for it. The same goes for character development, it doesn't need to be earth shattering or anything but like I said look at Bad Boys 2 which I love. Your presented with a simple story but the action is enhance by that story. While I love the action in Rambo, what about the times when there isn't action? Like the first 20-30 minutes? It provides for a luke-warm experience at least for me and I can't really recommend it to many.

 

[steintym]

I can appreciate what you're saying, but to be honest, I'd didn't find the dialogue that distracting. No, it wasn't great, but I didn't find it that completely horrible either. Part of that, I'm sure has to do with me accepting the movie for what is was. I'm not sure that great dialogue would have enhanced the movie beyond what it was, at least for me.

 

[Rac]

Opened yesterday in here Finland and I went to see it. Rocked. Though I wanted something more. Dunno what. 4/5

People clapped after the movie. Very nice.

 

[echostation]

kick ass film... went to see it again...

problem is though the 1st half is just downright ****... I can't believe Stallone actually wrote this trashy first half after giving such excellent scripts and dialogues in the rocky films... it's like wtf was he doing here in terms of dialog, it was ****in horrible.

The second half was just amazing... Although I wanted him to do more action instead of just get on that mounted machine gun... I wanted him going in more with other guns, or like a massive fist/knife fight with like 10 other burmese soldiers coming at hime one after the other as he slaughters each one or punches them and slams em into trees (like Wolverine in X-men 3 in that forest fight when he's running around stabbing people)... i wanted to see more of that action... the action was still not as much as i hoped

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

I agree. Rambo didn't do much in the film. Really besides that arrow scene, any one of those soliders could have done what he did.

 

[Dangerous]

I don't get what so hard about good dialog? Like why can't Rambo have this? And more importantly why is it excused from having it? You act like having decent dialog is something extremely hard and is only reserved for certain movies. Had Sly simply given it to another script writer or even revised it himself, the movie could of been more enjoyable and better for it. The same goes for character development, it doesn't need to be earth shattering or anything but like I said look at Bad Boys 2 which I love. Your presented with a simple story but the action is enhance by that story. While I love the action in Rambo, what about the times when there isn't action? Like the first 20-30 minutes? It provides for a luke-warm experience at least for me and I can't really recommend it to many.

More enjoyable for you maybe.
I think First Blood had a 'good script', but after that point Rambo films became known solely for the action and as a fan of the genre I'm more than happy with that.

I have yet to see the film, it got a UK release on Friday and I'm going tonight to scope it out, but a script can only be relative to the situation unto which the characters are placed and also the types of characters we are dealing with.

For e.g.- If it was a film about homeless people, who says it should have an thought provoking script? Maybe the events that transpire in such a film would be the stuff that would make the audience think, but the conversation between the characters would be pretty boring and mundane. If the set pieces in the film carried a significant message and delivered it effectively the film would be a success.

Perhaps the dialog between characters in Rambo is not thought provoking or even entertaining, but why should it be?
Sly wanted to make a film that realistically depicted the brutality of war, nothing else.
If he has done that- he has filled the brief.

 

[Movies205]

More enjoyable for you maybe.
I think First Blood had a 'good script', but after that point Rambo films became known solely for the action and as a fan of the genre I'm more than happy with that.

I have yet to see the film, it got a UK release on Friday and I'm going tonight to scope it out, but a script can only be relative to the situation unto which the characters are placed and also the types of characters we are dealing with.

What exactly are you even saying? A movie needs a good script no matter what, depth does not equal a good script, Bad Boys 2 is not deep but it is a good script.

For e.g.- If it was a film about homeless people, who says it should have an thought provoking script? Maybe the events that transpire in such a film would be the stuff that would make the audience think, but the conversation between the characters would be pretty boring and mundane. If the set pieces in the film carried a significant message and delivered it effectively the film would be a success.

People are in denial since they keep construing good as thought provoking and what's more hilarious is that Stallone sets it up as a thought-provoking movie with his cringe inducing dialog about morality.

Perhaps the dialog between characters in Rambo is not thought provoking or even entertaining, but why should it be?
Sly wanted to make a film that realistically depicted the brutality of war, nothing else.
If he has done that- he has filled the brief.

I would of prefer the characters to just shut the hell up since they are written so poorly it detracts from the film, its that simple, it has nothing to do with the script being deep or thought provoking.

 

[Dangerous]

Movies- I'm popping out now to go watch it.

Catch ya later.

 

[bullets]

I just watched rambo 3 today and i don think it's that bad. It is a little better than i remembered .

 

[steintym]

The second half was just amazing... Although I wanted him to do more action instead of just get on that mounted machine gun... I wanted him going in more with other guns, or like a massive fist/knife fight with like 10 other burmese soldiers coming at hime one after the other as he slaughters each one or punches them and slams em into trees (like Wolverine in X-men 3 in that forest fight when he's running around stabbing people)... i wanted to see more of that action... the action was still not as much as i hoped

Although I agree that a little more hand-to-hand action would have been cool, if it was overdone, everybody would have been complaining about it being too unrealistic again.

 

[echostation]

true enough

I still don't get why this film has tanked... it's doing worse than Alvin and the Chipmunks now in terms of weekend gross with a pathetic 42 million, and with only what 25 million in foreign box office, that's a pretty measely 67 million for a film that has a budget of 50 mill which needs what at least 100 mill global to make money.

I hope this movie makes enough on DVD to have a sequel... I would love to see a sequel.

 

[Movies205]

true enough

I still don't get why this film has tanked... it's doing worse than Alvin and the Chipmunks now in terms of weekend gross with a pathetic 42 million, and with only what 25 million in foreign box office, that's a pretty measely 67 million for a film that has a budget of 50 mill which needs what at least 100 mill global to make money.

I hope this movie makes enough on DVD to have a sequel... I would love to see a sequel.

The action was great don't get me wrong but I don't know how many times I got say it, great action or not, a terrible script is still a terrible script thus what kill this film.

 

[Enriquespy]

I agree. Rambo didn't do much in the film. Really besides that arrow scene, any one of those soliders could have done what he did.

LAme RAMBO!!!!!

TAKA TAKA TAKA all movie long!!!!!

 

[Nightmare]

Thought this was a decent flick, though its the first time ive seen kids getting stabbed and shot.

 

[Red Mask]

The movie doesn't have the greatest dialogue. Given the setting it's hard to be as preachy as the first three films. The conflict in Burma has no direct relation to U.S. foreign affairs. But the movie still kept in spirit with the character of Rambo. The brutal violence also helps the story be more honest with the issues surrounding war and the humanitarian desire to help and seek peace. Stallone said Rambo 2 & 3 were more commercial-type films. I think Rambo 4 goes back to the roots.

 

[Dangerous]

What exactly are you even saying? A movie needs a good script no matter what, depth does not equal a good script, Bad Boys 2 is not deep but it is a good script.

For you a good script means it ticks boxes A through M, for me a good script just means that the characters interact with each other in a realistic, in-character and believable way. Rambo did that.

People are in denial since they keep construing good as thought provoking and what's more hilarious is that Stallone sets it up as a thought-provoking movie with his cringe inducing dialog about morality.

Hmm seems my example regarding a movie about bums either went over your head or under the radar. Re-iterating- Rambo IS a thought provoking movie. Not because of the script, but because of what is actually going on- people being brutalized. See the thing is, because (and I'm making an assumption now, so correct me if I'm wrong) you don't personally know any Ex green beret types who had been captured and tortured in combat, I'm thinking you don't really have a good standing to distill what comes out of Rambo's mouth as being cringe inducing or not.

You have not been through the type of s-hit Rambo has. Now as an old guy in the new film his outlook on the world is very black and white and that's that. You might think that in the context of a film some of the script was a bit hokey, but if so you are not understanding the point Rambo has reached. Nothing Rambo or any of the characters in the film said was out of character. In this film Rambo is even more jaded than he was in any of the previous films, and I'm talking about even before he comes to his epiphany about who he is. So yeah, the script was not cringe worthy, it was right on the money. If you don't get that, then you don't understand where Rambo is at in his head in this film.

I would of prefer the characters to just shut the hell up since they are written so poorly it detracts from the film,

Wrong.

 

[Movies205]

Wrong.

I could dignified this with a well articulated response but then again Rambo couldn't even clear its budget domestically so if I'm wrong, why did it fail?

 

[Advanced Dark]

Nobody expected Rambo to be profitable from domestic box office. Nobody who's sane anyways. Theatrical revenue for most films are a loss leader for DVD sales and TV rights. Welcome to the world of new media.

 

[Dangerous]

I could dignified this with a well articulated response but then again Rambo couldn't even clear its budget domestically so if I'm wrong, why did it fail?

So you determine whether a film has been a success on any level by it's BO gross.
Wow, and to think I wasted my time trying to engage you in debate.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Just got back, I paid to see a Rambo movie and i got Goddamn Rambo movie.

Sly has always painted in broad strokes, i have no issues with that and like it with his characters.

The scene where the village is attacked and the relief workers taken is the most horrific thing Ive seen in a movie, children being blasted up in such graphic fashion showed there would be no sugar coating, and that continued for the whole movie, there was no answers offered, no solutions, as he said "It is how it is".

The movie is intense and gripping, Sly's direction is top draw and man does he know his action sequences, i got chills when he appeared with the bow and arrow to take out the Burmese soldiers play sick games with their prisoners.

The ending was perfect and sets up a 5th. I loved the way it mirrored the first shot we see of Rambo in First Blood and the classic theme added to the chill down the spine factor.

8/10

 

[Dangerous]

Glad you liked it Hunter.

I thought it was awesome too, and very different to the hokum of First Blood Part II and Rambo III. In that respect all the Rambo films are quite different and I reckon would make for one helluva movie marathon.

First Blood is somewhat introspective for a Rambo film, has the best story and my favorite setting. Parts II and III are like OTT cartoons.
II I like- III I think is kinda stupid. Then the new film is a complete contrast to the 80's films being more realistic and restrained.

I like how in the new film Rambo finally excepts who he is and how the end of the film mirrors the beginning of First Blood.
It's odd because Sly says he would like to do another Rambo film, but from the ending of Rambo it looks like the wrap up to me since his story has come full circle.

Hmmm, Rambo was the shizzle.
Needs a second viewing..
Favorite scenes include when Rambo sets off the claymore- BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.. and seeing all those poor villagers getting blown to s**t, hahah.

 

[echostation]

What he so needs to do now for the 5th film is a solid strong more First Blood toned down action/slightly guerrilla warfare type pic where he follows with his original idea... like say he becomes close to some mexican immigrant he helps out and they become friends or something, almost like she's a daughter to him, and then suddenly one day she's been kidnapped and he has to go due south to kick some mega ass down south only to find out that there are actually some americans behind the whole kidnapping (whatever intricate plot you want) and then he has to bring them all down and save his "daughter.."

I think that would be an incredible plot for a 5th film, more guerrilla warfare, him dealing with things in the US and how he struggles to live lief at home

 

[omid17]

Just got back, I paid to see a Rambo movie and i got Goddamn Rambo movie.

Sly has always painted in broad strokes, i have no issues with that and like it with his characters.

The scene where the village is attacked and the relief workers taken is the most horrific thing Ive seen in a movie, children being blasted up in such graphic fashion showed there would be no sugar coating, and that continued for the whole movie, there was no answers offered, no solutions, as he said "It is how it is".

The movie is intense and gripping, Sly's direction is top draw and man does he know his action sequences, i got chills when he appeared with the bow and arrow to take out the Burmese soldiers play sick games with their prisoners.

The ending was perfect and sets up a 5th. I loved the way it mirrored the first shot we see of Rambo in First Blood and the classic theme added to the chill down the spine factor.

8/10