Justice League Real Talk - Where does the DCEU go from here? - Part 1

[Silvermoth]

I don't think he will. I think they get some decent creatives in and try to right the ship like xmen days of future past almost did

 

[FunkMiller]

You would need a great second weekend hold to change the box office narrative. I don't see it happening.

Stunningly good. Impossibly good. JL cost more than BvS, and BvS was widely considered to be an underperformed at the box office. For JL to be anywhere near BvS’s box office after second weekend, it would need to make a hundred and sixty five million dollars through second Sunday.

 

[spider-neil]

I hope he does. He's seemed bored and uninterested with this role from the get-go. His latest performance felt so phoned in.

That's because he (Affleck) knows the DCEU is a train wreck.
It looks like The Batman is going to be unconnected with the DCEU and he will be working with a quality director.

 

[spider-neil]

I agree. His performance in JL was uncomfortable to watch simply because he appears so uninterested in it all. It genuinely looks like he showed up on set, spoke his lines and executed the blocking to the director's satisfaction. His discomfort in the role, even in his stiff movements, are very evident in the scene with Alfred, as they talk about how "the team needs Clark." It really looks like an uncomfortably calculated, "Pick up device. Move to statue 1. Then move to statue 2. Stare. Speak line. Attempt to emote." It is all very robotic. It also doesn't help that his Bruce Wayne performance carries a lot of Affleck-isms -- like an abundance of blinking during scenes/lines that are supposed to carry great weight -- which results in tension dissipating instantly.

Affleck was a huge step back in terms of acting ability and commitment to the role.

Ben was fantastic in the role in BvS. Therefore something has happened since BvS. He is probably just checked out of the shared universe. And to be fair so is everyone else. The Batman looks like it will be a stand-alone movie.

 

[Greenlite]

That's because he (Affleck) knows the DCEU is a train wreck.
It looks like The Batman is going to be unconnected with the DCEU and he will be working with a quality director.

Ben is gone.

and WB and the world thinks he's a trainwreck too

 

[Iceman]

I hope he does. He's seemed bored and uninterested with this role from the get-go. His latest performance felt so phoned in.

As Bruce Wayne he seemed really tired the whole time.

 

[Greenlite]

Superhero News' episode about the future of the DCEU really opened my eyes to the possibility of Henry being a casualty of this and the role being recast. Heartbreaking to me. I would keep him over Ben any day.

I think take out Ben should be enough, as he's the true face of the universe since 2014. But Henry's chance is not good

My dream would be if Patty Jenkins seeks a deal with WB and makes WW2 and MOS2 with Henry, because she's a lovely person

I'd hate it if they let Margot and Ezra go as well, like WTF. They could pitch it to the board members/shareholders that Harley could be retained in the Matt Reeves' series and spin off into her own series (SS, GCS, HQ/Joker) to keep selling those shirts and tickets.

For Ezra, dammit, hire one of those Lego movie directors and get him a 100M solo movie, and get Gal to support him if needed. Did Mark Hughes just say WB talked to Lord and Miller about returning for Flash after Flashpoint? If so, gosh, get them now for a 2020 release with Ezra!

 

[Greenlite]

As Bruce Wayne he seemed really tired the whole time.

I'm tired Alfred

 

[harlequinade]

That's because he (Affleck) knows the DCEU is a train wreck.

Yes one of these is a trainwreck but it's not DCEU.

 

[Greenlite]

Yes one of these is a trainwreck but it's not DCEU.

Spot on.

PR wise it's either him or Gal.

Go figure

 

[Iceman]

I'm tired Alfred

Haha, poor guy. Even the script couldn't hide it.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Haha, poor guy. Even the script couldn't hide it.

He really needs to go.

No graceful exit

No cool segue out

Just go

 

[Greenlite]

Lol at the last two posts

 

[BatLand]

This is so weird. After so many years of hyping and waiting for these movies to come out, I just feel empty. Like, no more hype left at all. That is a depressing feeling, it feels like something important in my life has gone away. I know these are just movies but all the times I've killed time and read up on whats going on with the DCEU, all the times I've waited eagerly for a new trailer or some new pic, that's all gone now. I don't care anymore, and JL did that.

Now, I'm not saying JL was horrible. Actually, when I saw it I was surprised that it wasn't all that bad, I had a lot of fun. But after a week I feel so underwhelmed by this. I don't want to go see it again, I feel it doesn't have any rewatch value. I've seen BvS UC like 4 times, it's one of my favorite movies. MoS I've seen many times too. Now I don't care anymore. And it makes me feel sad.

Now I don't know what will happen, maybe they'll course-correct with Aquaman and they should, but I feel this will not end well for WB. I feel like even the divisiveness of these films is gone, it's just "meh". And nobody cares about meh. At least with a dividing movie you get the chance of people going in and seeing for themselves.

 

[Poppy]

But if he goes, they would have to recast Alfred too, right?

 

[harlequinade]

But if he goes, they would have to recast Alfred too, right?

Why?

Irons is one of the best things this universe has going for it

 

[FunkMiller]

Why?

Irons is one of the best things this universe has going for it

There’s no real reason to dump Irons unless they’re divorcing themselves from the DCEU in the next Batman film.

 

[JOE]

Dump everyone, including Gal. Start fresh, no association with the current DCeU. That’s the only way to reboot. Either blow it all up, or weather the storm.

 

[MadVillainy]

Dump everyone, including Gal. Start fresh, no association with the current DCeU. That’s the only way to reboot. Either blow it all up, or weather the storm.

Nah

I dont even like Gal but getting rid of her would be all kinds of dumb

 

[DerekLake]

Dump everyone, including Gal. Start fresh, no association with the current DCeU. That’s the only way to reboot. Either blow it all up, or weather the storm.

Unless WW 2 performs poorly, there is no way they dump her. They will keep her and just use WW 2 to spin into a new continuity. She has nothing but positive buzz, and a stellar performance to support it.

Aquaman will get made, but I doubt Aquaman will perform well because audiences didn't turn out to see him in JL (he and Barry were the big focus of all trailers), and he is now connected to JL.

Shazam will get made, especially now. In fact, after JL, Shazam is WB's best chance to get a Superman-like character onscreen. And if it does well (and there's no reason yet to think it won't), he'll likely take Superman's place in whatever becomes of the DC Films universe.

The next Batman will likely be entirely standalone. In fact I don't see them connecting it to WW or Shazam at all. If anything, they'll probably just create separate Batman and "Superhero" universes.

I expect they'll scrap Cyborg and reboot Flash entirely. Again, if relatively few people showed up despite trailers marketing Barry and Victor, it's hard to justify giving them more films. Cyborg was the hardest sell anyway, so after JL he just won't get anything. Flash will likely be put on hold for a few years until they find a new actor - they already have a well-regarded TV show, so there's no rush for them. And, of course, as much as I hate it, Henry Cavill is likely done, unless Geoff Johns wants and can convince WB to do one more Superman film.

 

[Tra-El]

Dump everyone, including Gal. Start fresh, no association with the current DCeU. That’s the only way to reboot. Either blow it all up, or weather the storm.

LOL, this would be an uber mistake. One that would garner a much more emotional negative response from the fanbase like what yours is above. I think it's pretty clear now that WB was gearing up for this. The new DC Films banner and the idea of releasing that information to the public is all we needed to know once the dust settles. Everyone is so keen on hard rebooting when the problems within' the DCEU is and always will be linked to WB and their meddling. Wonder Woman proved that if they can just get talent in like Jenkins and let them pull through with their vision then the DCEU as a whole isn't the problem where it CAN be fixed and many things retconned where the audience wouldn't even notice. WB needs to look themselves in the mirror.

 

[MadVillainy]

Unless WW 2 performs poorly, there is no way they dump her. They will keep her and just use WW 2 to spin into a new continuity. She has nothing but positive buzz, and a stellar performance to support it.

Aquaman will get made, but I doubt Aquaman will perform well because audiences didn't turn out to see him in JL (he and Barry were the big focus of all trailers), and he is now connected to JL.

Shazam will get made, especially now. In fact, after JL, Shazam is WB's best chance to get a Superman-like character onscreen. And if it does well (and there's no reason yet to think it won't), he'll likely take Superman's place in whatever becomes of the DC Films universe.

The next Batman will likely be entirely standalone. In fact I don't see them connecting it to WW or Shazam at all. If anything, they'll probably just create separate Batman and "Superhero" universes.

I expect they'll scrap Cyborg and reboot Flash entirely. Again, if relatively few people showed up despite trailers marketing Barry and Victor, it's hard to justify giving them more films. Cyborg was the hardest sell anyway, so after JL he just won't get anything. Flash will likely be put on hold for a few years until they find a new actor - they already have a well-regarded TV show, so there's no rush for them. And, of course, as much as I hate it, Henry Cavill is likely done, unless Geoff Johns wants and can convince WB to do one more Superman film.

I don't think they'll make a connected universe at all moving forward. What's the point. One team up is a disappointment the next is looking like another disappointment. Why make another?

 

[Tra-El]

Standalone solo films that are still connected to create some narrative is all the new films under the DC Banner is what needs to be established. The Wonder Woman blueprint needs to be expanded on. Stay the course but retcon/distance yourself's from certain aspects and just make bombastic/good films going forward that the audience can get behind. One great movie again like Wonder Woman can change the entire premise. Henry mentioned the "right mistakes were made.." which means the studio are aware. JL was their first Frankeinstein to head in a different direction. Time to patch it up, move on and churn out great movies.

 

[Mani-Man]

LOL, this would be an uber mistake. One that would garner a much more emotional negative response from the fanbase like what yours is above. I think it's pretty clear now that WB was gearing up for this. The new DC Films banner and the idea of releasing that information to the public is all we needed to know once the dust settles. Everyone is so keen on hard rebooting when the problems within' the DCEU is and always will be linked to WB and their meddling. Wonder Woman proved that if they can just get talent in like Jenkins and let them pull through with their vision then the DCEU as a whole isn't the problem where it CAN be fixed and many things retconned where the audience wouldn't even notice. WB needs to look themselves in the mirror.

Yup.
A hard or soft reboot is a mistake.
You simply need to let directors do their thing and not meddle with it.
Get good talent and let them do this how they want.

If you must, take Snyder away from directing but keep him as producer...but either way, Stop Meddling With The Movies Warner Brothers.

 

[FunkMiller]

Audiences long ago stopped giving a crap about solid continuity in comic movies.

A hard reboot is not necessary.