The Rise of Skywalker Reactions to "Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker"

[jmc]

Colour me as someone who isn’t that shocked by the mixed reaction. One of the first things I remember thinking walking out of TLJ was ‘there’s nowhere left to go’. There was no logical path for the third film to take. As far as I’m concerned JJ was given an impossible task in trying to create a finale to a trilogy that was thrown widely off course by its predecessor, all because there was no plan in place. I can’t find a single person who’s been able to say exactly what this sequel trilogy is meant to be about. This mixed reaction is result of no-one having a clear vision about the direction of the franchise.

 

[Detective Conan]

Does anybody think it’s a bit telling that Rian Johnson wasn’t at the premiere? Granted, maybe I’m reading too much into this but I wonder if Johnson caught wind of what JJ desired to do and declined an invite.

 

[jmc]

George wasn’t there either apparently.

 

[Detective Conan]

The confirmed leaks sound like really, really bad fan fiction, imo.

 

[Prettyricky]

Does anybody think it’s a bit telling that Rian Johnson wasn’t at the premiere? Granted, maybe I’m reading too much into this but I wonder if Johnson caught wind of what JJ desired to do and declined an invite.

Nope, bringing him anywhere near a star wars property right would just drum up the hare again that finally died down in the past 2 years.

Star wars needs a cooling off period right now and reflection on what has worked and what hasn't.

 

[The Chris]

Does anybody think it’s a bit telling that Rian Johnson wasn’t at the premiere? Granted, maybe I’m reading too much into this but I wonder if Johnson caught wind of what JJ desired to do and declined an invite.

For his own sake I'm glad. I imagine he's on a pretty big high with how well received Knives Out is, so i think the last thing he needs is a taste of the Star Wars community.

 

[shinlyle]

No matter what this film did, it was gonna be divisive. People don't judge star wars films for what they are sadly but for what it doesn't have

People have judged every Star Wars film harshly since Empire...and they've all been let downs compared to it because it's....well....Empire. Instead of judging a Star Wars film as a film, it's judged by the ULTIMATE villain revealing to the ULTIMATE coming-of-age hero that he is his father, and bringing everything he was taught into question, and leaving our heroes divided. No other Star Wars movie can touch that note...and when they try *cough* The Last Jedi* *cough* they are cast out by fandom as being "contrary to all that is Star Wars", "ruining my childhood", or, "Everyone was written out of character".
Not saying TLJ was scripture or anything, but it was just a film. Not a bad one (except ALL OF CANTO BIGHT), but just a film. Basically, Luke didn't show up and use the force to turn Snoke into an Ewok, so people were disappointed.

So, here we are, on the verge of yet another SW film for kids to love, young adults to like, and the older fans like me to incessantly complain about until doomsday.

Because there will never be another Empire Strikes Back.

 

[The Chris]

Wasn't Empire even dissed originally?

 

[Gothamsknight]

People have judged every Star Wars film harshly since Empire...and they've all been let downs compared to it because it's....well....Empire. Instead of judging a Star Wars film as a film, it's judged by the ULTIMATE villain revealing to the ULTIMATE coming-of-age hero that he is his father, and bringing everything he was taught into question, and leaving our heroes divided. No other Star Wars movie can touch that note...and when they try *cough* The Last Jedi* *cough* they are cast out by fandom as being "contrary to all that is Star Wars", "ruining my childhood", or, "Everyone was written out of character".
Not saying TLJ was scripture or anything, but it was just a film. Not a bad one (except ALL OF CANTO BIGHT), but just a film. Basically, Luke didn't show up and use the force to turn Snoke into an Ewok, so people were disappointed.

So, here we are, on the verge of yet another SW film for kids to love, young adults to like, and the older fans like me to incessantly complain about until doomsday.

Because there will never be another Empire Strikes Back.

Its clearly evidence that Star Wars fans have no clue what they want. And before someone hits me with "but we luv teh mandalorian!" As great as mando is, its a show about a masked character who kicks ass without the baggage of what came before in the saga.

I was actually surprised at the complaints about the force awakens because i loved that film so much and thought JJ accomplished the impossible task of connecting the old with the new. Last Jedi, despite not being perfect, I thought was a bold movie that did a lot of interesting things even though it has its flaws. Yet, people still complained because we didn't get a "zack snyder" styled luke skywalker. It makes me wonder if Star Wars fans really even know what they want from a film any more. this is the most toxic fandom I have ever been a part of and I'm truly happy that the franchise is going to rest for a while. It needs it and I sympathize with those that have to deal with the pressure of trying to satisfy such a large fanbase.

I think Im gonna end up loving The Rise of Skywalker, and im sure there's gonna be people who think its trash that also think Attack of The Clones is Gone With The Wind. That's fine and all, but star wars fans need to stop acting like they know what they want, because they don't. Nostalgia drives a lot of this fanbase, and while that's not a bad thing, it's why they can't accept new ideas with films. I'm not saying they have to like something like The Last Jedi, but it's quite evident that nothing this trilogy would have done could have been satisfying enough

 

[DKDetective]

Wasn't Empire even dissed originally?

Yes! The more accurate statement is that every Star Wars film since Star Wars has been a letdown. Critics were mixed about Empire, inter alia, because many thought it was too self-serious and lacked the campy edge of the original film. It was only as time progressed that it received its now universal acclaim.

 

[MadVillainy]

Its clearly evidence that Star Wars fans have no clue what they want.

This is really silly. Star Wars fans aren't all a singular monolith. They are are individuals. There's so many people, not everyone is going to agree on something. Just because something has a mixed reaction doesn't mean "Star Wars fans have no clue what they want." If you like anything Star Wars puts in front of you? Cool. But not everyone is gonna be like that

 

[Gothamsknight]

This is really silly. Star Wars fans aren't all a singular monolith. They are are individuals. There's so many people, not everyone is going to agree on something. Just because something has a mixed reaction doesn't mean "Star Wars fans have no clue what they want." If you like anything Star Wars puts in front of you? Cool. But not everyone is gonna be like that

I don't like everything star wars puts in front of me though. I had some issues with TLJ and Solo, and despite enjoying the prequels, I don't think they are great movies. The point im trying to make is that it's not easy to gauge a reaction for whats best for star wars from the fans because there's no clear cut way of what makes a good star wars film in the fandoms mind. It's why everything post empire has been impossible to please the majority of people. It's like that with lots of things, but with star wars fans its bigger.

 

[MadVillainy]

I don't like everything star wars puts in front of me though. I had some issues with TLJ and Solo, and despite enjoying the prequels, I don't think they are great movies. The point im trying to make is that it's not easy to gauge a reaction for whats best for star wars from the fans because there's no clear cut way of what makes a good star wars film in the fandoms mind. It's why everything post empire has been impossible to please the majority of people. It's like that with lots of things, but with star wars fans its bigger.

I never said that you like everything Star Wars puts in front of you. The "you" wasn't meant to be literally you Gothamsknight. I should've made that more clear
And the point I'm trying to make, that no fanbase is going to 100% agree on everything so it's not easy to gauge a reaction for what's best for _______because everyone has a different idea of what makes a good _____ film. Look at Batman. Some people want real action based with crazy fights, some want it to be Gothic tinted, some want a straight forward detective story.
It only seems worse with Star Wars because the fanbase is so big.

Oh yeah I already reported him when he told Gotham to “shut the **** up”. Plus it says he literally just registered today. Clearly to have arguments and attack people instead of having a civilized discussion and a good back and forth.

I'm sorry this made me laugh.

People are weird.

 

[JOE]

The controversy is what keeps this franchise interesting. It’s still going to clear a billion dollars easily. If you guys think they’re going to stop just because it won’t make 2b then think again. They could make one every 2-3 years for the next 20 years and they’d all make a boat load.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I never said that you like everything Star Wars puts in front of you. The "you" wasn't meant to be literally you Gothamsknight. I should've made that more clear
And the point I'm trying to make, that no fanbase is going to 100% agree on everything so it's not easy to gauge a reaction for what's best for _______because everyone has a different idea of what makes a good _____ film. Look at Batman. Some people want real action based with crazy fights, some want it to be Gothic tinted, some want a straight forward detective story.
It only seems worse with Star Wars because the fanbase is so big.

No worries, i shouldve figured you didn't mean it like that lol. But yeah, I actually really agree with you there. I guess it's part of what makes taking on a franchise this big so challenging. I'd never do it tbh lol

 

[VSG]

I've always hated this sentence : Star Wars fans wont like it/pelased, blablabla.
Am I not a Star Wars fan? For 20 years I've been a fan and some people think Im not because I just enjoy things, despite dont like everthing in every movie.
I'm tired of this fandom XD

 

[Smurphftw]

I seem to recall lots of news articles about how divided the fanbase was about the prequels just before the release of Revenge of the Sith. Back then it was George Lucas has ruined Star Wars. Today it's Disney has ruined Star Wars. I think social media has made it look worse than it really is.

Star Wars survived the prequel trilogy

Star Wars will survive this trilogy.

Star Wars will endure.

 

[CabooseRandom]

The controversy is what keeps this franchise interesting. It’s still going to clear a billion dollars easily. If you guys think they’re going to stop just because it won’t make 2b then think again. They could make one every 2-3 years for the next 20 years and they’d all make a boat load.

If it was all about just what it makes Michael Bay would still be making Transformers movies as a couple of those made $1 Billion & even the worst one did. Its clearly just not all about what a movie makes

 

[BatLobster]

I never said that you like everything Star Wars puts in front of you. The "you" wasn't meant to be literally you Gothamsknight. I should've made that more clear
And the point I'm trying to make, that no fanbase is going to 100% agree on everything so it's not easy to gauge a reaction for what's best for _______because everyone has a different idea of what makes a good _____ film. Look at Batman. Some people want real action based with crazy fights, some want it to be Gothic tinted, some want a straight forward detective story.
It only seems worse with Star Wars because the fanbase is so big.

Yeah, at this point I just think it's best to try and tune out all the noise and just focus on what you personally get out of the movie. It's also likely not going to be a binary thing when you really parse your feelings. Every Star Wars movie has stuff I love and don't love. Except Empire, which is still perfection.

I seem to recall lots of news articles about how divided the fanbase was about the prequels just before the release of Revenge of the Sith. Back then it was George Lucas has ruined Star Wars. Today it's Disney has ruined Star Wars. I think social media has made it look worse than it really is.

Star Wars survived the prequel trilogy

Star Wars will survive this trilogy.

Star Wars will endure.

100% this, I mean cripes.....it's not even future tense. Star Wars has the biggest streaming show in the world right now.

Star Wars ain't going anywhere anytime soon. But I think it's good to close out the saga and move on, at least for a long time.

 

[MadVillainy]

. Today it's Disney has ruined Star Wars. I think social media has made it look worse than it really is.

And people need to apply this to everything. I'm tired of people saying "Man 'everyone' thinks this"
when their only barometer is social media.

 

[Prettyricky]

And people need to apply this to everything. I'm tired of people saying "Man 'everyone' thinks this"
when their only barometer is social media.

Unfortunately that is the only way
Most can get instant reactions or pulse of something. Before social media it was forums like this and word of mouth. I hate social media mainly because it has given vocal minorities a loud voice and in a-lot of cases forced studios to be knee jerking in there response.

 

[Calvin Ellis]

As I said in the other thread they should've kept the post trilogy to the books and started the movies in the Old Republic where they could do something fresh and new. The books have a lot of history post ROTJ and most of it good from what I hear so there was no need to go and erase all of that.

 

[Closerframe]

Even if TROS is complete garbage, this trilogy will still be better than the prequels. People keep forgetting the central story of the original trilogy was dark vs light. This trilogy is literally doing the same thing but making its villain more complex. The prequels were about political discourse and the unraveling of the Jedi order.

 

[Captain Tired]

Does anybody think it’s a bit telling that Rian Johnson wasn’t at the premiere?

George wasn’t there either apparently.

Guys no one likes Star Wars anymore.

 

[BatLobster]

I can’t find a single person who’s been able to say exactly what this sequel trilogy is meant to be about. This mixed reaction is result of no-one having a clear vision about the direction of the franchise.

This trilogy is clearly about a younger generation of characters who are struggling to live up to the legacies of the past. Both on the light and dark side of the Force. That was the general trajectory that TFA kicked off and TLJ continued, and it's not like it's been subtle either.