Justice League Real Talk - Where does the DCEU go from here? - Part 1

[Legendver2]

I agree I think that's what will happen

 

[Greenlite]

That would totally suck. Cavill is my Superman, and he is still passionate about playing him, especially now that his characterization is the right one now, and still got one more film in his contract. They can just easily have him appear in Shazam as the more hopeful version seen in JL as a mentor to Billy to reintroduce him to the public that this IS Superman now before doing MoS2. I would be sorely disappointed if Cavill's gone.

They said WB could have extended his contract all this time but they didn't, someone said they did give him an extra film deal (was 3 before), and the blogger said that's optional as well (thought most deals are optional for actors anyway, studios make the call)

 

[The Apocalypse]

shazam and likely Batman.

I see. Honestly then, I'm not sure where the DCEU should head then. Personally I would want another JL but I think at this point, regardless of what people have thought of these movies, it's time to bail on Snyder. Whatever direction they decide to go in, they need some new leadership and a better plan.

EDIT: I would totally scrap SS2 and Shazam by the way. I would focus on WW2, MOS 2, Aquaman, and probably a Flash movie. We really don't need a Batman movie either but I'm sure that'll happen.

 

[Greenlite]

The Joker movie could still happen if they're gonna deemphasize the shared universe aspect from here on out.

haha...I wanna cry

 

[Greenlite]

I see. Honestly then, I'm not sure where the DCEU should head then. Personally I would want another JL but I think at this point, regardless of what people have thought of these movies, it's time to bail on Snyder. Whatever direction they decide to go in, they need some new leadership and a better plan.

JL's basically to wrap up Zack's era, and I believe Johns/Berg/Emmerich has the new plan set.

The only reason there's worry is because JL's b.o. opening is awful in US, so we'll see if WB panic or trust the new team to go forward.

 

[Legendver2]

JL's basically to wrap up Zack's era, and I believe Johns/Berg/Emmerich has the new plan set.

The only reason there's worry is because JL's b.o. opening is awful in US, so we'll see if WB panic or trust the new team to go forward.

I'm crossing my fingers the new plan involves Cavill.

 

[Binker]

I'm crossing my fingers the new plan involves Cavill.

He's under contract for one more...

 

[Legendver2]

He's under contract for one more...

Well according to Greenlite...

They said WB could have extended his contract all this time but they didn't, someone said they did give him an extra film deal (was 3 before), and the blogger said that's optional as well (thought most deals are optional for actors anyway, studios make the call)

 

[Greenlite]

I'm crossing my fingers the new plan involves Cavill.

I think there are a lot of crossing fingers around the world right now

I do wonder if that 4th film is like, Shazam, unless The Rock was just trolling

 

[Binker]

The following is what happened:
Critics, especially in this world of extremes: love/hate, no middle ground.

Word of Mouth, being like/dislike, again in this world of extremes: no middle ground.

*BIG IMPORTANCE: Marketing, with no plot being revealed, but more importantly, no Superman meant people thought he wasn't in this AT ALL.

*BIG IMPORTANCE: Poor decisions made by WB: two hour running time, unnecessary cuts of scenes promoted in trailers, as well as those that cause some continuity errors. Humor at the wrong times, Whedon over-tweaking instead of connecting the dots that he was hired to do. The knowledge and high call for extended cut during opening weekend.

Two weeks after Thor, should've been released probably in December; specially the 1st, away from Thor, slightly away from Coco, but more importantly, two weeks before Star Wars. More breathing room. IT COULDN'T RELEASED IN 2018. THAT WAS NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

Visual appealing: regardless of what people say, if it looks good, they'll see the movie. People have said, visually, JL didn't look good. Cheap/meh were the reactions.

Sequel to BvS: because of what happened with BvS, JL had high stakes to make up for it. But the studio interferences and the demand for an extended cut shows that WB didn't learn any lesson.

 

[Hotwire]

I think if DC wants to move forward and actually compete with Marvel, they need to lay out a 10 year, multiple movie plan with a person to guide it! They need to go after specific actors and do what it takes to keep them. It really seems like DC has just been throwing things at the wall to see what sticks.

 

[Mach2Infinity]

Read a couple of bloggers think Cavilll's done because people don't recognize Snyder but they recognize Cavill's face and relate it to BvS. If they get a new Bat, new Sup, plus Gal and focus on that, maybe Jason if AM is a hit and maybe Margot, then that could kick start something.

This won't happen, believe me. Not sure why some people are pushing the panic button on this. The only one likely to go at this point is Ben Affleck but I think he'll stay for the solo Batman film and possibly JL2. My feeling on this is everyone is staying with their respective roles. What they are going to do is re-tool the proposed film line-up. There's talk of a more 'WW centered' universe whatever that means. She'd definitely the golden goose for WB/DCEU so that makes sense.

I think Kevin Tsujihara is as useful as trying to climb a steep slope uphill on a rocking horse. He's shown utter incompetence and impetuousness in handling DCEU films. We saw this with them announcing BvS:UE as soon as BvS was released in cinemas. We saw it again with SS when he demanded re-shoots to alter the tone and add jokes within a very limited window. And it seems this happened with JL when he didn't like Snyder's initial cut and demanded it only have a 2-hour runtime. Why hire Geoff Johns and Jon Berg (*1) to head the DCEU if you're going to step over their heads and make these kind of rash decisions. If I were a shareholder I'd be considering whether I want him as head of WB.

(*1). Both of whom report to a different boss. How on Earth does that make any sense?

 

[brandeezy89]

Cavill says here that he still has a movie left on his contract

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...stice-league-henry-cavill-20171119-story.html

He also notes that he is contracted for another picture in the franchise and feels hopeful for Superman’s future.

“There’s a wonderful opportunity to tell the Superman story,” he says. “Now there is a fantastic chance to show Superman in his full colors and tell a very complex, character-driven movie that is based on story and have that wonderful sensation of hope and happiness. A feel-good movie with lessons laced in there as well.”

 

[STARMAN]

The only way I see Cavill coming back is if the fallout from JL eliminates several other DC projects and WB turns to a back to basics Superman standalone.

 

[Arachnerd]

Despite JL's reception, he's still clearly interested in playing the character. Now whether WB will let him is another matter.

 

[jmc]

Cavill was let down by everybody at WB over the last 4 years. Could easily have been the modern day Superman we all wanted but the character he was asked to play was all over the place. He was basically asked to play 3 different characters across all the films.

 

[Greenlite]

F***, Mark Hughes suggesting Superman's in Shazam (as I guessed), and to go forward they might need to make it standalone, or swap Superman for Wonder Woman.

I'm so, so bummed out. The Rock was not trolling

 

[Flint Marko]

I don't see a world in which we get a direct sequel to Snyder's JL, which WB really should've seen coming back when MoS' box office fell short of expectations. If I'm wrong then I'll admit it, but I see them quietly forgetting the growing pains of the DCEU and moving on to whatever the other film makers bring to the table.

I stand by what I said back in June. They're going to soft reboot the whole thing by handing off various properties to interesting film-makers and, above all else, cut the budgets on most of these things. At least that's what I'd do in this situation. You've already invested over a billion dollars into this universe so you better use it. Hand the keys over to some hungry auteur directors and see what kind of world they create.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Said it elsewhere tonight, no one (bar Ben, if that's what Reeves and he agree is right, that he will go) are going nowhere, most of all, Cavill. Yes, clearly JL isn't performing as anyone would want, does it represent world's end for this universe ? No.

Walk away with the advantages that JL has presented to the studio and re-align from there.

 

[Dark Raven]

How Will Justice League Affect the Wonder Woman Brand?

http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/wonder-woman-is-justice-league-bad-for-her-brand.html

It’s hard to faze Wonder Woman. Her fans? Well, they’re mere mortals, and thus prone to worrying. It’s not unreasonable for those who adore the immortal battlin’ Amazon known as Diana to be a little concerned about Justice League. In it, Gal Gadot reprises the role she originated in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice last year (Jesus, was it only last year? What a wild 18 months we’ve had) and took a star turn with in this summer’s Wonder Woman. But while Wonder Woman was beloved and acclaimed, Justice League has been met with a, shall we say, less-than-ecstatic critical reception. There are still plans for another Wonder Woman solo flick, but one can’t help wondering: will Justice League’s reception tarnish her public perception, thus making Wonder Woman 2 less of a priority for Warner Bros. and its superhero-fiction subsidiary DC Entertainment? Is the bloom off the wonder-rose?

Blissfully for her legions of admirers, the answer is no. If anything, it bolsters the Wonder Woman brand by virtue of being subpar. This is a repeat of what we saw in Batman v Superman: a troubled DC Extended Universe movie in which Diana is one of the few bright spots. From the very first time we see her and hear Danny Elfman’s rendition of her rad theme song (originally penned by Hans Zimmer and Tom Holkenborg), she induces goosebumps and fist-pumps. She appears atop a building, perched on a statue of Lady Justice — a little on the nose, but this is a superhero movie, so hell yeah — then foils the sinister plot of a group of terrorists who hate modernity and want to send humanity back to the Dark Ages. (Honestly, those villains are more interesting than the movie’s main antagonist, Steppenwolf, but that’s another matter.) Diana races at super-speed to ward off bullets aimed at civilians using her indestructible bracelets, gets in a burly brawl with the baddies, and reminds us why we loved her antics a few months back. “What are you?” one of the terrorists asks. “A believer,” she replies. Sure, that doesn’t make a ton of sense as a one-liner, but Gadot makes it work.

That’s a running theme for the actor throughout the film: taking meh material and selling the hell out of it. She’s the one burdened with the task of delivering nonsensical exposition about Steppenwolf, recalling an ancient story of the Amazons’ battle with him during the alien’s previous attempt at an invasion of our world. The actual text is garbled and confusing, obviously compressed and edited from some previous draft in order to (a) keep the movie’s runtime under two hours and (b) lessen the need for a sequel. That said, Gadot’s Israeli-accented vocal stylings give a kind of muted, tragic majesty to the flashback narrative. When she flirts with Ben Affleck’s Batman, the words fall flat on the page, but Gadot has an uncanny ability to seem both proud and genuinely interested in the profoundly unlikable Bruce Wayne. She rises above the fray of the oft-stupid arguments between members of the nascent Justice League by getting lines like, “Children. I work with children.” She’s teflon.

The only problem for the price of the Wonder Woman stock doesn’t have to do with the woman, herself, but rather with her people. When we see the Amazons fight Steppenwolf in the present tense, the guy more or less mows them down like so many blades of grass. They put up a valiant fight, but seem completely not up to the task. These are the people we’re supposed to believe are some of the finest warriors on Earth? Did they lose their mojo when Robin Wright’s Antiope got offed in Wonder Woman? If we’re going to see the Amazons again in Wonder Woman 2, it’ll be slightly harder to imagine them as unconquerable super-soldiers. But that’s a minor problem. Superhero universes are filled with instances where characters are infinitely powerful one minute and pitifully vulnerable the next, depending on what the plot calls for.

Justice League makes an effort to be the funniest of the DCEU movies, and occasionally stumbles while doing so. That said, Diana isn’t forced to be goofy, which was a wise choice. She gets to be regal and self-confident throughout, and the bad moments of the flick roll off of her like water on the back of the most badass duck you’ve ever seen. Plus, as DC execs told Vulture earlier this year, the idea for the DCEU at this point is to make the movies relative stand-alones, meaning none of what happened in Justice League is likely to be awkwardly brought up when we next see Diana in the Wonder Woman sequel. This picture will probably seem like a dim memory in which you have vague feelings of affection toward your favorite superheroine. She remains DC’s hottest property, and hype will be high for her next solo turn. At one point, Bruce tells Diana that, when it comes to us humans in man’s world, “You make them see their better selves.” The same can be said for this whole movie.

 

[MadVillainy]

Said it elsewhere tonight, no one (bar Ben, if that's what Reeves and he agree is right, that he will go) are going nowhere, most of all, Cavill. Yes, clearly JL isn't performing as anyone would want, does it represent world's end for this universe ? No.

Walk away with the advantages that JL has presented to the studio and re-align from there.

Why do you think Cavill will stay. I see no reason why

1. He's been in 3 movies so far. All 3 underperformed financially and have a mixed response
2. His performance in particular was criticized in 2/3 of those movies he was in.
3. His solo movie in particular did not exactly light the world on fire the way a first outing should. I felt more buzz for Ant-Man after his movie than I did for Cavill's Supes
4. If they're trying to move forward and make people forget about JL and BvS, which is what they'll probably do, why remind people by bringing back Cavill?


I just don't see why realistically bring him back. Sure he deserves a chance to play a proper Superman because I think he has it in him, but realistically I don't see why WB would give that to him

 

[STARMAN]

WB should also realize SS2 will have a big drop off.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Why do you think Cavill will stay. I see no reason why

1. He's been in 3 movies so far. All 3 underperformed financially and have a mixed response
2. His performance in particular was criticized in 2/3 of those movies he was in.
3. His solo movie in particular did not exactly light the world on fire the way a first outing should. I felt more buzz for Ant-Man after his movie than I did for Cavill's Supes
4. If they're trying to move forward and make people forget about JL and BvS, which is what they'll probably do, why remind people by bringing back Cavill?


I just don't see why realistically bring him back. Sure he deserves a chance to play a proper Superman because I think he has it in him, but realistically I don't see why WB would give that to him

His love of the character, Henry's professionalism throughout all this and the previous few years and there is NO ONE that comes close to playing the character with more conviction currently.

 

[Greenlite]

If they do dump Henry, goddamm at least get Nolan to direct Bond, played by Henry, then I'll forgive WB.

 

[STARMAN]

I like Henry. The odds are against him.