Justice League Real Talk - Where does the DCEU go from here? - Part 1

[semper]

Momoa's reaction to JL's reception.

“I try to stay the f— away from what people say,” the Aquaman actor tells EW. “Some of my friends said, ‘Justice League isn’t doing well’ and it kind of bummed me out. But I didn’t want to look it up. I don’t want to look up the bad and the negativity. I don’t think that’s useful; it doesn’t help.”

http://ew.com/movies/2017/11/20/jason-momoa-defends-justice-league/

It's the right attitude for him. He's lucky enough to have a solo film already in the can, that might yet make him a movie star if it works (like Wonder Woman did for Gadot, who I'm sure is sleeping fine after Justice League's poor performance). He basically needs to forget about JL and pray to god Aquaman works.

The likes of Cavill, Fisher and Miller don't have that luxury. They are probably all depressed and crying because there's a good shot they'll never get another chance at these characters.

 

[FunkMiller]

Momoa's reaction to JL's reception.

“I try to stay the f— away from what people say,” the Aquaman actor tells EW. “Some of my friends said, ‘Justice League isn’t doing well’ and it kind of bummed me out. But I didn’t want to look it up. I don’t want to look up the bad and the negativity. I don’t think that’s useful; it doesn’t help.”

http://ew.com/movies/2017/11/20/jason-momoa-defends-justice-league/

At least he didn’t say ‘we made it for the fans’.

 

[Charlus2]

According to this article, WB will lose 50 to 75 million dollars.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcai...make-but-how-much-it-could-lose/#4f8694787c66

 

[Mandon Knight]

According to this article, WB will lose 50 to 75 million dollars.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcai...make-but-how-much-it-could-lose/#4f8694787c66

Sadly, I think a overall total of $635 million is asking a lot at this stage. That statement kills me inside. Said earlier, I think we'll get a figure more in line with $550 million.

 

[Val_Zod]

Sadly, I think a overall total of $635 million is asking a lot at this stage. That statement kills me inside.

Audiences are growing more and more unforgiving towards blockbusters. This includes Superhero movies. I think Justice League's under performance should not just be taken as a wakeup call for WB but almost every major studio.

 

[Greenlite]

According to this article, WB will lose 50 to 75 million dollars.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcai...make-but-how-much-it-could-lose/#4f8694787c66

This guy? He's an idiot

'Wonder Woman' Is One Of The Worst-Performing Superhero Films In Overseas Markets In A Decade

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcai...in-overseas-markets-in-a-decade/#4f0695d84eb8

Edit: WW beat Iron Man, IM2, Thor, Cap, Hulk, First Class, Logan, Apocalypse, Hancock, MOS etc, the guy's either stupid or deliberately misleading people.

 

[InCali]

Momoa's reaction to JL's reception.

“I try to stay the f— away from what people say,” the Aquaman actor tells EW. “Some of my friends said, ‘Justice League isn’t doing well’ and it kind of bummed me out. But I didn’t want to look it up. I don’t want to look up the bad and the negativity. I don’t think that’s useful; it doesn’t help.”

http://ew.com/movies/2017/11/20/jason-momoa-defends-justice-league/

Good for him. That's exactly the attitude he should have. I honestly didn't think the movie was that bad and found it rather entertaining. The biggest problem IMO is what the public perception of what preceded it (BvS).

Any problems with the movie were not due to the actors.

 

[Legendver2]

Good for him. That's exactly the attitude he should have. I honestly didn't think the movie was that bad and found it rather entertaining. The biggest problem IMO is what the public perception of what preceded it (BvS).

Any problems with the movie were not due to the actors.

And RT

 

[kguillou]

Maybe I'm just being naive but there HAS to be a way to control the budgets on these things. There has to be a way where these movies dont NEED 700-800 mill to break even right? I looked up Thor Ragnarok's budget and it was UNDER 200 MILL. How is it Marvel's films cost less and they probably use the same amount of CGI and pay similar salaries to their actors? They need the budgets for these movies to about 150-180 mill MAX and get directors who can be creative within those boundaries. That way they'd only need 400-500 mill to break even and turn profit.

 

[COCOS]

Audiences are growing more and more unforgiving towards blockbusters. This includes Superhero movies. I think Justice League's under performance should not just be taken as a wakeup call for WB but almost every major studio.

nope,
infinity war will crash the box office in the upcoming months, they got all
critics by their Side

 

[Steamteck]

And RT

I think its fallout from BvS but Rotten Tomatoes should still vanish into a specialy deep place of hell

 

[Legendver2]

Maybe I'm just being naive but there HAS to be a way to control the budgets on these things. There has to be a way where these movies dont NEED 700-800 mill to break even right? I looked up Thor Ragnarok's budget and it was UNDER 200 MILL. How is it Marvel's films cost less and they probably use the same amount of CGI and pay similar salaries to their actors? They need the budgets for these movies to about 150-180 mill MAX and get directors who can be creative within those boundaries. That way they'd only need 400-500 mill to break even and turn profit.

Well Thor was still a solo. WW was only about 150m. But BvS and JL were big team ups, so the bigger budget makes sense. MoS, being the spectacle that is Superman, had a 225m budget, which was still the upper end, but still reasonable considering who the character is and the action involved. Avengers had a 220m budget, but AoU had a gross 316m (267m net) budget. So it's not out of the norm to have giant budgets for team ups. That and the fact JL's budget ballooned up from reshoots and all that stuff when Joss came in. That costs money.

Aquaman and WW2 will have more moderate budgets for sure. Shazam definitely has a smaller budget seeing it's using the Newline label.

Just keep in mind, it's reported that Avengers 3 and 4 will have a combined budget of 800m-1b. So that means at least one of those movies will hit 400m, making it the most expensive movie ever. The current holder of that title is Stranger Tides, with a 378m net (410m gross) budget.

 

[FunkMiller]

nope,
infinity war will crash the box office in the upcoming months, they got all
critics by their Side

You know who Marvel actually have on their side? The people who do go into a Marvel film feeling positive that they’re going to have a good time?

The ****ing audience.

 

[Greenlite]

Remember all the talk about DCEU turning into BCU?

I wonder if BCU is still in the cards as Affleck's about to leave, and the JL b.o.

To be fair titles like Batgirl, Deathstroke, Harley/SS, Nightwing and even a Titans movie are all quite cheap to make compared to the likes of Sup, AM and GLC.

Read somewhere Batgirl is a cover up for Whedon's involvement, hm, makes sense, we'll see.

MF.Robles (the one reported the movie shot twice etc) thinks WB will now lean on their main heroes, all the cast sans Affleck is staying, and Sup and WW will be important going forward.

I really really hope he's not just wishful thinking....

Read a couple of bloggers think Cavilll's done because people don't recognize Snyder but they recognize Cavill's face and relate it to BvS. If they get a new Bat, new Sup, plus Gal and focus on that, maybe Jason if AM is a hit and maybe Margot, then that could kick start something.

 

[Matt]

Remember all the talk about DCEU turning into BCU?

I wonder if BCU is still in the cards as Affleck's about to leave, and the JL b.o.

To be fair titles like Batgirl, Deathstroke, Harley/SS, Nightwing and even a Titans movie are all quite cheap to make compared to the likes of Sup, AM and GLC.

Read somewhere Batgirl is a cover up for Whedon's involvement, hm, makes sense, we'll see.

MF.Robles (the one reported the movie shot twice etc) thinks WB will now lean on their main heroes, all the cast sans Affleck is staying, and Sup and WW will be important going forward.

I really really hope he's not just wishful thinking....

Read a couple of bloggers think Cavilll's done because people don't recognize Snyder but they recognize Cavill's face and relate it to BvS. If they get a new Bat, new Sup, plus Gal and focus on that, maybe Jason if AM is a hit and maybe Margot, then that could kick start something.

I wouldn't count on Batgirl actually being made. Not with what is happening in Hollywood and the stories relayed by Whedon's wife. I bet every person he is in business with is just waiting for the other shoe to drop on him.

 

[Greenlite]

I wouldn't count on Batgirl actually being made. Not with what is happening in Hollywood and the stories relayed by Whedon's wife. I bet every person he is in business with is just waiting for the other shoe to drop on him.

true, he couldn't even give an interview for PR reasons, post release.

 

[The Apocalypse]

What solo films besides Aquaman and WW2 are still being made?

 

[Greenlite]

shazam and likely Batman.

 

[Bruce Malone]

This guy? He's an idiot

'Wonder Woman' Is One Of The Worst-Performing Superhero Films In Overseas Markets In A Decade

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcai...in-overseas-markets-in-a-decade/#4f0695d84eb8

Edit: WW beat Iron Man, IM2, Thor, Cap, Hulk, First Class, Logan, Apocalypse, Hancock, MOS etc, the guy's either stupid or deliberately misleading people.

Editors not the article writers themselves generally pick the titles. But he did have a point that WW was unique in how much of its BO draw was domestic vs international.

It'd have done a billion probably if the foreign markets were as excited as North America.

 

[Legendver2]

Read a couple of bloggers think Cavilll's done because people don't recognize Snyder but they recognize Cavill's face and relate it to BvS. If they get a new Bat, new Sup, plus Gal and focus on that, maybe Jason if AM is a hit and maybe Margot, then that could kick start something.

That would totally suck. Cavill is my Superman, and he is still passionate about playing him, especially now that his characterization is the right one now, and still got one more film in his contract. They can just easily have him appear in Shazam as the more hopeful version seen in JL as a mentor to Billy to reintroduce him to the public that this IS Superman now before doing MoS2. I would be sorely disappointed if Cavill's gone.

 

[Greenlite]

Editors not the article writers themselves generally pick the titles. But he did have a point that WW was unique in how much of its BO draw was domestic vs international.

It'd have done a billion probably if the foreign markets were as excited as North America.

IMO foreign market did fine considering it's her first film, unknown actress and a lesser known character compared to Bat/Sup/Spidey/any heroes under the Marvel brand.

The domestic market really did shockingly amazing, 3.99 multiplier is unheard of for a live action superhero movie that opens over 100M.

To turn around and say that the foreign receipt is not good is misleading. Even The Dark Knight made 550M domestic and 450M overseas, and BB made more at home as well.

Edit: not to take into account the strong US dollars this year. Even if WW2 grows like TDKR (about 45% overseas growth), she'd still struggle to make a billion because the domestic market might not replicate the amazing 410M+ run she had this year.

 

[MadVillainy]

Read a couple of bloggers think Cavilll's done because people don't recognize Snyder but they recognize Cavill's face and relate it to BvS. If they get a new Bat, new Sup, plus Gal and focus on that, maybe Jason if AM is a hit and maybe Margot, then that could kick start something.

I agree I think that's what will happen

 

[Dark Raven]

They could James Bond this franchise. Often there were different actors playing the same supporting characters while we had the same Bond, or vice versa.

WW could remain the same while others around her change.

 

[Iceman]

That's exactly what I think they should do. No point ditching Gal after the GA totally embraced her film.

 

[MbJ]

The Joker movie could still happen if they're gonna deemphasize the shared universe aspect from here on out.