Justice League Real Talk - Where does the DCEU go from here? - Part 1

[MbJ]

I said this in another thread, but if I were a wb exec I would be very worried about Suicide Squad 2 right now. Most people are attributing JL's weak opening to audience members who were turned off by how the previous movie turned out, and Suicide Squad is usually considered just as bad as BVS.

 

[Cats]

I said this in another thread, but if I were a wb exec I would be very worried about Suicide Squad 2 right now. Most people are attributing JL's weak opening to audience members who were turned off by how the previous movie turned out, and Suicide Squad is usually considered just as bad as BVS.

Rightly so. SS2 is one of their worst ideas yet, apart from elseworlds Joker. I wonder who's suggesting all these movies, and do they even understand their market?

 

[Dark Raven]

There is more chance of me playing Batman in the next movie than there is of them dumping Gal Gadot. She is the one great thing to come out of this garbage fire.

She's a huge box office draw, and an incredible role model for young women. She's served in the bloody military, is a dedicated mother, and basically doesn't appear to give a **** about playing the Hollywood game. There's a reason she works so well as Wonder Woman.

WB would be clinically insane to even think about not supporting her career for years to come. WW 2 makes a billion at the box office, regardless of whatever other bungling is going on around it.

She is pretty much Wonder Woman in real life, which is why she's so praised in the role. The lines between reality and fiction have blurred in the same way that RDJ seems to have become Tony Stark in real life.

I don't think there is even another actress at the moment who would be the complete package like Gal. Sure, there may be better actresses or women who may be beautiful etc. But it's everything from having the personality, doing certain activities in real life, having certain values etc. People can assume a role, but it's a different thing to completely embody the character.

That's why Patty Jenkins always said that she is essentially WW, and if in doubt about how to play any scene, Gal just needs to be herself.

 

[Greenlite]

It depends on what stats they have, if they bring in China - that's a fresh new property there and DC is making more and more there, you have Will Smith+Harley Quinn, you probably make up 100M+ right there.

and TF2 was badly received but made a ton, TF3 still made a ton with those visuals. So if they get the right director, allow him to make good stuff, cut down the budget to 120-150M with practical actions/villains, garner good reviews, play it to the teens/young adults, they could actually make about the same money worldwide at the end, at least, and they get to sell those Harley products again.

 

[kingcharmingman]

Gal was dumped once,
I guess the guy that dumped her must be weeping his ass off everyday seeing how beloved she is right now.

Same to wb if they ever thought of rebooting ww.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

SS had good trailers, plus the first post-Ledger Joker.

So interest was high, just like with BvS. Look at the opening weekend numbers. But a lot of people didn't dig it, so I definitely see the sequel making less.

Unless the rumors are true, and the mission is to secure Black Adam, then maybe that could provide more interest with the Rock's involvement.

 

[Greenlite]

I was thinking 25% drop US and 15-20% int like JL, so that's 250M DOM, 350M in, 100M China = 700M WW, on a 120-150M budget and more potential to sell side products before Halloween.

As for China they just need to either leave Katana or CGI her out of the movie for the showing there, and sweet talk the officials and Wanda lol.

 

[Heretic]

Harley is far too valuable to risk by placing her in SS2...but then again...without her there is absolutely no reason to make a SS2.

It's funny...DC has so many potentially great characters, and we're talking about a sequel to a movie featuring a bunch of scrubs that never should have been co-starring in a movie to begin with.

 

[Greenlite]

Ya no point having a SS movie without Harley, that's got bomb written all over it.

I was thinking SS2 (her and Will Smith can still be the main draw, with a good story hopefully), and then she can do GCS (Catwoman and Ivy, first "bad girls" supervillain CBM if Sony don't end up making that Black and Silver movie), there's the option of Mad Love as well if they can somehow make it work and Harley still has her fanbase, then GCS vs batgirl/Birds of Prey, she can generate a huge franchise alone, I'd be gutted if they just do the surviving 4 and dump her.

Plus she's in the bat universe, with a new actor/director in the role, the "new" brand can still keep HQ and/or SS going there.

 

[Web-Head]

Gal was dumped once,
I guess the guy that dumped her must be weeping his ass off everyday seeing how beloved she is right now.

Same to wb if they ever thought of rebooting ww.

 

[Vlyse]

to be honest if Gal shares the screen with Jake, that might be an upgrade and draw the interest of the mainstream more, and IMO has that "novelty" factor

edit: I could see WB using "who's the next Batman" with the press to lead the conversation to the next stage of DC on film.

this is my main worry with Affleck leaving - Gadot was tested for the role in part due to having chemistry with Affleck on screen. When Affleck bows out, I will miss that.

Cavill/Affleck too ... but less so.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

For SS2, maybe they should make Joker the main antagonist (like they should have in the first), with Deathstroke as his hired muscle and Black Adam as his endgame.

 

[Heretic]

Joker and Harley are away from the team at this point...so SS2 has to either be about them trying to get her back or just ignore her and Joker completely.

I'd rather have Joker & Harley: Mad Love...that seems like a far better idea, box office wise. Then, do that Deathstroke movie, if you must, and have the plot be Suicide Squad trying to stop him...and he kills them all and succeeds in his mission (yes, I'm suggesting a movie where the villain wins and kills the good guys...increasing the value of a villain is the only value that the members of SS have).

I do not need to have the SS scrubs defeat Joker, Deathstroke and Black Adam in one film. That devalues their villains for nothing.

 

[Dark Raven]

this is my main worry with Affleck leaving - Gadot was tested for the role in part due to having chemistry with Affleck on screen. When Affleck bows out, I will miss that.

Cavill/Affleck too ... but less so.

But it's not like you were missing the chemistry between Gal and Affleck in WW. And neither did the audience.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

But it's not like you were missing the chemistry between Gal and Affleck in WW. And neither did the audience.

This

 

[kingcharmingman]

I think Gal and Ben had more chemistry in bvs than in jl.
Plot in jl went so fast that i didnt pay much attention to those slower scenes.

 

[JOE]

Can’t see the DCeU continuing on when JL makes 700m.

 

[Greenlite]

Can’t see the DCeU continuing on when JL makes 700m.

We know, we know.

#dumpgalgadot

 

[BestGirl]

this is my main worry with Affleck leaving - Gadot was tested for the role in part due to having chemistry with Affleck on screen. When Affleck bows out, I will miss that.

Cavill/Affleck too ... but less so.

Gal had great chemistry with Chris Pine, too. I'll bet she'd have great chemistry with just about anyone.

 

[Micromind]

If JL makes more than what BvS did Overseas, even though it would be under-perfom when compared to Avengers, then it would signal that people want to see these movies, there is still a market out there, and since this movie (JL) was not a well made movie, I would like to see how a really well made JL movie does.

SO, they can continue with current DCEU.

 

[DeadlyDiarrhea]

What is it about the chemistry between Affleck and Gadot? Was I supposed to notice something?

I'd rather have a movie competently made rather than being strictly "comic-accurate". I mean, how comic-accurate was Nolan's Joker?

 

[Cats]

If JL makes more than what BvS did Overseas, even though it would be under-perfom when compared to Avengers, then it would signal that people want to see these movies, there is still a market out there, and since this movie (JL) was not a well made movie, I would like to see how a really well made JL movie does.

SO, they can continue with current DCEU.

It's times like these we wish Barry could reverse time and have them redo the JL starting from BvS.

 

[Greenlite]

If JL makes more than what BvS did Overseas, even though it would be under-perfom when compared to Avengers, then it would signal that people want to see these movies, there is still a market out there, and since this movie (JL) was not a well made movie, I would like to see how a really well made JL movie does.

SO, they can continue with current DCEU.

they will prob target 460M, BvS did 540M, but China JL should make 100M+ from 51M start compared to BVS' 90M from 55M

IMO if the legs = BVS then we're done, but if it legs out a bit then it's possible about what you said to some extent

 

[TheVileOne]

There wasn't anything especially special about Affleck and Gadot's "chemistry."

 

[Flemm]

I said this in another thread, but if I were a wb exec I would be very worried about Suicide Squad 2 right now. Most people are attributing JL's weak opening to audience members who were turned off by how the previous movie turned out, and Suicide Squad is usually considered just as bad as BVS.

That is the dilemma they face, unfortunately.

People do like Harley a lot, so maybe re-branding the movie around her would make sense. But the movie will still have to deliver on the quality.

They are not going to be able to fool people with smoke and mirrors. Or at least not enough people to keep the box office above disappointing/embarrassing levels in the US.