Justice League Real Talk - Where does the DCEU go from here? - Part 1

[2kt09]

Nah I don't think that's true. I think all the main 6-7 had huge cinematic potential. Then something like Suicide Squad has/had huge potential. I mean even sidekick characters like Nightwing, Batgirl, Supergirl, even Robin have potential. Villains like The Joker, Catwoman have potential. There's a New Gods movie.

And beyond that DC characters were just better ingrained in pop culture which made them more valuable potentially. DC/WB just took too long to leap so the MCU beat them and got their characters popping. Then when DC decided to leap they crashed head first into some rocks

Green Lantern is the most obvious example of this. Apparently, the script at some point was more epic and trailblazing.
What was released instead? discount Iron Man.

The DCEU has come as far as it did because of familiar novelties/gimmicks after the Nolan-ization of Superman. It's the same with the DCCW stuff.

 

[brandeezy89]

I don't know what a hard reboot will solve when the same people are in charge. When you blow up a sports team, you blow up everything, the coach, his personal and sometimes the GM or even Owner. You don't blow it up and just change the head coach. Ex. The Browns have had the same upper management for forever and that reflects in the quality of their team. The last time they won a playoff game was in 1994.

The 13 month drought isn't going to help either. The DCeU was just starting to regain the GA's trust with Wonder Woman, then they crush it with JL and make us wait 13 months for Aquaman? I don't know who's calling the shots at WB, but I'd like to buy whatever they're on.

We were suppose to get Flash in March, Batman in July and Aquaman in Oct. before all the director drama. Tomb Raider took Flash's date and I believe The Nun took The Batman's then they pushed AM back.

 

[spider-neil]

I wonder if WB is ruing the decision to can JL Mortal.
Think about it, the shared icon movie would have proceeded Avengers by YEARS.
They would have been first to the punch and would have made far more money than the latest JL movie.

 

[Boom]

I was holding onto hope that they would eventually get to a New Gods franchise in the near future.

That hope is dead.

 

[spider-neil]

I was holding onto hope that they would eventually get to a New Gods franchise in the near future.

That hope is dead.

We're never going to see C-List DC characters on the big screen.
My favourite DC character is Firestorm. That won't happen in a million years when we are going to see the freaking WASP get her own movie at Marvel. Marvel can take chances, DC can't anymore.

 

[2kt09]

We're never going to see C-List DC characters on the big screen.
My favourite DC character is Firestorm. That won't happen in a million years when we are going to see the freaking WASP get her own movie at Marvel. Marvel can take chances, DC can't anymore.

If they don't. They absolutely will reboot.
The cbm genre is no longer about a trilogy of remakes.

 

[JOE]

We're never going to see C-List DC characters on the big screen.
My favourite DC character is Firestorm. That won't happen in a million years when we are going to see the freaking WASP get her own movie at Marvel. Marvel can take chances, DC can't anymore.

I think the exact opposite. The only risk DC took was giving Snyder cart blanche from the get go.

They went with their biggest guns (character wise) and hired big name actors. Look how that panned out for them.

I think they're next step should include a no-name actor/actress with a B level character with a great story and a director with something to prove.

 

[Mandon Knight]

The 13 month drought isn't going to help either. The DCeU was just starting to regain the GA's trust with Wonder Woman, then they crush it with JL and make us wait 13 months for Aquaman? I don't know who's calling the shots at WB, but I'd like to buy whatever they're on.

In fairness, such a big gap between now and Aquaman wasn't 'part of the plan', Flash was originally supposed to be released between the two films.

 

[JOE]

In fairness, such a big gap between now and Aquaman wasn't 'part of the plan', Flash was originally supposed to be released between the two films.

Despite it being part of the plan or not, it's bad planning whether Justice League was a hit or not.

You have the likes of Marvel and FOX releasing 2-3 films per year. Your competition are going to crush you and your brand in a 13 month drought. DC is losing in too many aspects outside of their films critical and box office performance right now.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

If WB is as stupid as everyone says they are (something I 1000% agree with) What makes everyone think they won't keep doing some more stupid s**t over and over again?

I wouldn't be surprised if they BEG Snyder to make JL2 to release in januari 2019 to ride the wave they think Aquaman is gonna make.

I mean... they're stupid for a reason.

How many times are we DC fans gonna claim something to be impossible or unfathomable only to watch WB/DC do just that stupid thing.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I think the gap will help honestly.
The more distance from JL the better.

 

[JOE]

If WB is as stupid as everyone says they are (something I 1000% agree with) What makes everyone think they won't keep doing some more stupid s**t over and over again?

I wouldn't be surprised if they BEG Snyder to make JL2 to release in januari 2019 to ride the wave they think Aquaman is gonna make.

I mean... they're stupid for a reason.

How many times are we DC fans gonna claim something to be impossible or unfathomable only to watch WB/DC do just that stupid thing.

There's only one person who could fix the DCeU...

Spoiler

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Despite it being part of the plan or not, it's bad planning whether Justice League was a hit or not.

You have the likes of Marvel and FOX releasing 2-3 films per year. Your competition are going to crush you and your brand in a 13 month drought. DC is losing in too many aspects outside of their films critical and box office performance right now.

Quality should always take priority over quantity.
Especially in DC’s situation.

 

[FunkMiller]

There's only one person who could fix the DCeU...

Spoiler

Wrong Nolan.

 

[vinepixie100]

Well... about an hour ago Heroic Hollywood posted an article that there is an open casting call for Nightwing. So, as of now, The "DCEU" is still safe.

 

[_Superman_]

Well... about an hour ago Heroic Hollywood posted an article that there is an open casting call for Nightwing. So, as of now, The "DCEU" is still safe.

No the Bat-family is safe and really it was never endangered. It is the Superman movies I worry and care about. Screw Batman IMO he had his time. Hell he even hijacked my man's movie.

 

[vinepixie100]

No the Bat-family is safe and really it was never endangered. It is the Superman movies I worry and care about. Screw Batman IMO he had his time. Hell he even hijacked my man's movie.

I previously liked Ben Affleck, but with him being wishy washy and showing lackluster worth of passion for playing batman is turning me off. It proves that having a movie with Batman in it doesnt mean everyone will flock to the theatres.

If they recasted him, I would have no problem. I dont want a reboot though. If they keep starting over with Batman, its going to become the new Spiderman. Even I have Spiderman fatigue.

 

[Web-Head]

Green Lantern is the most obvious example of this. Apparently, the script at some point was more epic and trailblazing.
What was released instead? discount Iron Man.

The DCEU has come as far as it did because of familiar novelties/gimmicks after the Nolan-ization of Superman. It's the same with the DCCW stuff.

That's because that's what they wanted, their own Iron Man. It's no secret and WB wanted GL to be the first movie in their cinematic universe. Didn't work out

 

[OdinSon]

I don't actually believe this at all. Superman may be the single most overrated IP out there. It was maybe top dog from World War 2 to the first few Chris Reeves films, but it no longer connects with people on the same level anymore, which is why the films struggle and they don't even feel the need to put Cavill's Superman in the marketing (even though everyone knows he's coming back). It's valuable, but Spiderman is bigger.

I don't agree with this at all. Thor is similar character as Supes in a lot of ways and modern audience still enjoy his movies. Make good movies and people will come to watch them. Had Snyder directed all Thor movies, their reception wouldn't be any better. Don't even get me started on Superman Returns. Bryan Singer has gone on record saying he was trying to make romantic drama to attract women to watch the movie. Even Ant man has proven to be popular and you think Superman can't be? There is also the fact that Man of Steel significantly OUT GROSSED many Marvel introductory movies such as Ant man, Thor 1, Captain American despite having way worse RT score.

You may ask what's the reason MOS received bad RT score? Does that have something to do with character? I will say no for the following reasons:

(1) Superman Returs did get good RT reviews

(2) BVS with even Batman did poorly on RT. Bad score has more to do with Snyder. Remember, last 5 movies by Snyder have all been rotten.

There is absolutely no doubt in mind that a good director can turn Superman into a success. Even the quality of Captain America's movies went up significantly after the first movie when Russo Brothers started directing his movies. When people reject Supes they don't take into account the strong negative impact of Snyders movies. Failure of Snyders movies shouldn't be attributed to Superman.

 

[2kt09]

That's because that's what they wanted, their own Iron Man. It's no secret and WB wanted GL to be the first movie in their cinematic universe. Didn't work out

which is my point. DC movies will continue to be held under the lens of either nostalgia or what the competition has already done.

The only way to break out of that is if Aquaman somehow ends up not being undersea Thor or Shazam not being Spider-Man lite. Glad they decided on Flashpoint.

 

[JOE]

Quality should always take priority over quantity.
Especially in DC’s situation.

That's the thing, FOX and especially Marvel are releasing both. DC at the moment isn't hitting any of those notes.

 

[semper]

which is my point. DC movies will continue to be held under the lens of either nostalgia or what the competition has already done.

The only way to break out of that is if Aquaman somehow ends up not being undersea Thor or Shazam not being Spider-Man lite. Glad they decided on Flashpoint.

The only way to do it is to adapt a superhero property that is unique by inception. Something like Legion Of Superheroes. An army sized group of teenage heroes set in the far future. Hard for that to rely on nostalgia or be seen as a Marvel copycat.

But after JL, Legion would be seen as an expensive risk (a team movie, with more characters, but none of them as well known), so it'll never happen.

 

[JOE]

Wrong Nolan.

I'm sorry, which Nolan would you prefer lol?

 

[RoryTate]

If you got time read this great article by Mark Hughes. It explains what's going at WB right now, and what actions they will probably take to make DC click.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhu...suit-are-major-trouble-for-dceu/#2a735ae44b91

That's a pretty good article, and it does a decent job of arguing why the larger legal issues will affect the decisions moving forward (with WB looking to reduce risk greatly). However, the way it approaches the solo movies is too simplistic. There is a huge risk with the solo movies trying (and perhaps failing) to separate themselves from the shared universe. Go the easy route and just keep the solo outings contained, and you will have trouble not telling the same story as the previous movie. Grow the setting to keep things fresh and you run afoul of the extended universe that has been established.

I mean, look at the solo Marvel movies for IM, CA, and Thor. All of them had sequels that used aspects of the shared universe in order to keep them fresh and attractive to audiences. Disconnecting a superhero from the wider universe is not something that has been attempted before, and WB really have their work cut out for them if they try to make it work.

 

[Poppy]

There's only one person who could fix the DCeU...

Spoiler

I've seen several people asking for Nolan to return but to me it's like asking Elfamn to return, and we know how that turned out.

Nolan's trilogy is still one of my favorite but Nolan's (too) grounded take on comic book characters wouldn't work today, when a silly character like Ant-man gets its own film. And wasn't Nolan involved in MoS anyway?

But I hope that the next directors WB'll hire will have Nolan's profile before he did Batman Begins: a good take on the characters + some small critically acclaimed movies. Like Patty Jenkins before WW. Or Rian Johnson before TLJ.