Re: 2012 NFL Thread: Where Jaguaring Happens - Part 3

[Immortalfire]

Everyone wants Matt Moore. Even teams with a stable QB.

 

[enterthemadness]

Everyone wants Matt Moore. Even teams with a stable QB.

There needs to be a gif or meme pic with text with a stupid smile on his face.


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/e...e-trade-for-a-qb-matt-moore-most-likely-to-go

GREEN BAY.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Who could be interested in Matt Moore? Maybe Jacksonville or Buffalo? Possibly Arizona?

Buffalo's done juggling around QB's, Jacksonville is pretty content with Gabbert and Arizona doesn't need more QB controversy. A team like the Browns should pursue Moore.

 

[killface]

there shouldn't be any qb controversy if matt moore goes to arizona. kolb and skelton are playing horrendously.

 

[enterthemadness]

Skelton is named the starter there...

Be interesting to see where the Greatness goes to...lolololol.

 

[enterthemadness]

When is Double MMoore being traded? He needs to back up PManning. Peyton won't last in Denver. No he won't. Fox needs some MMoore magical magic.

Also Panthers go 10-6, wild card this year. Suck it, NFC.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

If the Panthers D stays healthy, then I can absolutely see a 10-6 season for Carolina.

 

[Belvedere]

No way in hell do the Panthers go 10-6. That defence is ass and Cam Newton, like it or not, is going to have a sophomore slump because people have a season's worth of tape on him to pick apart.

 

[Matt]

Stranger things have happened, but I can't see Carolina competing, seriously competing until next year. My guess is 8-8 or 9-7. A consistent improvement from last year, but still not quite there. I agree that Newton will have a slump, but if he can use this year as a learning experience, then next year he will be elite and I could see the Panthers being in contention for their division. Ron Rivera has them on the right track, they just aren't quite there yet.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

No way in hell do the Panthers go 10-6. That defence is ass and Cam Newton, like it or not, is going to have a sophomore slump because people have a season's worth of tape on him to pick apart.

Injuries played a huge role on the Panthers last season. The linebacker core and defensive line took the biggest blows. Other than the cornerbacks, the Panthers' D is not 'ass'. The Panthers squad always thrives on no-names.

...And you act as if Newton's sophomore slump will slow him down. If Olsen, Smith, Stewart, Tolbert, Williams and LaFell can stay healthy for the majority of the season, then Cam will produce regardless of whatever slump he'll be in.

 

[Belvedere]

Injuries played a huge role on the Panthers last season. The linebacker core and defensive line took the biggest blows. Other than the cornerbacks, the Panthers' D is not 'ass'. The Panthers squad always thrives on no-names.

...And you act as if Newton's sophomore slump will slow him down. If Olsen, Smith, Stewart, Tolbert, Williams and LaFell can stay healthy for the majority of the season, then Cam will produce regardless of whatever slump he'll be in.

The fact he's playing a considerably harder schedule this season and that his team has ignored their needs in favour of getting a much needed third running back (not) might slow him down some.

The Panthers are moving sideways this season. Maybe one or two more wins at best.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

The biggest issue for Carolina is their division, namely the fact that it isn't garbage anymore. Cam came along after every other team in that division hit their stride & aside from the Bucs, the others are an established threat to the NFC every season. At best, they can hope to split series with the Saints & Falcons / sweep of the Bucs.

The remainder of their schedule, significantly more difficult this year, will do the rest. With a minimal slump & a healthy defense, I say they go 9-7. Which is still a DRAMATIC improvement.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

The fact he's playing a considerably harder schedule this season and that his team has ignored their needs in favour of getting a much needed third running back (not) might slow him down some.

The Panthers are moving sideways this season. Maybe one or two more wins at best.

If you're referring to Tolbert, he's filling the FB position, not HB. Carolina is known for running the ball, so I can see why an additional back was signed. Newton won't be attempting 30-40 passes a game this year unless the team is down by double digits.

Furthermore, defensive depth was needed. The front office made the right decision to focus on the defense this season. Cam is surrounded by playmakers on offense already. Another WR and/or TE wasn't needed.

The schedule is tougher but The Panthers are a talented squad. 10-6 is quite possible.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

The biggest issue for Carolina is their division, namely the fact that it isn't garbage anymore. Cam came along after every other team in that division hit their stride & aside from the Bucs, the others are an established threat to the NFC every season. At best, they can hope to split series with the Saints & Falcons / sweep of the Bucs.

The remainder of their schedule, significantly more difficult this year, will do the rest. With a minimal slump & a healthy defense, I say they go 9-7. Which is still a DRAMATIC improvement.

You have to remember that the Bucs are coming along too and unlike Newton Freeman has actually put together a winning season. Before last year they had around the same level of hype as the Panthers do now, and we all know how that went. They'll be lucky to win one game in the south. 8-8 at best. They will also get into a hole early, as they have to play the Saints, Giants, and Falcons over the first 4 games.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

You have to remember that the Bucs are coming along too and unlike Newton Freeman has actually put together a winning season. Before last year they had around the same level of hype as the Panthers do now, and we all know how that went. They'll be lucky to win one game in the south. 8-8 at best. They will also get into a hole early, as they have to play the Saints, Giants, and Falcons over the first 4 games.

One game in the South? Surely you joke. Carolina swept Tampa Bay last season, and kept it competitive against New Orleans and Atlanta with no defense. I'm predicting at least three games this season for the Panthers. I see them beating the Saints, Bucs and Falcons once each, especially with the new additions to the team and the returning players from the IR.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

One game in the South? Surely you joke. Carolina swept Tampa Bay last season, and kept it competitive against New Orleans and Atlanta with no defense. I'm predicting at least three games this season for the Panthers. I see them beating the Saints, Bucs and Falcons once each, especially with the new additions to the team and the returning players from the IR.

If you ask me Tampa Bay has improved a lot more than Carolina has, and if any team is going to steal a wild card in the south it will be Tampa. While Newton played well last year, he only beat one team of any importance and they were already clinched into the playoffs when he did. Every QB's play goes down in his second season because they have seen more tape, from Matt Ryan and Sam Bradford to Derek Anderson, it will always happen.

In fact, Newton's numbers fell dramatically in the 2nd half of the season, he didn't go over 171 yards in his last 3 games, and he didn't hit over 300 yards once after week 4. If his slump began before the season ended how can you deny that it won't happen again? You also have to take into account his play style, he's a lot more likely to get knocked out for the season than say Drew Brees or Matt Ryan.

 

[Immortalfire]

Reminder that I'm closing this thread tomorrow to get rid of the poll.

New thread subtitle ideas welcome.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

If you ask me Tampa Bay has improved a lot more than Carolina has, and if any team is going to steal a wild card in the south it will be Tampa.

Yeah, I've heard that before from Tampa... two years in a row (three now). Like Carolina, their defense is highly questionable. They've given up alot of yards and points.

While Newton played well last year, he only beat one team of any importance and they were already clinched into the playoffs when he did. Every QB's play goes down in his second season because they have seen more tape, from Matt Ryan and Sam Bradford to Derek Anderson, it will always happen.

I'm missing the point to this paragraph. I'm aware of QB play for the second half of the season. Anywho, Peyton Manning went 3-13 in his rookie campaign, and the Colts beat how many playoff caliber teams that year?

In fact, Newton's numbers fell dramatically in the 2nd half of the season, he didn't go over 171 yards in his last 3 games, and he didn't hit over 300 yards once after week 4. If his slump began before the season ended how can you deny that it won't happen again? You also have to take into account his play style, he's a lot more likely to get knocked out for the season than say Drew Brees or Matt Ryan.

So, you're suggesting that Newton was unable to hit the 300 mark after Week Four because he was in a funk already (even though the Panthers are primarily a run-offense)?

 

[The Apocalypse]

I can't believe we get Football in 2 days. Too excited!

 

[Genesis 1.0]

You have to remember that the Bucs are coming along too and unlike Newton Freeman has actually put together a winning season. Before last year they had around the same level of hype as the Panthers do now, and we all know how that went. They'll be lucky to win one game in the south. 8-8 at best. They will also get into a hole early, as they have to play the Saints, Giants, and Falcons over the first 4 games.

We're on the same page as to the outlook, aside from the fact that I figured their best shot will give them splits across the division. Atlanta has always given the Panthers fits & New Orleans is just a better team with or without a coaching staff.

I think they could scrape together 3 wins in the division, max.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

Yeah, I've heard that before from Tampa... two years in a row (three now). Like Carolina, their defense is highly questionable. They've given up alot of yards and points.

Tampa actualyy went out and made huge improvements. They added a great target for Freeman in Jackson, and they added a brick wall on the line with Carl Nicks. The Panthers are in the same position as the Bucs from last year.

I'm missing the point to this paragraph. I'm aware of QB play for the second half of the season. Anywho, Peyton Manning went 3-13 in his rookie campaign, and the Colts beat how many playoff caliber teams that year?

The point I'm trying to make is that any QB worth something will look great in his first few games, its how he performs once teams can accurately game plan for him that shows his true worth. Look at Derek Anderson, if you base your opinion of him around his first season as a starter you'd think he was a good on the rise QB, but once everyone had film on him, we saw what he truly was. I think something similar will happen to Newton.

So, you're suggesting that Newton was unable to hit the 300 mark after Week Four because he was in a funk already (even though the Panthers are primarily a run-offense)?

No, I'm just suggesting that he isn't as good as everyone decided he was after week 3.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Tampa actualyy went out and made huge improvements. They added a great target for Freeman in Jackson, and they added a brick wall on the line with Carl Nicks. The Panthers are in the same position as the Bucs from last year.

Then you haven't been paying attention.

The point I'm trying to make is that any QB worth something will look great in his first few games, its how he performs once teams can accurately game plan for him that shows his true worth. Look at Derek Anderson, if you base your opinion of him around his first season as a starter you'd think he was a good on the rise QB, but once everyone had film on him, we saw what he truly was. I think something similar will happen to Newton.

No, I'm just suggesting that he isn't as good as everyone decided he was after week 3.

I'm sorry. I missed the part where he threw for over 4,000 yards with a 61% completion rate, and rushed for 700 yards. Oops, I forgot, Cam accomplished all of that in the first four weeks.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

Then you haven't been paying attention.



I'm sorry. I missed the part where he threw for over 4,000 yards with a 61% completion rate, and rushed for 700 yards. Oops, I forgot, Cam accomplished all of that in the first four weeks.

I hate that passing yardage stat so much. It wouldn't be near as high if he wasn't playing from behind each game. Passing yards is a worthless stat these days, especially when there were three guys who broke Marino's record last year. I used to be in the same boat as you, I loved having a QB that could bust an 80 yard run at any moment, but eventually he's going to get jacked up, no doubt about it. But, the important thing is winning, and I haven't seen Newton win a game against a solid opponent since he played Oregon in the National Title game.

 

[Poeman]

Im going to miss the first two games of the season of my Jets

Will be on vacation

 

[DoomsdayApex]

But, the important thing is winning, and I haven't seen Newton win a game against a solid opponent since he played Oregon in the National Title game.

I'm sure your Falcons will be a worthy addition to the list this season (assuming they're of quality, of course).