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I wonder whos watching more guys or girls. I would think after next weeks special scene with Kara in that red bikini I wouldnt be surprised if more girls are turned off by Kara & bolt :o
 
I wonder whos watching more guys or girls. I would think after next weeks special scene with Kara in that red bikini I wouldn't be surprised if more girls are turned off by Kara & bolt :o
That would be ironic since the whole idea of introducing Kara as far as CW was concerned was so they could appeal to more women. Same goes for the new female Bobbsey twin demon hunters on SN

SV's greatest viewership is in males 18-34. It is in fact, their target demo. The superhero genre is more male oriented than female oriented. Just is. But they'll take any new viewers they can get. "Marriage" episodes like last year's Promise did VERY well in the female demos. Big surprise there. But the more they lean on the mythology, the more they risk turning off general female audiences. Obviously, there are exceptions to the rule, but we're not in the majority.
 
Here's the ratings finals for Kara, as posted today in Variety:


10/7/07

'Friday Night Lights' lights up NBC
Football drama ties 'Moonlight' in demo
By RICK KISSELL

Excerpt:

CW's "Smallville" (1.9/5 in 18-49, 4.95m) was on par with the previous week's season opener [1.9/6, 5.18m], while "Supernatural" didn't do much in its season preem (1.2/3 in 18-49, 2.97m).

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117973599


Nice numbers for SV, though it would have been even better if they cleared 5M, but that's okay. SN isn't looking so hot, however. Not even 3M for a season preem? Ouch.

Wednesday's fast nationals for ANTM was 4.52 million. Heh. I wonder if SV is going to come out on top for the week again? The numbers should all be in by tomorrow.
 
That would be ironic since the whole idea of introducing Kara as far as CW was concerned was so they could appeal to more women. Same goes for the new female Bobbsey twin demon hunters on SN

SV's greatest viewership is in males 18-34. It is in fact, their target demo. The superhero genre is more male oriented than female oriented. Just is. But they'll take any new viewers they can get. "Marriage" episodes like last year's Promise did VERY well in the female demos. Big surprise there. But the more they lean on the mythology, the more they risk turning off general female audiences. Obviously, there are exceptions to the rule, but we're not in the majority.
I was surprised to hear that bc I thought females made up most of hte viewership. Before, I thought this was just another WB soapish teen drama just with a superhero element. Good thing that isnt exactly the case
 
I was surprised to hear that bc I thought females made up most of hte viewership.
Nope. It's mostly male. Yeah, blows my mind too. Here's another interesting factoid - Welling himself has said he gets more fan mail from male viewers than female. Now THAT's truly crazy, especially when you consider there's a good 90 *thousand* members over at "Dedicated to TW" - who are mostly female, of course. LOL ;)
 
Interesting article. These new ratings will kick in for SV with next week's ep, Cure.

Trying to get ratings in a world of DVRs
by Rick Kushman
McClatchy Newspapers
10 October 2007

We’re into the third week of the new fall TV season, and here’s what is clear about the ratings: nothing.

What is clear is what’s causing all this unclearness. Yup, technology. Isn’t that always the way? The more technological advances we get, the more things slow down.

This time around, we’re specifically blaming digital video recorders - DVRs is what we wired people call them - those TiVo-like boxes that let you record soooo easily, not to mention pause and replay live TV. By the way, if you don’t have one, they are life-changing. Stop reading now and go get one. You’ll thank me. I’ll wait here.

OK, see? You can watch so much more TV now, can’t you? And congratulations, now you’re part of the problem.

Americans are adapting to DVRs faster than any TV technology ever. Last fall, when the season started, 8.5 percent of homes had DVRs. Now, we’re at 19.5 percent and skyrocketing, and the one thing everyone in the industry is sure about is that way more people than ever are recording shows and watching them later. Sometimes days and days later.

That means the ratings we normally get from Nielsen are, even more, just a partial picture, which matters a lot to advertisers, and it’s those advertisers who pay for most of what you and I watch.

Here’s what’s changed. Nielsen is still issuing its regular reports - an estimate comes overnight, and a more thorough number comes out a week later. But now, it’s also reporting a viewing total called live-plus-seven, which includes people who watched on DVRs within seven days of the original airing. (The live-plus-seven doesn’t count VCR viewing, because it needs digital technology to work.)

But that’s not all, because in the world of TV ratings, nothing is ever simple. There is also a new rating - C3 - which counts viewership of the actual commercials watched within three days of the first airing.

The live-plus-seven takes two weeks to come out, which makes some sense, since it’s covering a seven-day period added to the usual seven-day lag time. The C3 rating takes three weeks to come out because, actually, I don’t know. No one seems to know why, because, I don’t know that either.

But here are the things we do know: Viewership numbers are generally down this season for the networks, just as they have been in the past few years as people find more and more entertainment options.

And we know that the live-plus-seven can add 10 percent or more to the total ratings for some series - in particular, ones that tend to attract younger or techno-savvy viewers, and shows that are serialized.


Plus, we know that advertisers will care most about the C3 ratings, because they want to know who, if anyone, is actually watching their ads. One answer, according to research that CBS has shared with TV critics, seems to be that about 40 percent of people who record shows still watch the commercials. No one knows why this happens.

So this is where we are: Better, more final ratings on this season’s shows will be out this week. Ratings on commercials will be issued Oct. 15. In the meantime, we can extrapolate from the early, more-preliminary-than-ever current ratings.

The list of top-rated shows, so far, looks a lot like it did last season: “CSI,” “Grey’s Anatomy,” “Dancing With the Stars,” “House,” “Desperate Housewives” and “CSI: Miami” lead the pack. When you factor in shows that drew the younger viewers, “Heroes,” “The Office” and “Brothers & Sisters” join the winner’s circle.

As for new shows, there were no instant crazy hits, and everything is going to take some time to settle into a pattern, but NBC’s “Bionic Woman” and ABC’s “Private Practice” and “Pushing Daisies” look solid so far.

The vast middle ground of maybe-they’ll-work-out includes CBS’ “Cane” and “The Big Bang Theory,” NBC’s “Chuck” and “Life,” ABC’s “Dirty Sexy Money” and Fox’s “Back to You.”

The new shows that appear to be struggling include NBC’s “Journeyman,” Fox’s “K-Ville” and almost everything on CW.

CW’s apparent struggles remain something of a mystery. The network had a terrific development season, creating strong new shows like “Aliens in America,” “Life Is Wild” and, especially, “Reaper,” which has gotten nothing but love from critics across the country. Yet, CW’s ratings look to have dropped more than any other network.

(The good news for anyone who’s found “Reaper” is that it’s doing OK by CW’s modest standards and is likely to stick around a while.)


And in the very, very loser category is ABC’s “Cavemen.” The initial ratings weren’t horrendous because of the curiosity factor, but how many people are going to come back to watch the same train wreck twice?

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/news/article/49663/trying-to-get-ratings-in-a-world-of-dvrs/
 
Thanks for posting that, Pat. Good read.

Obviously, SV and Supernatural seem to fit the mold of a show that could see a boost thanks to the new DVR ratings system. And here's hoping The CW is satisfied with the ratings for Reaper. That show is gold.
 
I'm getting the sad feeling that this will be Supernatural's final season. I'll be uber sad if it is. :(

Hope Reaper sticks around. Really enjoyed the pilot.
 
Prime-Time Ratings:
Thursday 10/11/07

The following results are based on the fast affiliate ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 15.75 million, ABC: 12.75, NBC: 8.17, Fox: 6.88, CW: 3.99

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 5.0 rating/13 share, CBS: 4.7/12, NBC: 3.7/10, Fox: 2.1/ 5, CW: 1.5/ 4

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Note: Any prior rating results are based on the final nationals. Also, since the level of DVR penetration has increased from 9 percent in early 2006-07 to approximately 20 percent at present, the overall results may be negatively impacted.

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor: China (CBS), CSI (CBS), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), The Office (NBC), Without a Trace (CBS)

-Honorable Mention:
Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? (Fox)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
Big Shots (ABC), ER (NBC)

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-Ratings Breakdown:
ABC and CBS remained in the winner’s circle on this third Thursday of the 2007-08 season, with CBS the most-watched network and ABC No. 1 among adults 18-49. Third overall was NBC, followed by Fox and the CW.

CBS’ still potent Survivor: China opened the evening first in both total viewers (14.00 million) and adults 18-49 (4.5 rating/13 share). ABC’s second-place Ugly Betty was also on the map, with 10.35 million viewers and a 3.5/10 among adults 18-49. But compared to one year earlier (Viewers: 13.95 million; A18-49: 4.3/12 on Thursday, Oct. 12, 2006) that was a loss of a hefty 3.60 million viewers and 19 percent in the demo. Comparably, Survivor: China was down by 1.84 million viewers and 18 percent among adults 18-49 from the Cook Islands edition one year earlier (Viewers: 15.84 million; A18-49: 5.5/15).

Also in the 8 p.m. hour was Fox sleeper Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader? (Viewers: #3, 8.16 million; A18-49: #4, 2.3/ 7), which remains a vast improvement over anything the network has aired here in years, NBC duo My Name is Earl (Viewers: #3, 7.74 million; A18-49: #3, 3.1/ 9) and 30 Rock (Viewers: #4, 6.61 million; A18-49: #3, 3.0/ 8), and the CW’s Smallville (Viewers: #5, 4.75 million; A18-49: #5, 1.9/ 5). While the NBC comedies are certainly not mass appeal hits, almost full adult 18-49 retention for 30 Rock out of My Name is Earl is a positive worth noting.

Leadership, as usual, was shared at 9 p.m. as follows:

Thursday 9 p.m.
CSI (CBS)
Viewers: 19.63 million (#1), A18-49: 6.0/14 (#2)

Grey’s Anatomy (ABC)
Viewers: 18.65 million (#2), A18-49: 7.7/18 (#1)

A one-hour edition of NBC’s competing The Office (Viewers: #3, 8.91 million; A18-49: #3, 4.7/11) got plenty of leverage among adults 18-49 despite facing the top two rated shows on television.

Also airing at 9 p.m. was Fox game show Don’t Forget the Lyrics (Viewers: #4, 5.60 million; A18-49: #4, 1.8/ 4), and the CW’s Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 3.23 million; A18-49: #5, 1.2/ 3), which managed to stay somewhat alive in the toughest hour in prime-time.

CBS’ veteran Without a Trace was first in the 10 p.m. hour in total viewers, but second behind ABC’s Big Shots among adults 18-49. Third overall was NBC’s needs-to-retire ER. Take a look:

Thursday 10 p.m.
Without a Trace (CBS)
Viewers: 13.63 million (#1), A18-49: 3.6/10 (#2)

Big Shots (ABC)
Viewers: 9.26 million (#2), A18-49: 3.9/11 (#1)

ER (NBC)
Viewers: 8.41 million (#3), A18-49: 3.4/ 9 (#3)

Big Shots remains in the loser’s circle despite the first-place finish among adults 18-49 because of a) poor retention out of Grey’s Anatomy of 50 percent in total viewers and 51 percent among adults 18-49, and b) a loss of audience in the second half hour of 3.02 million viewers (10.77 to 7.75 million) and 30 percent among adults 18-49 (4.6/12 to 3.2/ 9). Since part of the 10 p.m. half-hour included the last few minutes of Grey’s Anatomy, it is obvious this drama is a miss.

NBC, meanwhile, should be announcing the retirement of ER any day now.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

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Half-hour breakdowns:

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 4.50 million, A18-49: 1.7/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 5.00 million, A18-49: 2.0/ 5

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. V: 3.32 million, A18-49: 1.2/ 3
9:30 p.m. V: 3.14 million, A18-49: 1.2/ 3
 
Wow. The numbers for both shows were a decent percentage higher than last week's. :eek: :up:
 
The best thing about Smallville this season so far is that the audience seems to increase during the show. For most on television, the opposite happens (audience decreases).
 
Why would abyone stop watching Supernatural at the half-hour mark? I don't get it. Why bother starting it if you just change the channel at 9:30? It happens every week.
 
Usually, those number represent people who tuned in for the beginning of the show, then turned the channel if said show didn't hold their interest.

Conventional wisdom dictates that a show that builds as the hour progresses holds on to more viewers. This is why a lot of networks prefer episodic shows (like crime procedurals) to serialized ones (like Lost and Heroes) because more viewers can tune in to a random Law & Order and figure out what's going on. Whereas, serialized dramas require to much effort on the viewer to follow what's going on.

It ain't perfect. Then again, ratings is an inexact science.
 
I'm getting the sad feeling that this will be Supernatural's final season. I'll be uber sad if it is. :(
Last night Supernatural was GREAT, and next week's previews looked interesting. That show has totally grown on me and I hope it makes it.
 
The best thing about Smallville this season so far is that the audience seems to increase during the show. For most on television, the opposite happens (audience decreases).

It's always done that ever since moving to Thursdays. My only guess is that a lot of people watch a 1/2 hour skein at 8 and then click over.

SN's retention out of Smallville is still pretty weak though.
 
When the final numbers come in, this episode will be over five million. Watch and learn young bucks. :D
 
^^based on your previous article i'm really curious to see what they do to the entire CW network. Their target audience is the younger techno savy.

Of course the C3s may be a dissappointment on that net for the vary same reason :(
 
The best thing about Smallville this season so far is that the audience seems to increase during the show. For most on television, the opposite happens (audience decreases).
Thats always been the case with SV,at least the last couple of seasons I've never been able to figure it out, do people flip around and then happen upon SV and start watching? weird.
EDIT: oops, Hulk already mentioned.
 
Why would abyone stop watching Supernatural at the half-hour mark? I don't get it. Why bother starting it if you just change the channel at 9:30? It happens every week.
I'm guilty of that, I generally just leave it on the same channel after SV, realize I'm not really paying attention to SPN then flip around to see what else is on. Makes sense in a way.
 
I have some really really really great news for Smallville. Apparently Neilsen ratings has changed her system and now is adding the DVR viewing for the first 7 days after the episode aired to the Final Ratings. Have a look at the following:

The ratings for premiere week are finally in. Well, mostly. And -- surprise -- lots of people still watch "CSI" and "Grey's Anatomy."

Yes, premiere week ended 15 days ago. But Nielsen has just gotten around to releasing its updated, "live + 7" ratings, which takes in both live viewing of a show and DVR viewing up to a week later.

And while there was some shuffling in the rankings, for the most part the top shows the night after they aired remained the top shows a week later. They just picked up a couple million viewers along the way.

CBS' "CSI," for instance, was the No. 1 show of premiere week (Sept. 24-30) in the "live + same day" ratings -- which is what Zap2it reports each morning -- and remained that way in the live + 7 standings. It picked up 1.92 million viewers from the same-day figures, ending up with a total of 27.27 million.

ABC's "Grey's Anatomy" picked up the most delayed viewers that week, going from 20.95 viewers in the same-day ratings to 22.97 million in the plus-sevens, in the process passing the Monday "Dancing with the Stars" to become the second most-watched show of the week.
"The Office," which airs opposite "CSI" and "Grey's," added the highest percentage of viewers. The NBC comedy saw its viewership rise 10.9 percent from the same-day figures to the weekly numbers, finishing at 10.84 million viewers.

The seven-day numbers didn't change the top of the ratings too much, but there was some movement farther down the list. The new NBC drama "Journeyman" saw its premiere rise from 42nd to 36th in the rankings. The CW's "Smallville" also jumped six spots, from 76th to 70th.

And then there's "CW Now," the barely seen pop-culture magazine show that airs Sunday nights on its namesake network. It gained not a single viewer in the seven-day numbers, staying at the scant 777,000 viewers it attracted with its initial airing.

Network-suit types are still waiting for yet another set of numbers from Nielsen, this time measuring commercial viewing for up to three days after a show airs. Those "C3" ratings are likely to become the number advertisers watch most closely.

Do you know what that means? It might take longer to come out but they will include more groups of people who were actually not there to watch live and had to record it. HENCE, larger number ratings!!!!!!!!!

According to ABC Medianet Smallville ranked at #74 (not #76) with 5.180million viewers. At #70 was FOOTBALL NT AMERICA PT 2 with 5.410million viewers. But if we assume that the jump is still 6 spots and the mistake is at the numbers above (74 - 76), then it should be at #68 which was LAW & ORDER:SVU-SAT with 5.570million viewers.

From 5.180 to 5.410 or 5.570 is an average of 310.000 extra viewers.

Imagine what the retings would be if Nielsen took into account illegal downloads from torrents sites alone. That would be an average of 150.000 more viewers from all of them.
 
http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003658566

Nielsen: ABC's Grey's Most Played-Back Premiere

Marc Berman


OCTOBER 15, 2007 -

Based on results for the first official week of the 2007-08 season, Sept. 24-30, the season-premiere of ABC's Grey’s Anatomy was prime time's most played-back show, with an additional 3.89 million viewers via time-shifted viewing. The season-premiere of NBC’s The Office, however, had the highest percentage of DVR contribution, with a hefty 22.2 percent. Second by percentage was NBC’s Heroes (20.5 percent), followed by Fox’s Bones (17.9 percent), Fox’s House (17.1 percent), and Grey’s Anatomy and Fox’s Family Guy tied at 16.9 percent.

Other observations worth noting:

-Three of the most played back shows -- NBC’s Bionic Woman, ABC’s Private Practice and NBC’s Journeyman -- were series premieres.

-The competing Bionic Woman, Private Practice and CBS’ Criminal Minds all cracked the top 10 for play back usage.

-The CW’s most played back show was the season-premiere of Smallville, with 841,000 additional viewers (representing 15.0 percent of the total DVR contribution).

-The debut of CW Now was dead-last, with absolutely no additional playback viewers.

-Scripted programming had a clear advantage over non-scripted programming.
 
This is from USAToday

By Gary Levin, USA TODAY
Digital video recorders are rapidly changing TV viewing habits, premiere-week data out Monday from Nielsen confirms.
Take Grey's Anatomy: The Sept. 27 season premiere of ABC's medical drama averaged a healthy 19.1 million viewers at 9 ET/PT. But count those who watched up to seven days afterward and the number jumps by 3.9 million to a total of 23 million. Put another way, 17% of Grey's audience was not watching the show when it first aired.

As expected, Nielsen's numbers reveal that many of the most frequently recorded shows air in intensely competitive time slots: Wednesday's Private Practice, Bionic Woman and Criminal Minds added about 2 million viewers apiece to their "live" audience; Thursday's faceoff between Grey's, CSI and The Office led nearly 10 million to watch one or more of these shows later.

ABC researcher Larry Hyams says the most popular network shows get the biggest overall lift: "More people go out of their way to record them."

But on a percentage basis, lower-rated shows gained more: 22% of viewership for The Office was delayed, boosting its total from 8.4 million to 10.8 million. Fox's Bones, Prison Break and Family Guy each counted about 17% of their total audience as procrastinators, and CW series Beauty and the Geek, Reaper and Smallville were close behind.
The new figures "are very reassuring for us," says CBS research chief David Poltrack, by reducing year-to-year viewership declines from 7% to a "more manageable" 4% for the Big 4 networks.

DVR homes now make up 20% of Nielsen's sample, up from just 9% last fall. Still, the dramatic effect of so few homes on national ratings is "fairly significant," says Magna Global USA's Steve Sternberg, and will grow as DVR use accelerates.

Other trends: DVR usage was most prevalent among younger viewers; it favored returning shows over newcomers; and was probably more active during premiere week (Sept. 24-30) than in a typical week, as viewers juggled new and returning shows before settling on their permanent picks.

The new figures also changed the network pecking order originally reported by Nielsen, based on ratings for shows viewed live or on the same day they're broadcast. CBS, not ABC, won the first week of the season, and among young-adult viewers, NBC won outright, no longer tying with ABC.

But that's just for bragging rights. The networks will jockey over a new set of statistics, due out today, that will determine ad dollars: presumably lower ratings for commercials — not programs — viewed up to three days after first airing.
 
i hope that someday the ratings will be big enough to spend more money on SV.
 
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