Reality Check(Budget vs. Profit)

[Xfanfan]

I dont think Box office to be trusted with budgets, I just read a interview with Brian Singer that his budget for Superman was 204 million. So right there that takes away any credibility Box office mojo had about been accurate about budgets. I have read on several sites that the production budget was $165 million and on one it was at $150 million so 210 is not the final figure.

Xfanfan

 

[danoyse]

I don't know what point you are trying to make with the first sentences. I have been in small cruise ships before that can easily fit over 50 people. Sheez. 15 people could hide in the bathroom.

So they're taking a cruise ship to Alcatraz now?! Why don't they just hire the Love Boat?

Magneto was captured. Toad died. Sabertooth probably died and Raven disguised herself.

Yes, but the plan was that they would get away...they would have needed the boat.

Well it depends on how much time passed after the X-Men fought the brotherhood of evil mutants and rescued rogue. You do know the X-Jet had a radar disruption device don't you.

And you know Westchester is barely 20 minutes away by car?

Yep, I thought this was pretty funny to. To bad it's the only logical explaination for why Magneto's tactical skills were gone in this film.

Um, no.

Fair enough. Except in X-Men 3 there was no hesitation to kill Leech.

Or anyone else, if he wanted.

Magneto probably figured that the X-Men and Xavier were resourceful enough to get out of the complex.

Really? That's why his last words to the Professor were "Goodbye, old friend."

 

[Theweepeople]

I dont think Box office to be trusted with budgets, I just read a interview with Brian Singer that his budget for Superman was 204 million. So right there that takes away any credibility Box office mojo had about been accurate about budgets. I have read on several sites that the production budget was $165 million and on one it was at $150 million so 210 is not the final figure.

Xfanfan

This does not prove that Box office mojo is wrong. Box office mojo probably got those #s from the money these movie companies spent on marketing.

 

[Theweepeople]

"

So they're taking a cruise ship to Alcatraz now?! Why don't they just hire the Love Boat?"

Cruise ships come in many different sizes. I have been on small ones that can fit over 50 people and travel up to 50 miles per hour. I was not thinking of the love boat.



"Yes, but the plan was that they would get away...they would have needed the boat. "


I'm not sure what your point is.



"And you know Westchester is barely 20 minutes away by car?"

Which makes Magneto's plan to carry 50 mutants on the Golden Gate Bridge in broad daylight even more idiotic. Hell. The government could have ordered a couple of F-16's to shoot it down before it got to Al-Catraz despite the lives of a 50 to 100 humans being sacrificed.



"Um, no."

Your opinion.



"Or anyone else, if he wanted."

What do you mean?



"Really? That's why his last words to the Professor were "Goodbye, old friend."

Another one of your assumptions.

Talk to you later. It is time for me to go to work.

 

[thegameq]

Intersting post.

X3 is one of those films that didn't live up to expectations from both the comic fans and non comic fans. Subsequently bad word of mouth has hurt it.

 

[CapBeerCino]

"

So they're taking a cruise ship to Alcatraz now?! Why don't they just hire the Love Boat?"

Cruise ships come in many different sizes. I have been on small ones that can fit over 50 people and travel up to 50 miles per hour. I was not thinking of the love boat.



"Yes, but the plan was that they would get away...they would have needed the boat. "


I'm not sure what your point is.



"And you know Westchester is barely 20 minutes away by car?"

Which makes Magneto's plan to carry 50 mutants on the Golden Gate Bridge in broad daylight even more idiotic. Hell. The government could have ordered a couple of F-16's to shoot it down before it got to Al-Catraz despite the lives of a 50 to 100 humans being sacrificed.



"Um, no."

Your opinion.



"Or anyone else, if he wanted."

What do you mean?



"Really? That's why his last words to the Professor were "Goodbye, old friend."

Another one of your assumptions.

Talk to you later. It is time for me to go to work.

For the love of god use the "quote" option! I can't understand your posts!

 

[Theweepeople]

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For the love of god use the "quote" option! I can't understand your posts!

All of Dayonese quotes are surrounded by quotations in my last post.

 

[Theweepeople]

So they're taking a cruise ship to Alcatraz now?! Why don't they just hire the Love Boat?

Cruise ships come in many different sizes. I have been on small ones that are 30x smaller than your love boat and can fit over 50 people and travel up to 50 miles per hour.

Yes, but the plan was that they would get away...they would have needed the boat.

What makes you think Magneto wanted to leave the Statue of Liberty after using the machine? He probably wanted to be around the new people who were turned into mutants.(Thereby, encouranging them to accept their fate.) However, I will give you an escape plan. Magneto could have told Toad and Raven to hold onto the Machine as he transported them, himself, and Sabertooth to another location.

And you know Westchester is barely 20 minutes away by car?

Which makes Magneto's plan to carry 50 mutants on the Golden Gate Bridge in broad daylight even more idiotic. Hell. The government could have ordered a couple of F-16's to shoot it down before it got to Al-Catraz despite the lives of a 50 to 100 humans being sacrificed.

Um, no.

Your opinion.

Or anyone else, if he wanted.

Where in X-Men 3 did Magneto randomly threaten to kill another mutant other than Leech.

Really? That's why his last words to the Professor were "Goodbye, old friend."

Professor X referred to Magneto as old friend in X-Men before he left the plastic prison at the end.

 

[D-scythe]

I dont blame Ratner, or Fox for X men 3 not being successful. I blame all the thick-headed fan boys who complained so much about this movie being unfaithful to the comics. Do they not realize that it would be near impossible to remain completely faithful to the comics? If they did make a firebird with the Pheonix, then people who aren't fans of the movies would be confused at why fire surrounds her. Not to menion, it might look a little fake. And as for Juggernaut not being a mutant and being a half brother of Xavier. Do they really have time to explain that in the movie. Would people take this movie seriously if Juggernaut started talking about how he gained his powers through the magic bands of cytorak? And they can complain all they want about Pheonix not being done properly, but the Pheonix is a celestial force who eats galaxies and feeds off stars. That would be near impossible to make believable on the screen. Movies are completely different from comics. And another person we can blame is Singer, for dropping out of doing this movie. I know he said he'd do it after Superman, but the point is you should finish what you started and Superman could've waited. X men comes out every 3 years. If he didnt do it when he was suppossed to, people would become impatient and lose interest.

Honestly, are you dense or something? Maybe a bit slow? You fabricate (yes, absolutely make up) all this crap about hard-core fanboys wanting X3 to stay true to the comics, but I guarantee you that you will not find ONE post in this ENTIRE forum (and probably not any other respected forum on the internet) by ANYONE that asked for: Corsair, or Phoenix being an omnipowerful galaxy eater, or having the Shi'ar play some role in the movie, etc.

Next time, don't make up crap to try to prove your point. It's insulting to everyone, including yourself.

 

[Fanticon]

Oh my god...why are we letting Theweepeople post threads? This subject is old, don't come on here and try insulting everyones inteligence, noob. I've never had anything against anybody on these boards until you showed up...do you want a medal? Because I don't think they hand them out on this board...try going to IMDb...seriously. Just relax and discuss these wonderful and horribly bad movies like everyone else here...yes, we do discuss when we dislike a film too.

 

[danoyse]

Cruise ships come in many different sizes. I have been on small ones that are 30x smaller than your love boat and can fit over 50 people and travel up to 50 miles per hour.

Why don't they just take the Disney Cruise Line? If the Brotherhood succeeded at Alcatraz, Magneto could just take them all to Disneyland later.

What makes you think Magneto wanted to leave the Statue of Liberty after using the machine? He probably wanted to be around the new people who were turned into mutants.(Thereby, encouranging them to accept their fate.) However, I will give you an escape plan. Magneto could have told Toad and Raven to hold onto the Machine as he transported them, himself, and Sabertooth to another location.

Because people would be very angry with him? Not to mention, they'd probably want to arrest him? They're not just going to look up and say "Oh, he's responsible? Oh well."

Also, they just told Magneto that his machine had killed Senator Kelly. I think he'd want to make a run for it if his plan failed (which it would have) and he killed every world leader on the planet. There are laws against that.

Which makes Magneto's plan to carry 50 mutants on the Golden Gate Bridge in broad daylight even more idiotic. Hell. The government could have ordered a couple of F-16's to shoot it down before it got to Al-Catraz despite the lives of a 50 to 100 humans being sacrificed.

The bridge moved in minutes. They wouldn't get there in time. And it was more than 50-100 humans.

Where in X-Men 3 did Magneto randomly threaten to kill another mutant other than Leech.

Well, he tossed Wolverine across the woods--don't think he cared what happened to him. He sent Pyro out to take care of Bobby.

And let's not forget..."In chess, the pawns go first." He sent the first wave of mutants out there because he knew they would either get cured or killed. He didn't care about them at all once they'd served his purpose.

Professor X referred to Magneto as old friend in X-Men before he left the plastic prison at the end.

X1: "The war is coming Charles, and I intend to stop it by any means necessary." -Magneto
"And I will always be there, old friend." -Xavier

X2: "Goodbye, old friend." -Magneto

Xavier wasn't planning on going anywhere when he said that line at the end of X1.

 

[Theweepeople]

Oh my god...why are we letting Theweepeople post threads? This subject is old, don't come on here and try insulting everyones inteligence, noob. I've never had anything against anybody on these boards until you showed up...do you want a medal? Because I don't think they hand them out on this board...try going to IMDb...seriously. Just relax and discuss these wonderful and horribly bad movies like everyone else here...yes, we do discuss when we dislike a film too.

You are mad at me because of what? Next time try being a little more specific about what I did to insult your inteligence.

 

[Theweepeople]

Why don't they just take the Disney Cruise Line? If the Brotherhood succeeded at Alcatraz, Magneto could just take them all to Disneyland later.

This has nothing to do with my answer to your last question. You are merely asking questions for the sake of asking them now.

Because people would be very angry with him? Not to mention, they'd probably want to arrest him? They're not just going to look up and say "Oh, he's responsible? Oh well."

Also, they just told Magneto that his machine had killed Senator Kelly. I think he'd want to make a run for it if his plan failed (which it would have) and he killed every world leader on the planet. There are laws against that.

Interesting. However, you failed to respond to my easily contrived escape plan for Magneto.

The bridge moved in minutes. They wouldn't get there in time. And it was more than 50-100 humans.

You are really reaching with this. So instead you counted 500 to 1000 mutants. That's believable. About as believable as 500 to 1000 mutants being able to casually walk up to the Golden Gate Bridge in broad daylight without a single civilian or person in law enforcement noticing until the bridge started to shake.

Well, he tossed Wolverine across the woods--don't think he cared what happened to him. He sent Pyro out to take care of Bobby.

I'm not sure where you are going with this. Yes he did not care about Wolverine. He never liked wolverine because he stopped Magneto's plan in X-Men 1. Yes he sent Pyro to kill Bobby. Magneto has had no problem with killing mutants that try to mess up his plans. I understood this in X-Men 1 and 2. However, in X-Men 3 I thought his decision to kill Leech was at the very least bizzare. When he ripped off a portion of the bridge to transport mutants to Al-Catraz I thought his plan to capture Leech and hold him for ransom or something like that. But, instead Magneto comes up with the idea to kill Leech out of nowhere. Which brings me to why in the hell didn't Magneto just fly over Al-Catraz and make the building collapse on itself. Like I said before Magneto is either senile or his character has completely changed in this movie.

And let's not forget..."In chess, the pawns go first." He sent the first wave of mutants out there because he knew they would either get cured or killed. He didn't care about them at all once they'd served his purpose.

This is wrong. If what you said was true then Magneto wouldn't have been so suprised that he couldn't control the plastic guns being fired by the soilders at his mutant army(Which does not make any sense because each of those guns has a metallic needle in it so Magneto should have stopped every gun from firing in the first place.) Magneto thought his army would slaughter the soilders and a few X-Men. He wasn't prepared for 70% of his army getting wiped out in a couple of seconds(Which is clearly why your belief about the size of Magneto's army being much greater than 100 is absurd. Most of Magneto's army was gone after the soilders fired their guns once. Then Arlight destroyed the guns.)

X1: "The war is coming Charles, and I intend to stop it by any means necessary." -Magneto
"And I will always be there, old friend." -Xavier

X2: "Goodbye, old friend." -Magneto

Xavier wasn't planning on going anywhere when he said that line at the end of X1.

Once again you've convinced yourself you can read mutants minds. Maybe Magneto figured he wouldn't see Xavier for a while. The dialogue between Xavier and Magneto near the beginning of X-Men convinced me they probably hadn't seen each other in years.

 

[Fanticon]

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Theweepeople listen up
The title of your thread for starters...and your arguments in the boxoffice tracker thread...everything you're saying sounds regurgitated and derivative...what is your obsession with being right about the boxoffice? Its like you joined and started posting just to set the records straight on what exactly? Give it a rest, people have opinions and you can back up everything you say with facts or ideas of your own (wether these are infact your original thoughts) and it won't change anything about the fact that people are here to share ideas and those opinions...and it sounds like you jumped in here to try and correct everyone as if you are on some kind of mission from the box office gods. While doing so you're making a complete ass out of yourself...why don't you try listening for a change and contribute to meaningful topics and posts other than your own...instead of alienating yourself from the rest of the commnunity...try going back and re-reading your posts...I think a lot of us would agree that you've joined with a real chip on your shoulder...right now your ripping Danoyse apart, if you noticed he's been a member here longer than you or I, and from what I've seen in the last few months, he usually has very interesting things to say...whats next your gonna try to challenge a moderator?

 

[Avalanche]

(Which does not make any sense because each of those guns has a metallic needle in it so Magneto should have stopped every gun from firing in the first place.)

This line of reasoning annoys the hell out of me. Why to people presume the darts are metal. I'm pretty sure there are other non-metallic materials that can be used for the darts, and that the government did indeed use such materials. I see no reason why they'd go to the trouble of 'no metal' only to include metal in their most important weapon. You're just looking for faults now.

 

[Theweepeople]

This line of reasoning annoys the hell out of me. Why to people presume the darts are metal.

Simply because these darts don't exist. Remember the scene in the forest where Magneto shows Jean Grey the needles with the cure. Look closely at those needles again and you tell me if they look non-metallic.

I'm pretty sure there are other non-metallic materials that can be used for the darts, and that the government did indeed use such materials. I see no reason why they'd go to the trouble of 'no metal' only to include metal in their most important weapon.

I have a degree in chemistry and have studied it for many years now. I've also worked in the pharmaceutical and medical industries. Why would scientists spend a fortune on trying to develop a non-metallic needle(When there is no guarantee it can be developed in the first.) when they have to spend money on developing cures for cancer, aids, other dangerous diseases, and medical conditions.

You're just looking for faults now.

No. It took almost zero effort to notice the flaws in this film after seeing it only once. It takes effort to see flaws in X-Men 1 and 2.

 

[liamoversion2]

No. It took almost zero effort to notice the flaws in this film after seeing it only once. It takes effort to see flaws in X-Men 1 and 2.

Yeah, this gets to the core of the issue really in on sentence.

 

[PhoenixRisen]

Yeah, this gets to the core of the issue really in on sentence.

Not really. What were Stryker's glasses frames made of when he visited Magneto in prison in X2? Oh that's right, plastic covered with metallic-looking paint. Not to mention that the average human body contains about 5 grams of iron. In fact, the whole plastic prison scene falls apart if you overanalyze it. You guys are funny.

 

[ntcrawler]

Yeah, this gets to the core of the issue really in on sentence.

Yeah, exactly. X1 and X2 had things happening that actually made sense. The only debatable aspect I found were the reasons why Jean wanted to end her own life, but otherwise nothing really jumped out at me. While with X3 there were so many inconsistencies and evidence of sloppy writing that you literally just couldn't stand it anymore and the whole storyline lost credibility. That's why I said that I'd be willing to rewatch scenes from X3 over and over again, but couldn't bear to watch the movie as a whole.

 

[danoyse]

No. It took almost zero effort to notice the flaws in this film after seeing it only once. It takes effort to see flaws in X-Men 1 and 2.

Good thing you didn't see X1 with my friend who's brother is in the NYPD. They thought it was hilarious how they managed to get to the Statue of Liberty so easily.

 

[D-scythe]

Good thing you didn't see X1 with my friend who's brother is in the NYPD. They thought it was hilarious how they managed to get to the Statue of Liberty so easily.

Yeah, okay. Magneto, Sabertooth, Mystique and Toad vs. the NYPD in close quarter combat. Even if the security/police are able to draw their guns, and even if Magneto somehow failed to stop all the bullets, I have no doubt that Mystique and Sabertooth would make short work of any officer there in such a fight.

In fact, they'd beat them so easily that...you guessed it...they wouldn't even need to show it on screen.

Face it. Any way you look at it, X3 was FAR more laughable than X1 and X2 was, despite having more budget than the other two combined.

 

[CapBeerCino]

No. It took almost zero effort to notice the flaws in this film after seeing it only once. It takes effort to see flaws in X-Men 1 and 2.

That is so true! I was thinking that even while watching the movie for the first (and last) time.

I always have to go to moviemistakes.com to find flaws. I think this is one of the first times I noticed mistakes in a movie when I'm at the cinema, and not in a second/ third view.

 

[danoyse]

Yeah, okay. Magneto, Sabertooth, Mystique and Toad vs. the NYPD in close quarter combat. Even if the security/police are able to draw their guns, and even if Magneto somehow failed to stop all the bullets, I have no doubt that Mystique and Sabertooth would make short work of any officer there in such a fight.

But if every world leader is there, shouldn't the security be better? Surely it would have been noticed if half the security went missing.

I work in NY--they shut the city down for the Republican Convention. Can't imagine the security for a 'World Summit' would be any less then that.

Face it. Any way you look at it, X3 was FAR more laughable than X1 and X2 was, despite having more budget than the other two combined.

No, people just make excuses for plot holes in the first two because they liked those movies more. They're really not all that different.

 

[PhoenixRisen]

That is so true! I was thinking that even while watching the movie for the first (and last) time.

I always have to go to moviemistakes.com to find flaws. I think this is one of the first times I noticed mistakes in a movie when I'm at the cinema, and not in a second/ third view.

It really depends on your attitude going into a movie. These ARE comic book movies after all. Given the scientific impossibility of most superpowers, you will be able to find errors and plot holes in all of them. I'm sure you had no problem in X2 with Magneto magically appearing at the exact spot where the X-Jet crashed because you weren't in nitpick mode. And I'm sure you didn't conduct a volume analysis of the amount of water held back by the dam and the acreage and height the water supposedly covered upon its collapse. But because you went into X3 predisposed to dislike it, your negativity antenna was fully operational. Nothing anyone can do about that for ya!

Normally I don't bother with these silly debates about which movie is more laughable but I must be in a weird mood today--or maybe it was just that the whole "debate" itself was so laughable I couldn't resist!! (Kind of like the original premise of this thread that international ticket sales somehow don't factor into a movie's profitability.)

 

[D-scythe]

But if every world leader is there, shouldn't the security be better? Surely it would have been noticed if half the security went missing.

I work in NY--they shut the city down for the Republican Convention. Can't imagine the security for a 'World Summit' would be any less then that.

Okay, let's say they boost security up a bit (how bout, like 3 times more personnel on duty). So let's see, does that change the fact that Magneto, Mystique and Sabertooth alone could probably take them ALL out without a shot being fired? No. In fact, its laughable. Anyway you look at it, the mutants were better prepared - Mystique would've given the team perfect intelligence, Magneto would still win if up against 100 security guards, and nobody but Wolverine could stand up to Sabertooth in close quarters combat.

Besides, consider the budget X1 had. They couldn't include EVERYTHING. On the other hand, X3 could've, but for various reasons (rushed production, etc.) didn't. For X1 and X2, people have to nitpick to pick out the flaws - in X3, they are blatantly obvious. The flaws in X1 and X2 do not hurt the story at all, whereas in X3, it does (at some points), and reduces it to nothing but an action summer blockbuster.

No, people just make excuses for plot holes in the first two because they liked those movies more. They're really not all that different.

And...that would be your opinion. Fact is, they are THAT different. Obvious, something is wrong when you have such a huge budget yet fail to reproduce the same financial success as the previous two installments of the trilogy. A blind man would see that something IS different.