Ratings

[Supershizzle]

I merely chimed in that what Pat was saying about viewership taking a hit this time of year across the board does have merit to it. And that there isnt necessarily a direct correlation between the quality of writing and the viewership a show gets, since what one person deems as "quality" will usually differ from the next.

You seem intent on debating the specifics of given episodes with me and why you feel they arent up to par, and that's not a discussion I'm looking to get into because it's immaterial to the points I was making.

All I will say is that personally I didnt think the last episode was that bad. Once you get past the blatant mimic of certain scenes from the Saw movies, there seemed to be a lot of character exposition as well as some explanation to some long standing questions on the series involving Lionel, Martha, and Clark. Then again I dont have the emotional investment on either side that others here do, so perhaps that's why I can gleen from it what's given and not what I want to get from it.

 

[AgentPat]

If I'm reading right, you and others are saying the reasons the ratings go down has a lot to do with 'trends'. Daylight savings, overall viewership down, Spring Bring, etc.

In a nutshell, yes. Of course there's other factors to consider, not the least of which is competition on other networks.

I'm saying, that make it okay to put out what MANY fans feel are 'sub-par' episodes in between guaranteed ratings winners?

"Many" fans? Who are you parsing?

I vaguely remember an interview with Gough where he said he gets a completely different take on episodes from (I believe) one of his nieces than he sees on the I-Net. It's an odd world.

I was incredibly high on Smallville for at least 3 1/2 seasons. I didn't even buy Season 4....They lost me along the way. And you know why? It's because of episodes more and more like last weeks. (And what looks like next week)

Y'know, for every Spirit, there's a Crusade, or Run, or Transference, or Unsafe, or Onyx, or Blank or Commencement...

Obviously there is a hard-core audience that will watch any episode of Smallville. (4 Million or so) I can't even talk to Pat about this, though she's the only other that's responding,

Just having fun with ya Pickle Meister.

because she's as biased as I am

Who? Me? No sir!!! I'm completely objective on all things SV.

when someone asks me, 'Is the new Pearl Jam record any good?' I'll find something good to say about it because the brand means something to me. That's what the hardcore fanbase will do for products they have incredibly vented interest in.

Ooooo... I think he's getting it.

Another question, since no one seems to be giving me straight answers other than blaming 'trends', how many inherently GREAT episodes has the season of 'Superman In Training' given the people who watch Smallville? 100th Eppy? Season Premiere? Clark vs Brainiac in FOS..3-4...Put it this way, which 3 episodes as of right now would you show to a potential Smallville fan? Just playing devils advocate here.

For the 5th season? Ooo... tough question.

[thinking]

Okay, as of right now, I'd go with...

1. Arrival (it sets the precedent for everything else to follow in the season)
2. Hidden (it's one of the BEST SV episodes EVER), and
3. Reckoning (it's the turning point for Clark after his father died.)

How my doin?

Give me more episodes to show to a potential n00b, and I'll add to the list. Only being able to show three is limiting, at best. Which three Pearl Jam songs would you recommend to somebody who's never heard the band before? (honest question, albeit off topic.)

If people can cheer when ratings go through the roof, what's so wrong with dissecting why the ratings get so low ('trends' aside, Smallville was hitting Season 2 numbers earlier this year.). It can't ALL be trends, can it? Surely, the execution of stories must hold credence and responsibility as some point?

But you're looking at the show's numbers, not how they compare to other shows airing at the same time. SV hasn't really changed its rank placement. Viewership is down across the board, not just with SV.

 

[triplet]

Obviously there is a hard-core audience that will watch any episode of Smallville. (4 Million or so) I can't even talk to Pat about this, though she's the only other that's responding,

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm seriously tired of the very circular convo so that's why I'm not replying...

I'll come back later but you and Pat and Supershizzle can keep on going and have fun...

 

[AgentPat]

^ Hehehe... sometimes, a good circular debate can be fun.

<- masochist tonight, apparently.

Hey Pickle, go deep...

 

[Pickle-El]

^ Hehehe... sometimes, a good circular debate can be fun.

<- masochist tonight, apparently.

Hey Pickle, go deep...

I"m busy at the moment...

Oh, and about PJ, what kind of music do you like? Slow ballads? Floydish stuff? or just straight rock? They do it all!

How bout this, it's off their new album...it's called inside job. Very Floyd-ish

http://beta.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=ED8FAEDF73F807EA


. I'll go so far as to say that it's one of their best songs. (And I've only listened to it for about 2 weeks)

 

[Pickle-El]

What the hell? I'll just post a slower ballad called Lowlight:

http://beta.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=52826C6E0EB5A7E1

And a rocker/ballad for the ladie fans of one Mr. Tom Welling...it's called, 'Betterman'

http://beta.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=ED4BCF8121BF2B78


Don't get the wrong idea, they play some VERY hard stuff. But you can't ignore the female fanbase, right?

 

[Serene]

Oh, and about PJ, what kind of music do you like? Slow ballads? Floydish stuff? or just straight rock? They do it all!

With the exception of one song, I can't stand Pearl Jam. Their sound (primarily Vedder's voice) just grates on me and I have to turn it off whenever it comes on.

Yet another example of different strokes..

 

[Pickle-El]

With the exception of one song, I can't stand Pearl Jam. Their sound (primarily Vedder's voice) just grates on me and I have to turn it off whenever it comes on.

Yet another example of different strokes..

Lets see....where's that ignore feature again....

 

[Serene]

Lets see....where's that ignore feature again....

But I do like your avy.
(way more than your taste in music. )

 

[Pickle-El]

But I do like your avy.
(way more than your taste in music. )

Make up your mind, do you like PJ or not?

\

hehehehe

 

[Serene]

Make up your mind, do you like PJ or not?

\

hehehehe

No, to PJ.
Yes, to avocados.

 

[Pickle-El]

No, to PJ.
Yes, to avocados.

Can't wait for Cinco De Mayo....just another reason for us crazy hispanics to get druuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunk!

And have some Guacamole of course.

 

[The Sage]

It's amazing the topics that can be generated in a thread about "ratings".

 

[MJZ]

Eddie's the man.

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

do do do to do to do

 

[Pickle-El]

Eddie's the man.

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

do do do to do to do

For once, me and MJZ agree.

I should have put 'Black' up there for Pat to hear...a little depressing though. Still, incredible ballad.

 

[KikiDee]

Can't wait for Cinco De Mayo....just another reason for us crazy hispanics to get druuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunk!

And have some Guacamole of course.

You needed a reason?

 

[MJZ]

For once, me and MJZ agree.

I should have put 'Black' up there for Pat to hear...a little depressing though. Still, incredible ballad.

Yeah it's a bit of a downer.

Can't go wrong with Even Flow...

 

[RakuMon]

For once, me and MJZ agree.

I should have put 'Black' up there for Pat to hear...a little depressing though. Still, incredible ballad.

Black is, hands down, my favorite PJ song (or any song for that matter) ever.
I'd have to rank Given to Fly (when's someone going to do a Welling video using that song by the way?!) and State of Love and Trust.

Also, how nuts were their two performances on SNL last week? May 2 can't get here fast enough!

 

[AgentPat]

Excerpt from a recent Variety article, published 4/23/06

...One rookie series that is looking good after a move to Thursday is the WB's "Supernatural" (1.9/5 in 18-49, 3.99m) following "Smallville" (1.9/6, 4.41m). Spooky skein, which began the season on Tuesday, retained 100% of its 18-49 lead-in from "Smallville" and 86% in 18-34 (1.9/6 vs. 2.2/8) -- its best Thursday scores to date.

Combo would seem to be a good bet to return in tandem on the new CW sked next fall...

http://www.variety.com/story.asp?l=story&a=VR1117941908&c=14​

 

[Serene]

Combo would seem to be a good bet to return in tandem on the new CW sked next fall...

http://www.variety.com/story.asp?l=story&a=VR1117941908&c=14[/indent]

Yay!

 

[avidreader]

Excellent!

Although I am finding it hard to concentrate on it after Smallville.

Glad to see the demo's still looking good for this time of year.

 

[Brainiac 8]

Excerpt from a recent Variety article, published 4/23/06

...One rookie series that is looking good after a move to Thursday is the WB's "Supernatural" (1.9/5 in 18-49, 3.99m) following "Smallville" (1.9/6, 4.41m). Spooky skein, which began the season on Tuesday, retained 100% of its 18-49 lead-in from "Smallville" and 86% in 18-34 (1.9/6 vs. 2.2/8) -- its best Thursday scores to date.

Combo would seem to be a good bet to return in tandem on the new CW sked next fall...

http://www.variety.com/story.asp?l=story&a=VR1117941908&c=14
​

Good for Jensen Ackles. I would hate to have him come off a ho-hum run on Smallville to flunk out of his own show.

I didn't like Jason Teague, but I liked the actor, I'm glad his show is doing well. I would think this pairing would be a no brainer for Sci-Fi/Fantasy fans anyways. Why wouldn't they keep the channel on for Supernatural?

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Of course the ratings went down. I predicted this a long time ago when they switched to FOTW and psuedo goth Buffy inspired eps. Only the hardcore SV fans will be happy with that. If they advertise an episode that has to do with something related to the Superman universe the ratings will go back up and it will do well.

 

[rumpuso]

Excellent!

Although I am finding it hard to concentrate on it after Smallville.

Yep, me too. I just want to rewatch Smallville on my TIVO recording during that hour, but I'm *really* trying to like Supernatural. It's not a bad show at all and Jensen does a great job.

 

[AgentPat]

APRIL 28, 2006
The Programming Insider
Marc Berman

Primetime Thursday Ratings:
CBS Dominates; NBC a Distant No. 2

Thursday 4/27/06
Metered Market Ratings

Household Rating/Share
CBS: 13.7/21, NBC: 7.0/11, ABC: 4.3/ 7, Fox: 3.9/ 6, WB: 3.0/ 5, UPN: 2.0/ 3

Due to a Presidential Address on the year-ago evening, overnight comparisons to Thursday, April 28, 2005 are excluded.

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Fast National Ratings (Live Plus Same Day data).

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 20.64 million, NBC: 9.30, ABC: 6.28, Fox: 5.15, WB: 3.98, UPN: 2.53

-Adults 18-49:
CBS: 6.6 rating/18 share, NBC: 4.0/11, Fox: 2.3/ 6, ABC: 2.1/ 6, WB: 1.7/ 5, UPN: 1.0/ 3

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Survivor Panama – Exile Island (CBS), CSI (CBS), Without A Trace (CBS)

-Fading Fast:
American Inventor (ABC)

-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats):
Love, Inc. (UPN), The O.C. (Fox), Eve (UPN), Cuts (UPN), Commander in Chief (ABC)

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-Ratings Breakdown:
CBS scored another seamless Thursday victory, with a first-place finish in every half-hour courtesy of Survivor Panama – Exile Island (Overnights: 9.9/16; Viewers: 17.14 million; A18-49: 5.8/18), CSI (Overnights: 18.1/27; Viewers: 26.88 million; A18-49: 8.5/22), and Without A Trace (Overnights: 13.0/20; Viewers: 17.91 million; A18-49: 5.5/15). How do you like that Terry on Survivor, whose only fall from grace might be his superior attitude if he lands in the final two? And what about Cirie, who caught a fish (a big one, too!), and brokered the deal to get rid of slacker Courtney? You go, girl!

As a reminder, total viewers and adults 18-49 are based on the fast national ratings.

The once formidable NBC remains anything but, with its distant second-place combination of the soon-to-conclude Will & Grace (Overnights: 6.2/10; Viewers: 7.53 million; A18-49: 2.8/ 9), a repeat of My Name Is Earl (Overnights: 5.1/ 8; Viewers: 6.89 million; A18-49: 2.8/ 8), the regularly scheduled edition of My Name Is Earl (Overnights: 6.3/ 9; Viewers: 8.95 million; A18-49: 4.1/11), The Office (Overnights: 5.6/ 8; Viewers: 7.74 million; A18-49: 3.8/10), and fading ER (Overnights: 9.4/15; Viewers: 12.36 million; A18-49: 5.1/14). Although the network is hoping the addition of John Stamos will fuel interest in ER next season, it really is time to pull the plug and allow the medical drama to end with some dignity, don’t you think?

Over at ABC, the once respectable American Inventor has fallen from grace, with the first of two back-to-back episodes opening at a weak 3.9/ 6 in the overnights (#3), 5.13 million viewers (#3), and a fourth-place 1.5/ 6 among adults 18-49. That led into the regularly scheduled 9 p.m. edition third at a 4.9/ 7 in the overnights, 4.82 million viewers, and a 2.9/ 9 among adults 18-49. One episode would have been more than enough – this isn’t American Idol, after all. At 10 p.m., and facing original episodes of both Without A Trace and ER for the first time, ABC’s relocated Commander in Chief is unlikely to make it into a sophomore term with a distant third place 5.1/ 8 in the overnights, 6.50 million viewers, and a 1.8/ 5 among adults 18-49.

Two original episodes of Fox’s soon-to-retire That ‘70s Show limped out of the gate with an average 3.7/ 6 in the overnights (#4), 4.90 million viewers (#4), and a 2.2/ 7 among adults 18-49 (#3) from 8-9 p.m. At 9 p.m., modest The O.C. lived up to that description with a similar 4.0/ 6 in the overnights (#4), 5.41 million viewers (#4), and a 2.4/ 6 among adults 18-49. Does anyone really care about The O.C. anymore?

Over at the WB, Supernatural remains a relatively compatible player out of Smallville, with retention of 82 percent in the overnights, 78 percent in total viewers, and 75 percent among adults 18-49. Take a look:

WB/Thursday
8:00 p.m. Smallville
Overnights: 3.3/ 5 (#5); Viewers: 4.47 million (#5); A18-49: 2.0/ 6 (#5)

9:00 p.m. Supernatural
Overnights: 2.7/ 4 (#5); Viewers: 3.49 million (#5); A18-49: 1.5/ 4 (#5)

Despite a last-place finish at 8 p.m., UPN’s Everybody Loves Chris remains the only UPN Thursday sitcom worth even mentioning, with a 2.7/ 5 in the overnights, 3.13 million viewers, and a 1.3/ 4 among adults 18-49. Lead-out Love, Inc. dipped to a 1.9/ 3 in the overnights, 2.11 million viewers, and a 0.9/ 3 among adults 18-49 at 8:30 p.m., followed by Eve (Overnights: 1.7/ 3; Viewers: 2.10 million; A18-49: 0.9/ 2) and Cuts (Overnights: 1.6/ 2; Viewers: 2.07 million; A18-49: 0.9/ 2) from 9-10 p.m. UPN, of course, ranked last in every half-hour, and Love, Inc., Eve and Cuts will all, no doubt, not be returning next season.