Justice League Ray Fisher - WB Investigation Updates Thread

[kguillou]

Thats a lot to take in. I wonder which actor/character he’s referring to that had their complexion changed?

 

[Lucellit]

With the original investigator withdrawn, Fisher is optimistic that the new investigator will perform their duties impartially.

“The new investigator that WarnerMedia has brought on is the same one that did the final Kevin Tsujihara investigation before he was taken down,” Fisher explained.

Fisher went on to further clarify that he is not alone, and how the participation of old friends and newcomers came together for a single purpose, accountability.

“I’ve got a lot of witnesses that are willing to be interviewed, they’re just waiting on my go-ahead that it’s safe to do so,” Fisher said.

Outside of witnesses, Fisher has the backing of The Screen Actors Guild – American Federation of Television and Radio Artists.

“SAG-AFTRA has been a part of just about every conversation we’ve had with WarnerMedia and has been pushing to get them to do the right thing”

Despite the myriad challenges in his way, Fisher remains hopeful, yet cautious about his road ahead.

“In a business as notoriously litigious as Hollywood, the fact that I haven’t received so much as a cease and desist letter should tell you something,” Fisher calmly stated. “The people involved know I’m telling the truth. They’re just looking for a way to mitigate blowback for themselves.”

“WarnerMedia knows I don’t have the financial ability to stand up to them in court,” Fisher continued. “Emmerich, Whedon, and the other guys probably do. My guess is that WarnerMedia is looking for the lesser of two lawsuits.”

Fisher knew the responsibility on his shoulders was massive. Not only is his career at risk, but those who have joined his efforts and are participating in the investigation are at risk as well, Fisher claims. Fisher made it a personal mission to shield them.

“The people that have shared their stories with me have put themselves at great risk, both personally and professionally. I will protect them at any cost,” Fisher said. “Hollywood is one of the most retaliatory businesses in the world. One word of you being “difficult” or “uncooperative” could be the end of your career, especially if you’re black.”

Fisher fully realized that there are people out there that don’t believe him. Whether it’s because they’re fans of Johns and Whedon’s work, they take the studio’s word over his, or they simply don’t understand the full story. To them, Fisher had frank words.

“You really have to ask yourself, what’s more plausible—that I would purposely torpedo my career by making statements about powerful figures in Hollywood, that, if untrue, could be easily refuted. OR a handful people in positions of power said and did terrible things in order to maintain that power during a massive corporate merger.”

While Fisher was candid about his frustration with the studio, he was still clear that he’s not at war with the entire studio.

“I’m not in a fight with Warner Bros.” Fisher sighed. “I’m in a fight with a handful of people that are attempting to use Warner Bros. to cover their tracks. All the significant film and tv work I’ve done has been under the WarnerMedia banner. I love what I do and who I’ve been blessed to do it with.”

To Fisher, the most important thing is making sure accountability is carried to all parties involved, and not just the easier targets in the investigation.

“Regardless of how I feel about the folks involved, I’m not interested in people being allowed to dog-pile and scapegoat easy targets.”

As for his end goal, Fisher expressed the point of all the blood, sweat, and tears.

“My goal is to have these people not be decision makers for the content that influences our world,” Fisher began. “These guys have been in Hollywood a long time. Their problematic behavior didn’t start with the AT&T merger, but I’ll be dammed if it doesn’t end with it.”

Fisher ends most of his tweets these days with “Accountability > Entertainment,” and it’s clearly a guiding principle behind his actions, risks be damned.

“I’m not worried about the consequences. I’m well aware of what’s at stake. If people don’t want to work with me because I’m refusing to tolerate abusive behavior and the coverup culture of old Hollywood, then so be it.” Fisher said.

“If nothing else, I’m going to go out of this business the way I came in; free and of my own volition. Can you dig that?”

Okay, now we get more insights.
He knew the risks, grateful with people who joined efforts with him, and he wants them safe. He got balls and committed.

“I plan getting much more specific about each of these guys after the investigation is over—this interview is just the abridged version,” Fisher further clarified.

He's still holding stuff.

 

[brandeezy89]

Thats a lot to take in. I wonder which actor/character he’s referring to that had their complexion changed?

I think he's talking about another Joss show, my guess is The Nevers that's currently filming for HBO. I don't recall seeing anyone having their skintone changed on JL

 

[MbJ]

Now there's some tea.

 

[SupermanFan]

So apparently Johns, Berg and Emmerich were all In moved in racist conversations but yet again Ray is vague and doesn’t say what those accusations were.

 

[B]

No doubt he's been so vague because if he says something was said or happened without sufficient proof or support from others, he'll be sued into the ground for slander.

 

[chintai80]

seems like ray is slowly getting his ducks in a row before he come out swinging.

 

[Micromind]

So apparently Johns, Berg and Emmerich were all In moved in racist conversations but yet again Ray is vague and doesn’t say what those accusations were.

If you were in his place would you talk in media or wait for the new investigation team ?

It's not just about himself, there are other crew members who Ray is protecting till they can come forward and talk with the new investigators.

Why people want him to say something in media and weaken his case ? That should be the last option.

I see whedon fans and Goeff Johns fans are out in full force to defend them.

 

[chintai80]

lol i bet when black panther came out and made loads of monies for disney, johns, berg, and emmerich were like fuuuuuuuuuuuuh

 

[kguillou]

Cant wait for the rebuttal article headline later today,

“JASON MAMOA to play Easter Bunny in film produced by Geoff Johns, Jon Berg and Toby Emmerich.”

 

[SupermanFan]

If you were in his place would you talk in media or wait for the new investigation team ?

It's not just about himself, there are other crew members who Ray is protecting till they can come forward and talk with the new investigators.

Why people want him to say something in media and weaken his case ? That should be the last option.

I see whedon fans and Goeff Johns fans are out in full force to defend them.

Actually its more a case of say something substantial then. I could call someone a racist and say they made racist comments but not say what they supposedly saod. If he can't prove it they could easily do him for this in. court,

As usual anyone who asks him to provide details is in the wrong on here with the Snyder cult

 

[Lucellit]

Actually its more a case of say something substantial then. I could call someone a racist and say they made racist comments but not say what they supposedly saod. If he can't prove it they could easily do him for this in court.

As usual anyone who asks him to provide details is in the wrong on here with the Snyder cult

Nah, I like Snyder, I like Fisher, but I can understand your stance.
It's still a waiting phase.

I do convinced that he might have a case. His argument about the risks, how he got nothing out of it for opposing powerful figures in a big Hollywood company. And if it was untrue, could be easily refuted, is pretty compelling (for me). I'm waiting for what will be surfaced after the investigation.

Cant wait for the rebuttal article headline later today,

“JASON MAMOA play Easter Bunny in film produced by Geoff Johns, Jon Berg and Toby Emmerich.”

With the timing, they don't have to. US election topic is a global sensation.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Ray literally said he needs to wait for the investigation to end and that publicly speaking out is the only thing moving the investigation along.

Folks still in here claiming he needs to stop being vague. Lawd.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I mean if you actually took time to read the article, Ray has been pretty open about what he could and couldn’t talk about. I give him a lot of credit, he’s been very cut and dry about this. Now things are finally starting to come out, and the specifics are on the way. I may have had questions way early on in the process, but he’s been nothing but on point with everything.

 

[Aurakles]

“The people that have shared their stories with me have put themselves at great risk, both personally and professionally. I will protect them at any cost,” Fisher said. “Hollywood is one of the most retaliatory businesses in the world. One word of you being “difficult” or “uncooperative” could be the end of your career, especially if you’re black.”

This is why he's not giving out full details, because it's not just his story.

 

[SupermanFan]

Nah, I like Snyder, I like Fisher, but I can understand your stance.
It's still a waiting phase.

I do convinced that he might have a case. His argument about the risks, how he got nothing out of it for opposing powerful figures in a big Hollywood company. And if it was untrue, could be easily refuted, is pretty compelling (for me). I'm waiting for what will be surfaced after the investigation.




With the timing, they don't have to. US election topic is a global sensation.

I won’t take sides tiki know all the facts.what did they say? Was it actually racist or was it perceived that way? Also these guys have a right to defend themselves too.if it is hearsay then it’s their word against the accusers. If it’s been investigated and not allowed to be revealed then he shouldn’t be talking about it imo. Cause all he’s doing is right now is winding up the Snyder stabs who are ready with pitchforks and fire.

Ray literally said he needs to wait for the investigation to end and that publicly speaking out is the only thing moving the investigation along.

Folks still in here claiming he needs to stop being vague. Lawd.

Inagine someone told me you were a racist but wouldn’t say what you’d said. Like it or not there are perspectives and two sides to every story, you want me to believe then tell me what’s happened. He is been vague and until he says what he knows I’m gonna continue to call him out on it.

 

[Spider-jedi]

i dont understand why people are taking sides in this. We do not know any of these people personally be it fisher, joss johns or berg. As outsiders we should let the investigation play out.

We are going to get people continue to complain that he is been vague. And the people who already believe fisher will see any thing he says as more proof.

Please guys, lets not throw accusations at anyone.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Inagine someone told me you were a racist but wouldn’t say what you’d said. Like it or not there are perspectives and two sides to every story, you want me to believe then tell me what’s happened. He is been vague and until he says what he knows I’m gonna continue to call him out on it.

If someone told you I was racist and that I was actively under investigation for being racist, amongst other things, in the workplace but was unable to give specifics until said investigation ended...I would hope you would take it seriously instead of thinking you need to “call them out.”

The reality you seem to want where an unknown actor can handle high profile accusations of wrongful workplace treatment against a major studio quietly simply doesn’t exist.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

The complexion thing is suuuuuper gross and makes me open to his statement about roles of colour being cut down due to racism. However those roles do also happen to be obvious sequel hooks and lead ins to movies WB had lost interest in, it makes sense they’d be cut if you were flaying the story down to two hours.

 

[Filmfreak]

I find it weird that he only now decided to talk about racist behaviour, even though in the interview not only does he makes it sound like its' a core problem of the accusations, but the thing that actually set everything in motion.

 

[Lucellit]

I won’t take sides tiki know all the facts.what did they say? Was it actually racist or was it perceived that way? Also these guys have a right to defend themselves too.if it is hearsay then it’s their word against the accusers. If it’s been investigated and not allowed to be revealed then he shouldn’t be talking about it imo. Cause all he’s doing is right now is winding up the Snyder stabs who are ready with pitchforks and fire.

That's why I said that I can understand your stance on this. I mean, everyone wants to know the complete picture.

Unfortunately with the on going investigation, I don't think the accused execs could publicly say anything. So does Fisher, but I can see why he says something and done the interview, albeit withholding things. He brought this to the public, perhaps he felt that he owed us for that. So, he needs to show that he's serious and gave us some updates, which I really appreciate. At least now we know there's an investigation, with the new investigators and he's involved in that. Considering some people thought that he didn't want to participated, evaded, or else, because of the lack of info.

About overbearing fans online, sadly that's just part of any fandom. Especially the loud one, and you know how long and epic the Snyder Cut saga was.
People bound to be very invested and overwhelming. There are fans that hold their pitchforks towards Fisher too, so it's just unfortunately either way. This is a high stake situation for prominent names involved. Fisher didn't in any easier position.

 

[emc5466]

I really wonder what AT&T shareholders are thinking right now.

 

[Frodo]

I don't know what to say about these allegations.

They're explosive , especially since the issue of race and racism in general tends to get peoples backs up, and tends to lead less to constructive dialog, and more to people taking to their corners.,

It definitely raises the stakes on this whole ongoing public feud between Fisher and WB whether the allegations true or not.

The only thing I know is that this whole JL thing is much more of a cluster than I could have ever imagined.

I mean, I knew from the reports that it was a trainwreck due to the fallout from BvS, the change of director, and numerous reshoots.

This Ray Fisher stuff is like its own separate book chapter in the ongoing dramas of DC on film.

 

[Da-Scribe]

We seriously need a book or documentary on all this someday.

 

[Frodo]

I really wonder what AT&T shareholders are thinking right now.

Must be pretty awkward. It puts them in between a rock and a hard place.

Normally in a situation with an actor or whatever, they would likely just be done with them and not bring them back.

However, now if they don't bring him back, Fisher may start claiming its proof of retaliation ,which then WB would have to defend not bringing him back.

If They do bring him back , does he keep feuding with management and do they keep going back and forth with each other?

It's a mess for sure.