Ratings

[Prison Mike]

yeah, I'll probably miss Pandora too. I'll see it online the next day.

 

[Webhead2006]

oh that sucks guys you will be gone for pandora, it is totally shaping up to be a good episode.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Holey crap! when I mentioned that i believed the CW was trying to deep-six Smallville, I receive alot of flack. Low and behold a quote stating that such is the case.

guys 2.0 is good numbers for this network.?

how does a quote on a website that states fans think Ostroff is trying to off Smallville confirm that OStroff is trying to off Smallville again?

 

[Super_Ludacris]

She isnt trying to off it, she's milking the corpse for what its worth. Only one show on that network is even doing above 3 million and thats Vampire Diaries. Both Supernatural and Smallville have collapsed in ratings the past 2 years but because of a vocal online fanbase (which is always a smart reason to keep a show) she needs to something on air as all the new shows the past 2 or 3 years arent cutting.

The channel needs to move to cable. Its programming is niche at best and budget cut annually, it has no business being a network channel.

 

[Webhead2006]

totally we fans totally hate dawn and everyone i chatted on about cw agree she shouldnt be in charge. its strange how she is still in charge when her business plan clearly isnt work. the network needs a total retoolment and a new head in charge and move away from just the teenie drama girl shows to a more variety of shows.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

People always whine and complain about how the CW only produces teenie drama girl shows and how it was better in the "good old days of the WB"....

Yo, what WB were you all watching? It's always been like this. Like as much as people try to make Dawn Ostroff the scapegoat, this was always the mantra of the network even in the UPN/WB days

What I'm saying is, it should have been on cable like Lifetime or BET since 1995...

 

[Docker2.0]

Nope Supa.......WB use to have more balanced shows. It wasn't all about teenie girl shows..there were shows targeted to guys as well, but they just blew away with the wind.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Nope Supa.......WB use to have more balanced shows. It wasn't all about teenie girl shows..there were shows targeted to guys as well, but they just blew away with the wind.

Oh my bad, it was teeny girl shows and black sitcoms that should have been on BET or FOX

People have such a revisionist history when it comes to The WB and UPN now, when did it ever even attempt to appeal to the 28 and up crowd like the other 4 networks? It was always a youth orientated network. They thought they could milk the all important 18-34 demograph that so many networks want (even though they really were trying to appeal to people 15-27) and ultimatley that's what ruined the networks and what hurt the CW now. Sure you got tons of hardcore fanboys and fangirls for those shows (even now with the crazy fantatics for Supernatural) but it could never sustain the level of diversity in its prime-time programming to be a real network like NBC, ABC or CBS. Thats what happened then, that's what happenign now.

 

[Billy Batson]

how does a quote on a website that states fans think Ostroff is trying to off Smallville confirm that OStroff is trying to off Smallville again?

lmao! No ONE said anything about a conformation on anything Ostroff is doing with Smallville. I was referring to forum members not entertaining my conspiracy theory, now other members mention the same theory, the point of view is supported and not dimissed.

 

[SV Fan]

Nope Supa.......WB use to have more balanced shows. It wasn't all about teenie girl shows..there were shows targeted to guys as well, but they just blew away with the wind.

Yeah i think one problem is the network has to many rich spoiled **** type shows(Gossip Girls, 90210, Melrose Place, they also had the Beautiful Life before it was cancelled). The network should have 2 shows like that at most, and try find other type of shows they can target at females other nights.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Yeah i think one problem is the network has to many rich spoiled **** type shows(Gossip Girls, 90210, Melrose Place, they also had the Beautiful Life before it was cancelled). The network should have 2 shows like that at most, and try find other type of shows they can target at females other nights.

Not to defend this network...but the percpetion was that those shows were what the youth wanted (See the Hills/OC generation) and this network has always been about catering to whatever themes are hot in young enterainment (Dawson's Creek and 7th Heaven were shades of My So Called Life and Party of Five, they saw a void in Buffy after the 92 movie and Clueless for a leading californian blonde character vehicle. Smallville came at the right time when comic book properties were hot again, ditto with Vampire Diaries now, and 90210 and MP were following the retroing trend a little)

So ultimatley this was something years in the making.

 

[SV Fan]

Not to defend this network...but the percpetion was that those shows were what the youth wanted (See the Hills/OC generation) and this network has always been about catering to whatever themes are hot in young enterainment (Dawson's Creek and 7th Heaven were shades of My So Called Life and Party of Five, they saw a void in Buffy after the 92 movie and Clueless for a leading californian blonde character vehicle. Smallville came at the right time when comic book properties were hot again, ditto with Vampire Diaries now, and 90210 and MP were following the retroing trend a little).

I think the problem is over doing stuff. It's great that VD is doing wonderful for the CW, but if they decide that vampires what people want and make yet another Vampire show they are only killing there own market share. Giving the viewer a bunch of similar type shows will only divide the audience for those shows.

I heard many people who watched the Beautiful Life say how they really liked it, but I am guessing most people who like that kind of show already were watching other similar type shows on that network and didn't want to watch yet another similar type show. Now maybe through in more Female bases Drama(more in the mold of Dawson's Creek or Veronica Mars) or even a night of female comedies, you might get a bunch of people to watch a bunch of different shows on your network instead of 1 or 2.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

I think the problem is over doing stuff. It's great that VD is doing wonderful for the CW, but if they decide that vampires what people want and make yet another Vampire show they are only killing there own market share. Giving the viewer a bunch of similar type shows will only divide the audience for those shows.

I heard many people who watched the Beautiful Life say how they really liked it, but I am guessing most people who like that kind of show already were watching other similar type shows on that network and didn't want to watch yet another similar type show. Now maybe through in more Female bases Drama(more in the mold of Dawson's Creek or Veronica Mars) or even a night of female comedies, you might get a bunch of people to watch a bunch of different shows on your network instead of 1 or 2.

Yeah but networks and studios always do that, one show is successful they want to duplicate that success and a genre get born out of that. Ultimatley the CW/WB/UPN is a product of its own offspring. Every show they ever produced was similar to another on the network. They just shaked a few things here or there but its still all for the same auidence.

And thats why this network is struggling. I dont even think the kids care about Smallville, Supernatural, 90210 etc etc outside of the internet (and how can you put numbers on that?)

What I'm saying is this was always the case. This was why they merged in the first place. It never learned from its mistake. If you want to have a channel with nothing but Veronica Mars, Dawson's Creek, Smallville stuff or even 902010, MP or GG then go to cable where you are catering to a niche audience, can work on smaller budgets and still get income from advertisers and subscribers.

 

[SV Fan]

What I'm saying is this was always the case. This was why they merged in the first place. It never learned from its mistake. If you want to have a channel with nothing but Veronica Mars, Dawson's Creek, Smallville stuff or even 902010, MP or GG then go to cable where you are catering to a niche audience, can work on smaller budgets and still get income from advertisers and subscribers.

I do think her idea targetting female audiences is actually a good idea, it's her execution that sucks(ie the exact same show on 4 times a week out of 9 shows on the schedule). The key to this though is they have to make 5-6 nights of different style of programs targeted at that W18-34 audience.

Just using an example. A few years ago they should have been looking to replace One Tree Hill with a similar show. They could have put that show on the same night, built the audience from OTH(when it was getting higher ratings), then laid OTH to rest. Instead Dawn O seemed set on making a bunch of rich teen dramas, let OTH rot while not using it to her advantage to build up another show with a similar target audience. From what I understand the CW has a mid season replacement show called Life Unexpected that is sort of in that mold and will place it after OTH starting in Jan. The problem is instead of feeding off 4M viewers like the show was getting a few years back it will only feed off 2.5M

 

[Super_Ludacris]

I do think her idea targetting female audiences is actually a good idea, it's her execution that sucks(ie the exact same show on 4 times a week out of 9 shows on the schedule). The key to this though is they have to make 5-6 nights of different style of programs targeted at that W18-34 audience.

Just using an example. A few years ago they should have been looking to replace One Tree Hill with a similar show. They could have put that show on the same night, built the audience from OTH(when it was getting higher ratings), then laid OTH to rest. Instead Dawn O seemed set on making a bunch of rich teen dramas, let OTH rot while not using it to her advantage to build up another show with a similar target audience. From what I understand the CW has a mid season replacement show called Life Unexpected that is sort of in that mold and will place it after OTH starting in Jan. The problem is instead of feeding off 4M viewers like the show was getting a few years back it will only feed off 2.5M

2 things to consider though:
1) We tend to forget the number of shows that it produced to groom or be eventual replacements for stuff like One Tree Hill and Smallville (Heartland,Privliged, Mercey Reef etc). I mean you gonna replace OTH with another teen drama anyway.

2) It was always about stuff for girls. So I get what they were thinking. Its just now people are sick of what they liked about the network. I think that audience has grown and they want to grow up with there favourite actors doing movies like the 90's teen stars, but there still stuck doing tv.

I personally think it just needs to stop fooling itself and go to cable. First of all CBS a part owner needs to think long and hard about whether or not they want to put there own side investment out of business or do they want to redefined its brand and put it on cable and compete with MTV and Spike and BET.
Secondly, if not, then they should change its audience and make more grown up shows in the vain of CBS, NBC and ABC.

 

[SV Fan]

I personally think it just needs to stop fooling itself and go to cable. First of all CBS a part owner needs to think long and hard about whether or not they want to put there own side investment out of business or do they want to redefined its brand and put it on cable and compete with MTV and Spike and BET.

Secondly, if not, then they should change its audience and make more grown up shows in the vain of CBS, NBC and ABC.

The CW is not competing against any network(weither it be BET, MTV, ABC or FOX, etc). They basically competing against there own profitablity. If the station can make a profit there is no reason why it shouldn't stay where it is.

Dawn just needs to look at why exactly Vampire Diaires is really her only successful show in the past few years and try use that as a model to try find other shows that can be successful(and no I don't mean she should have 20 vampire shows, basically she should go out and try find shows that have a niche audience that are different to fill up most of the schedule)

 

[Super_Ludacris]

The CW is not competing against any network(weither it be BET, MTV, ABC or FOX, etc). They basically competing against there own profitablity. If the station can make a profit there is no reason why it shouldn't stay where it is.

Dawn just needs to look at why exactly Vampire Diaires is really her only successful show in the past few years and try use that as a model to try find other shows that can be successful(and no I don't mean she should have 20 vampire shows, basically she should go out and try find shows that have a niche audience that are different to fill up most of the schedule)

If the CW was not competing with other networks it would not be a product of a merger born out of survival. Success is generated by viewership and sponsor money. Right now, its not making a profit. Budget are always being slashed and outsourced. Vampire Diaries is successful....because its another teen show. This time, it jumps on the trend of vampire books. But short of that, all they can do is make another teen show.

And if you're that narrow in your creativity, why not save yourself the loss and be a niche channel? Like I said, one of its investors is one of its competitiors, it never made sense which is what everyone was saying back in 2006.

 

[Webhead2006]

oh totally i think we can all agree cw how dawn o has run it hasnt been great, and in general no network has ever been 100% great all the time. Even fox/cbs/nbc/abc have had or are having their share of trouble times and all that.

 

[TMC1982]

Dawn is the biggest idiot when it comes to managing a network. Don't know who she slept with to get her position but she needs to be fired..........and whoever is over her. CW is one of the worst networks on tv but yet they let her run it. I can't believe people knock Fox for everything but let the WB get a pass with the crappy things they do, like let this beyotch run the network.

Here, here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fire_Dawn_Ostroff

Dawn Ostroff's problem is that she runs the CW from the mentality that she had when she worked over at Lifetime. You're bound to shoot yourself in the foot if you intend on modeling a major broadcast television network after a niche cable television channel.
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=htt...=201668823&h=91261181a48abe7d3dae6ff3a623b76c

 

[Webhead2006]

Well here we are the rating for the mid season finale "Pandora"

2.45million viewers with 1.1 demo

dam, i was hoping it would stay above 2.7 like the last few weeks. I wonder why the drop, good episode. OH well we did have a nice 5 week gains before.Hopefully it will go back up in jan. Cant wat for the return in jan.

 

[Docker2.0]

I'm guessing the holidays maybe is one of the reasons for the decline in the episode which is why a lot of shows are done til mid January. I had to DVR it cuase I was preparing for them now as well.

FYI: Fire Dawn O!!!!

 

[Webhead2006]

yea i guess holiday times, i heard too a few markets(not huge ones i guess) had a preempt for some local sports, and maybe new moon. I heard it had record opening night on thursday which probably lead to good friday numbers. Still a bit mad we didnt get to have a 6th week of ratings high.

 

[Docker2.0]

Here, here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fire_Dawn_Ostroff

Dawn Ostroff's problem is that she runs the CW from the mentality that she had when she worked over at Lifetime. You're bound to shoot yourself in the foot if you intend on modeling a major broadcast television network after a niche cable television channel.
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=htt...=201668823&h=91261181a48abe7d3dae6ff3a623b76c

Just saw that website and the articles it posted. Gossip Girl s trying the "sex sells" thing and used a 3some with Duff to increase ratings. My gawd! I don't understand why people watch "3some" on network tv. You might as well watch porn and get the real deal. Not just that, it's so obvious what GG is doing. I don't see how some parents can even let their kids watch that show when it makes sex and drugs seem like eating ice cream on a hot day.

 

[Webhead2006]

on the plus said of the millions of viewers rating down slightly from last 5 weeks season high numbers, the demos held nicely at 1.1 so at least that is good. Demo numbers i heard are looked at a bit more heavily then the million of viewers ones right.

 

[Docker2.0]

Hey Webs, what is the ratings among networks? Is CBS #1? A lot of the network have balance whereas CW doesn't which is stupid. Heck I'm in their target age bracket(except I'm a guy)but I find most of their shows annoying, just like the network. If it wasn't for Smallville or Supernatural, I'd never watch the network.