Justice League Real Talk - Where does the DCEU go from here? - Part 1

[TheVileOne]

projected based on opening weekend that some say the film won't make 600M, yes, I saw and heard all that. Now the numbers for weekdays are in, it's targetting 700M and might have a chance to break even, instead of losing 100M some wanted.

That plus audience liking the characters (IF the legs are there)+WW2 and AM made by Wan and Bat by Reeves, rebooting everything would be a rash decision right now.

Fair enough, but I think weekend 2 and 3 are better indicators rather than assuming some higher than average weekday numbers will redeem this film at the box office.

 

[Lighthouse]

Breaking even is not a success. At least with a loss they can do a tax write off. Breaking even is a massive amount of time and work resulting in nothing.

 

[Patchwork Man]

Breaking even is not a success. At least with a loss they can do a tax write off. Breaking even is a massive amount of time and work resulting in nothing.

Of course. Nobody wants to just "break even." But I don't think we're looking at another X-Men: Apocalypse. In 5 days, Justice League has secured a gross of roughly 300 million.

 

[TheVileOne]

The movie might very well have a smaller drop because of Thanksgiving but some of the predictions just seem like fantasy.

We DC film universe fans got to hold on to some sort of hope I suppose.

 

[TheVileOne]

Of course. Nobody wants to just "break even." But I don't think we're looking at another X-Men: Apocalypse. In 5 days, Justice League has secured a gross of roughly 300 million.

Yeah $300 million worldwide for a movie that WB really needs to get over a billion to actually make money from it. Not to mention $185 million of that is from the overseas gross. Also that's not all money going right back into the pockets of the studio. The split for foreign gross is lower than than domestic. Not to mention, Justice League was distributed by other companies overseas rather than Warner Bros.

 

[Greenlite]

Today's Day 6. Tuesday had a good showing with around 10.5 million domestic. Big jump up from Monday.

It's far too early for anyone to gauge whether the movie will break even (my guess) or be a loss. Not counting today, it's made roughly 300 million worldwide.

Yup, 305M after Monday, not sure what tues/wed int numbers are.

The movie might very well have a smaller drop because of Thanksgiving but some of the predictions just seem like fantasy.

Something like 60M over the 5 day weekend to push 180M by Sunday.

 

[TheVileOne]

The film's actual weekend take was $94 million, which was well below the estimates and very far below projections.

 

[STARMAN]

You would need a great second weekend hold to change the box office narrative. I don't see it happening.

 

[Heretic]

100M worldwide or domestic?

if domestic then lol

He was talking domestic, of course.

 

[TheVileOne]

You would need a great second weekend hold to change the box office narrative. I don't see it happening.

It would need the most marginal of drops in a second weekend for a film like this. I don't see it happening either, even with a potentially decent hold due to the holiday.

 

[Greenlite]

Fair enough, but I think weekend 2 and 3 are better indicators rather than assuming some higher than average weekday numbers will redeem this film at the box office.

So FB and MJ2 had 2nd weekend drops of 39% and 49%, BOM is predicting a 56% drop, so will see how far off it is to those 2 movies.

He was talking domestic, of course.

haha ok then, big loud lol

 

[jmc]

My jaw dropped when Schnepp said Superman being in the new posters was going to boost JL box office. I agree with him that not marketing Superman was a mistake, but that it's now going to change the box office?

Not marketing Superman was ridiculous in hindsight, but to be honest WB have no-one to blame but themselves for allowing Snyder to kill the character off in BvS. I'm never going to understand that decision for as long as I live because they effectively painted themselves into a corner. There was honestly no winning for this movie, no way for it to overcome the mistakes of both MoS and BvS.

It frustrates me to no end how WB chose to build this universe on such flimsy foundations. 5 years of bad creative choices, of behind the scenes drama for nothing. And it all could have been avoided, that's the worst thing about this situation, it was all avoidable. All those arguments in the DC film forums over the years was about this very situation. Only it's 10 times worse. JL should have been one of the biggest movies of all time, and would have been had someone at WB just used some common ****ing sense. These characters deserve better than this.

 

[MbJ]

Not marketing Superman was ridiculous in hindsight, but to be honest WB have no-one to blame but themselves for allowing Snyder to kill the character off in BvS. I'm never going to understand that decision for as long as I live because they effectively painted themselves into a corner. There was honestly no winning for this movie, no way for it to overcome the mistakes of both MoS and BvS.

Like so much else in the movie (like Batman donning his DKR armor to fight Superman), it was a shallow attempt at pandering to the fanboys in the audience. Death of Superman was an insanely popular and iconic story, so clearly putting an homage to that in your movie will make the fans love it, right?

 

[jmc]

Plus The Dark Knight Returns too.

 

[Ryudoz]

Not marketing Superman was ridiculous in hindsight, but to be honest WB have no-one to blame but themselves for allowing Snyder to kill the character off in BvS. I'm never going to understand that decision for as long as I live because they effectively painted themselves into a corner. There was honestly no winning for this movie, no way for it to overcome the mistakes of both MoS and BvS.

After seeing the movie, I've been left with similar feelings, and in many respects a concern due to the way things played out in the film we actually had. If Superman being revived is a part of the plan from our heroes, I don't see why this wasn't a more driving narrative in the film and subsequently the marketing. Unless by that point Supes role was somehow different

To me it just feels like the plot to raise Supes should have been a component established earlier in the film in some way. Perhaps if that was also part of Steppenwolf's plan in Snyder's original draft. The race to revive the Man of Steel! Those would be some personal and world-conscious stakes.

But I'm not here to rewrite the film, that's for another thread. I just agree that the marketing of this film related to what we got was baffling in hindsight.

 

[jmc]

The other issue with the marketing was WB never really had an idea of what it was they were selling until a month or two before the film was released. But again, the main culprit was BvS not the marketing. No amount of polished trailers would have saved this movie, because it looked like the ones that came before it.

 

[Ryudoz]

In a way, it's kind of indicative of the fact that part of the problems with these films is purely systemic. It's becoming more apparent that WW's critical success might have been something of an outlier, all things considered.

 

[MbJ]

This is all why I firmly believe that despite what anyone says, the original plan was probably to keep Superman dead for most of this film, and then have his return at the end be some sort of cliffhanger to lead into Part 2 back when this was going to have an immediate sequel.

 

[jmc]

In a way, it's kind of indicative of the fact that part of the problems with these films is purely systemic. It's becoming more apparent that WW's critical success might have been something of an outlier, all things considered.

Wonder Woman was a fluke. Right place, right time, right director.

 

[Flemm]

It's becoming more apparent that WW's critical success might have been something of an outlier, all things considered.

The core of that film is so different. It looks somewhat similar in spots, particularly the CGI in the 3rd act, and Jenkins was able to include some nods here and there to Man of Steel.

But the character work is absolutely night and day. I can only guess that Jenkins is a very good director when it comes to that.

Monster is the other thing of hers that I have seen, which obviously contains a truly amazing performance in the lead role. She was writer and director. Beyond that, WW is the first thing I have seen by her.

 

[StormC]

I think we won't get a good feeling of the movie's future until after weekend 3. Thanksgiving is bound to be inflated. But I still would be surprised if this flies past 210-220M domestically.

 

[Limonade]

WB needs to focus on Wonder Woman and Batman script at this point. Make sure that is solid as a rock. Forget Cinematic Deadlines until the script is a Lock! Give Wan whatever he may need to polish Aquaman and make the movie the best it can be.

But dump the current timeline of movies UNTIL you have a great script on your hands. This is a movie studio, right? A script is not some sort of TPS report that anyone can cook up.

Don't try to fit a mediocre script into a blockbuster movie. It's just not in the best interest of everyone involved and it certainly isn't how you get butts in the seats.

I'm simply frustrated--as everyone had a hand in this, imo. Some of you are not going to like what I'm going to say...

I saw DC fans were pinning this would be this movie would be their Avengers and not X-Men: The Last Stand. Shame that the most hardcore fans couldn't join the criticisms levied early on since Man of Steel.

Y'all loved this crappy Snyder "trilogy" so much that some of y'all said that you didn't care if anyone else liked it--it was only until it began threatening the continuity of this particular franchise did you begin to care. A little too late at that point.

Which, in all honesty, I can't muster any sympathy in their current plight because of it.

 

[Superchan]

Not marketing Superman was ridiculous in hindsight, but to be honest WB have no-one to blame but themselves for allowing Snyder to kill the character off in BvS. I'm never going to understand that decision for as long as I live because they effectively painted themselves into a corner. There was honestly no winning for this movie, no way for it to overcome the mistakes of both MoS and BvS.

It frustrates me to no end how WB chose to build this universe on such flimsy foundations. 5 years of bad creative choices, of behind the scenes drama for nothing. And it all could have been avoided, that's the worst thing about this situation, it was all avoidable. All those arguments in the DC film forums over the years was about this very situation. Only it's 10 times worse. JL should have been one of the biggest movies of all time, and would have been had someone at WB just used some common ****ing sense. These characters deserve better than this.

Exactly my sentiments! First they get the guy who hasn't had a hit since 300 to reboot superman and when the reboot disappointed commercially and critically they reprimanded him by giving him the rest of the DC universe to "deconstruct".
The blame lies solely on WB's incompetence in failing to recognize Snyder's incompetence.

 

[thebatfan5194]

Superhero News' episode about the future of the DCEU really opened my eyes to the possibility of Henry being a casualty of this and the role being recast. Heartbreaking to me. I would keep him over Ben any day.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

After seeing the movie, I've been left with similar feelings, and in many respects a concern due to the way things played out in the film we actually had. If Superman being revived is a part of the plan from our heroes, I don't see why this wasn't a more driving narrative in the film and subsequently the marketing. Unless by that point Supes role was somehow different

To me it just feels like the plot to raise Supes should have been a component established earlier in the film in some way. Perhaps if that was also part of Steppenwolf's plan in Snyder's original draft. The race to revive the Man of Steel! Those would be some personal and world-conscious stakes.

But I'm not here to rewrite the film, that's for another thread. I just agree that the marketing of this film related to what we got was baffling in hindsight.

That was so stupid. Like how you sometimes randomly remember that you had one more beer left in the fridge, that's how Batman forged the plan resurrect Superman.

This should've been a big part of the entire movie from the start.