The Dark Knight Recycling Villains - How do you feel about it?

[DarkKnight84]

Some of the general public might be confused why the joker is in this one. "Didn't he die in the first one?" That's where the bat-geeks must put them in their place.

 

[bbasher]

clayface would look absolutely fantastic on screen!!


but i guess im one of the few that thinks so

 

[Doc Samson]

Some of the general public might be confused why the joker is in this one. "Didn't he die in the first one?" That's where the bat-geeks must put them in their place.

I sure hope not, considering all the visual differences, not to mention BB. Then again, I never give the general movie audience too much credit when it comes to seeing the obvious...

 

[CaptainClown]

I had to explain to so many people that this was a new series of films. Especially after they go isn't Nicholson really old now?

 

[1981]

A lot of people think Begins was a prequel.

 

[Nepenthes]

clayface would look absolutely fantastic on screen!!


but i guess im one of the few that thinks so

clayface would be good if he's a megastar actor with mob connections. Frank Sinatra type guy, at the top of the world. But he's fcks up and they're gonna kill him...so he fakes his own death. But of course there's nowhere someone as famous as him can hide, he'll be tracked down wherever he goes so he needs to have plastic surgery. He meets the most advanced leaders in the field and because he's so loaded he helps them to perfect a new technique that actually enables him to remodel his face with little fuss. It requires an operation, but he can change his appearance periodically without ruining his face. But now, the man who had it all is reduced to being a 'no one'. No more attention, no more fame, no more true identity, he's just 'pretending' his whole life away. From here he either trvales the world funding hitmen to take out his international enemies, or he attempts to build a fortune in illegal corporate affairs, or becomes obsssed with Batman, the celebrity with two lives, and tries to figure out his identity or become close to him.

You could also do soemthing where his face begins to droop after a while, requiring more operations to restore it. Of course when the mob takes out his little team of surgeons he's stuck looking like a drooping mess. I guess the overall theme would be something about shifting identity, or lack of, along with privacy, notoriety, fame, etc. He'd become a threat to Batman by impersinating powerful figures and using his money to send teams of hitmen.

He's basically Michael Jackson if Michael was into crime instead of little boys.

 

[CaptainClown]

Ya especially since it came out with a bunch of other movies that were prequels at the time.. I think I can't remember haha

 

[CaptainClown]

nepenthes in one of these forums I wrote a concept of clay-face, not an origin but how to present him

 

[Juanigi]

yeah, in the context of just having a "clay" face instead of completely morphing he could work

 

[CaptainClown]

In a Nolan world ya thats how I see it. I like that frank sinatra comparison

 

[Bright Knight]

Batman 89, Returns, Forever, And Batman And Robin
dont exist in us Batman Begin Fans mind

its a different series...and different feel as in the films momentum and stuff

I love Batman 89, for the record, and I am a HUGE fan of Nolan's and of Begins... But Batman 89 is my favourite one of all of them... Having that said, I'm sure TDK will take it's place.

 

[1981]

I'd like to see Clayface, but it reminds me too much of Sandman.

 

[CaptainClown]

The idea how I would implement it is make that batman kinda like a horror and clayface kind of like the thing but he doesn't turn into an absurd sandman

 

[Crook]

Clayface should be done just like he is in BTAS. Anything less, and it's muddling down the character imo.

 

[jesse custer]

Meh...it's more interpretation than correction.

I agree. Nolan's also here to give bat fans the films they've been clamoring for. On that note stick with the classic villans. a better villian can not be made up than those in the classic rouges gallery.

Was anyone really completely satsfied with Freeze, Poison Ivy, Joker(really!) , Catwoman or Riddler in the last set of bat flicks? I wasn't and i'm happy to see nolan in there doing batfilms that i lke thoroughly and compltely.

 

[jesse custer]

clayface would be good if he's a megastar actor with mob connections. Frank Sinatra type guy, at the top of the world. But he's fcks up and they're gonna kill him...so he fakes his own death. But of course there's nowhere someone as famous as him can hide, he'll be tracked down wherever he goes so he needs to have plastic surgery. He meets the most advanced leaders in the field and because he's so loaded he helps them to perfect a new technique that actually enables him to remodel his face with little fuss. It requires an operation, but he can change his appearance periodically without ruining his face. But now, the man who had it all is reduced to being a 'no one'. No more attention, no more fame, no more true identity, he's just 'pretending' his whole life away. From here he either trvales the world funding hitmen to take out his international enemies, or he attempts to build a fortune in illegal corporate affairs, or becomes obsssed with Batman, the celebrity with two lives, and tries to figure out his identity or become close to him.

You could also do soemthing where his face begins to droop after a while, requiring more operations to restore it. Of course when the mob takes out his little team of surgeons he's stuck looking like a drooping mess. I guess the overall theme would be something about shifting identity, or lack of, along with privacy, notoriety, fame, etc. He'd become a threat to Batman by impersinating powerful figures and using his money to send teams of hitmen.

He's basically Michael Jackson if Michael was into crime instead of little boys.

YOU'VE GOTTA BE ****IN' KIDDIN'!

 

[bcgvh]

Batman 89, Returns, Forever, And Batman And Robin
dont exist in us Batman Begin Fans mind

EXACTLY!!! And The Joker is the 1 villian that SHOULD be brought back time and time again. I do think it's funny though that some of the "general public" still think that these new Batman films are somehow related to the old ones. I mean, it's pretty bad when you hear people saying stuff like, "didn't the Joker die, how can they bring him back?" and "what happened to Robin?"

 

[jesse custer]

EXACTLY!!! And The Joker is the 1 villian that SHOULD be brought back time and time again. I do think it's funny though that some of the "general public" still think that these new Batman films are somehow related to the old ones. I mean, it's pretty bad when you hear people saying stuff like, "didn't the Joker die, how can they bring him back?" and "what happened to Robin?"

Really don't those f**** get it by now???

 

[1981]

. I mean, it's pretty bad when you hear people saying stuff like, "didn't the Joker die, how can they bring him back?" and "what happened to Robin?"

Just tell them Schumacher killed them all. Nolan's here to bring them back.

 

[jesse custer]

EXACTLY!!! And The Joker is the 1 villian that SHOULD be brought back time and time again. I do think it's funny though that some of the "general public" still think that these new Batman films are somehow related to the old ones. I mean, it's pretty bad when you hear people saying stuff like, "didn't the Joker die, how can they bring him back?" and "what happened to Robin?"

I actually heard such a conversation. The guy was just baffled stupid over the whole thing and some women explained it to him. call me an ass but I had this look of mild disdain...covering up an inner disgust.


it's like "why are you even at this movie???"

 

[Nepenthes]

Clayface should be done just like he is in BTAS. Anything less, and it's muddling down the character imo.

To me all the morphing and throwing dirt around the place just helps to obscure the charcter. Boil it down to the vital elements - a guy who lost his own identity, but can on take others - and from there there's plenty interesting places to go without having to involve mud slingling and giant fists. They're only good for eye candy anyway.

Of course if you're doing a kids cartoon you're gonna make him a monster though. Or if the films go the way of BR again. Just sayin, there's way to rework all the rogues for something like a nolan type film and still keep them true to the original motivations and psychology (ok maybe not man-bat though).

YOU'VE GOTTA BE ****IN' KIDDIN'!

NO I'M DEAD FCKEN SERIOUS!!

 

[CaptainClown]

You could have a genetically enhanced Bat that is just huge and terrorizes other then that I don't see any logical reason to have it other then hey its a giant bat flying around

 

[TromaFreak64]

Man-bat and Clayface seem like harder villians to do in Nolans world.

However I think some of the easy ones would be Catwoman, Riddler, Penguin, Black Mask, Mad Hatter, Harley Quinn, Bane, and oldschool Poison Ivy, Hush, Talia Al Ghul, Scarface, Deadshot, Prometheus, Lady Shiva, David Cain,

Harder ones to do in Nolan-verse are:
Killer Croc, Clayface, Man-bat, Mr. Freeze, New-school poison Ivy...

I mean some of the characters would suffer changes to be in the Nolan-verse in the "easy" to do list, but oh well....

 

[CaptainClown]

I heard a good Killer croc but he was just help Mr. Freez you could do as a sub villain also things you would change is his blaster is basically a high powered water gun that shoots liquid nitrogen. He basically freezes and breaks down vault doors nothing too fancy. His suit would be a heating and a suit that helps protect him from the freezing spray from his gun. Well thats my take on those two

 

[Crook]

To me all the morphing and throwing dirt around the place just helps to obscure the charcter. Boil it down to the vital elements - a guy who lost his own identity, but can on take others - and from there there's plenty interesting places to go without having to involve mud slingling and giant fists. They're only good for eye candy anyway.

Dude's basically a Mystique if you go that route. And I doubt he's going to serve much of any entertainment factor, unless you make him do martial arts. Which would be ridiculous for him.

Taking away the monster aspect of his character is an extreme disservice. As I said before, BTAS handled his story arc very well. A man trapped inside a grotesque image, after being so used to being the "IT" guy, shows a great downfall. Sure he can take on any image he wants, but the important thing is he can't maintain that look forever. If I remember correctly, he constantly needs to take in that special chemical to retain his form. If that's so, it's even more interesting adding in the addiction element. Something that hasn't been really done before with a villain.

Timm and Dini managed to make something deep out of a shallow shell. All this, for a kid's cartoon mind you. There are limitless possibilities with Clayface. He has more potential than Sandman.