Justice League Real Talk - Where does the DCEU go from here? - Part 1

[Flemm]

The issue with Flashpoint is that it presents alternate versions of the characters, which I don't think would have much of an impact at the moment.

That sort of thing works in the comics as a break from the usual formula, but there isn't a formula yet in the DCU films. Or, at least, not a good one. Many of these characters have barely been established.

Granted, the movie might only be based loosely on the comic, but it still feels like a stretch at this point.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

Like Civil War, I presume Flashpoint isn't going to be a literal adaptation, but at this point, let's just hope it gets made

 

[Deck Rickard]

If there ever is a JL 2, maybe they should adapt Cosmic Odyssey. That would position Darkseid as an ally (differentiating him from Thanos). Then maybe in JL 3 he could be the main threat.

 

[Iceman]

The issue with Flashpoint is that it presents alternate versions of the characters, which I don't think would have much of an impact at the moment.

That sort of thing works in the comics as a break from the usual formula, but there isn't a formula yet in the DCU films. Or, at least, not a good one. Many of these characters have barely been established.

Granted, the movie might only be based loosely on the comic, but it still feels like a stretch at this point.

Agreed. You need to do things the traditional way first and build a solid foundation that the audience is behind before you start mucking about.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Agreed. You need to do things the traditional way first and build a solid foundation that the audience is behind before you start mucking about.

This

Seeing Thomas Wayne bats killing people with guns wouldn’t have the impact it should because regular ol Bruce Wayne kills people with guns.
Not handguns....but still

I feel like Snyder sacrificed stuff like that and under the red hood when he made batman kill.

 

[Greenlite]

I just want a Flash movie so I get to hang out with Ezra Miller

 

[Heretic]

The issue with Flashpoint is that it presents alternate versions of the characters, which I don't think would have much of an impact at the moment.

That sort of thing works in the comics as a break from the usual formula, but there isn't a formula yet in the DCU films. Or, at least, not a good one. Many of these characters have barely been established.

Granted, the movie might only be based loosely on the comic, but it still feels like a stretch at this point.

They used the laziest trick in the book to try to get around that...they relied on the fact that most of us walked into Man of Steel already knowing who these characters are at their core...so they figured that they didnt have to do any foundation building of their own because people would just fill in the blanks from their memories of the great work that other creators had done over the years. Pathetic. No...a voice-over in Man of Steel telling us about the core concepts of Superman wasn't enough because the character wasn't actually BEING that person. We're supposed to be torn up that Robin is dead because we know OTHER Robins that have existed...but we never met THIS one. It's the long-held belief in DC that logos are what matters, not characters...and that the consumer would respond to the logos like trained animals.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

I'd assume part of the appeal of Flashpoint is it's basically Justice League 1.5 with Flash in a main role. Similar to Captain America Civil War. Ideally it would get more people to see a Flash solo by having the Justice League in it.

However Cap got a big box office boost from having the Avengers show up in his third movie,

It feels weird saying this, but how much of a boxoffice boost is the Justice League appearing in a Flash movie?

 

[Greenlite]

they could do Flash solo, 5 years later if they string a few hits together they could do Flashpoint as Flash 2 or 3.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

they could do Flash solo, 5 years later if they string a few hits together they could do Flashpoint as Flash 2 or 3.

That’s what I want to happen

 

[Iceman]

Same here.

 

[AlluAllu]

Flashpoint doesn't have to feature Justice League. It could just be a story where Barry time travels.

 

[Consona]

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[FunkMiller]

Why on earth would WB commit hundreds of millions of dollars to a another movie starring the iterations of these characters that are currently bombing at the box office, along with ‘evil’ or alternate versions of the same characters?

Flashpoint would cost another 200 million, with zero guarantee the audience would give a **** about seeing it. It’s not happening.

 

[Consona]

edit wrong thread

 

[Micromind]

Why on earth would WB commit hundreds of millions of dollars to a another movie starring the iterations of these characters that are currently bombing at the box office, along with ‘evil’ or alternate versions of the same characters?

Flashpoint would cost another 200 million, with zero guarantee the audience would give a **** about seeing it. It’s not happening.

Thank Zod.

 

[jmc]

Yeah, I was all for a Flashpoint style reboot but that was under the assumption the film was actually going to be successful. Now it makes no sense. Each film in the this series has more or less had to correct the issues from the film before, and Flashpoint is the ultimate in-film course correction. I don't think anyone will care to see it, so yeah, it's a waste of time and money. You may as well just wipe the board clean.

 

[The Joker]

Agreed. You need to do things the traditional way first and build a solid foundation that the audience is behind before you start mucking about.

Exactly. If you build on a weak foundation, then the whole thing is on shaky support like the DCEU currently.

 

[Mani-Man]

Exactly. If you build on a weak foundation, then the whole thing is on shaky support like the DCEU currently.

Yeah.
JL did some good in working on this foundation, but its still shaky as it gets.
It will take a lot to replace this foundation.

Phase 1 is not the huge success we all hoped for, but that doesnt mean phase 2 cant become one...it just takes a bit of work and WB being willing to listen without trying to meddle too much.

 

[JOE]

Yeah.
JL did some good in working on this foundation, but its still shaky as it gets.
It will take a lot to replace this foundation.

Phase 1 is not the huge success we all hoped for, but that doesnt mean phase 2 cant become one...it just takes a bit of work and WB being willing to listen without trying to meddle too much.

What are they going to learn from JL that they couldn’t learn from MOS, BvS or Suicide Squad? It just seems hopeless for them.

 

[Mani-Man]

What are they going to learn from JL that they couldn’t learn from MOS, BvS or Suicide Squad? It just seems hopeless for them.

True, but maybe WB are just extremely slow learners...i hope. XD

 

[DerekLake]

Why on earth would WB commit hundreds of millions of dollars to a another movie starring the iterations of these characters that are currently bombing at the box office, along with ‘evil’ or alternate versions of the same characters?

Flashpoint would cost another 200 million, with zero guarantee the audience would give a **** about seeing it. It’s not happening.

Well, Flashpoint would be a bad idea for Barry Allen also. Justice League was meant to introduce the audience to Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg. If most of the GA did not show up, then JL failed to introduce the characters. Based on that alone, the Flash film should be a proper origin story film. Yes, hardcore CBM fans are tired of origin stories, but such films are meant to introduce the casual audience to these characters.

Besides, it might actually do a lot of good for WB to focus on character-focused origin story films (along with Batman, Wonder Woman and Superman sequels) to rebuild the DC brand.

 

[Greenlite]

Doesn't even need to be origin films, just a movie hanging out with Ezra fighting RF, or Boomerang lol.

 

[Cats]

Exactly. If you build on a weak foundation, then the whole thing is on shaky support like the DCEU currently.

The GA has short term memory though, nobody but die hard fans like us are going to put movie clips side by side to compare timelines. I say trudge on, make good movies, base the future movies loosely on the fact that the members of the JL know each other and fought someone called Steppenwolf together, and Superman is back, but make no other reference to previous movies.

 

[AverageMan]

I can see WB continuing to be bullish/ignorant/pig-headed call it whatever you will & carry on regardless.

Aquaman is in post, so obviously a definite.
WW2 is a go as currently, it's their only hot property
Shazam will get made, not really sure of the demand though, if it's linked with the DCEU, I can see it faltering, unless they play the ace up their sleeve - The Rock!
The Batman will also go ahead, plenty of what if's currently, but we all know WB loves the Bat.

Other than these, I still think we'll see Suicide Squad 2 & either GCS or Batgirl.

Off the back of JL, I think Flash & MoS 2 are indefinitely on hold (even though they were the 2 supposed positives)