The Dark Knight Recycling Villains - How do you feel about it?

[Dvhyzs]

CLARIFICATION: By recycling, I simply mean having the same villains again. I don't mean "revamping" them or whatever.

oh...word.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Completely agree. And as long as they don't team up the same exact way either.

I think I'd blow a gasket of anyone ever has Freeze, Ivy, and Bane team up again. I'd love to see all three of them put on screen correctly, but not together again!

This film our highlight villains seem to be Joker and Two Face. That sounds great to me, but if Joker had been Riddler and he teamed with Face again, that would have been a bad idea.

That's one of the reasons I'm hoping AMH is playing The Riddler. It would be interesting to have them both sharing a movie together, but they're both done right.

That's actually one of the reasons I'm okay with all these villains showing up. Having The Joker, Two-Face, Scarecrow and The Riddler all on the loose in Gotham City, but all doing their own thing, adds to this sense of Gotham as a living, breathing world.

 

[Two-Face]

Sorry but Batman franchise needed a reboot.

 

[rohitiyer]

I think a lot of people felt the same thing about SUPERMAN RETURNS. I mean Lex Luthor again!

I remember during the build up for that movie, we kept speculating/hoping that there would be someone new like Parasite or Metallo.

It was disappointing to say the least.

 

[Sccmj23]

Sorry but Batman franchise needed a reboot.

Nothing to be sorry about. We all love BB and know it was badly needed to revamp the franchise.

 

[fcrowelle06]

I agree with Keyser...let's see villains: Joker, Riddler, Two-Face. Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, Scarface, Scarecrow, Bane, Killer Croc, Ras Al Ghul, Clay-Face, Catwoman, Hush, Black Mask.....this could work really well

 

[the_monk]

I feel it's less about recycling villains and more about getting them right.

 

[rohitiyer]

I feel it's less about recycling villains and more about getting them right.

But that's exactly what kinda bugs me - It almost feels like some sort of correction.

 

[Dvhyzs]

But that's exactly what kinda bugs me - It almost feels like some sort of correction.

Meh...it's more interpretation than correction.

 

[Figs]

CLARIFICATION: By recycling, I simply mean having the same villains again. I don't mean "revamping" them or whatever.

I think it's a great idea as long as they have a reason and motive to be in it again. Not just for the sake of throwing them back in a sequel. I like the fact that Nolan is doing that with Scarecrow for the first time in comic films. Well, I'm not counting Hackman as Luthor in the Donner Superman films.

 

[fcrowelle06]

for me Hush's Riddler is the perfect incarnation of Edward Nygma, but even though I did like Jim Carrey's interpretation even though Batman Forever was terrible...I don't know, I guess you could just tone him down a little

 

[rohitiyer]

Meh...it's more interpretation than correction.

Too true. Interpretation... does sound right.

 

[Figs]

for me Hush's Riddler is the perfect incarnation of Edward Nygma, but even though I did like Jim Carrey's interpretation even though Batman Forever was terrible...I don't know, I guess you could just tone him down a little

I also liked Riddler in Hush. The thing I disagree on though is not toning the Jim Carrey version down a little but a lot, and I mean a lot. I don't recall the Riddler ever prancing around like a fairy and wearing weird hairdoes and skintight suits in the comic.

 

[Victarion]

I love it. New takes on Joker, Two-Face, and possibly The Riddler (though I hated his characterization in The Long Halloween and Dark Victory) are wonderful, especially with Scarecrow still running around. For mobsters, rather than retread Penguin, Black Mask could be a new character and Talia a new love interest, rather than Catwoman.

 

[Dvhyzs]

I also liked Riddler in Hush. The thing I disagree on though is not toning the Jim Carrey version down a little but a lot, and I mean a lot. I don't recall the Riddler ever prancing around like a fairy and wearing weird hairdoes and skintight suits in the comic.

Don't forget the glitter...

 

[rohitiyer]

Actually, I had this same feeling when "The New Batman/Superman Adventures" and "The Batman" (the new animated series) came out. It just made me want to see more of the original B:TAS more.

Same goes for JUSTICE LEAGUE and even the new Spider-Man series that came on MTV. I just thought it was way too close to the previous incarnation.

 

[fcrowelle06]

oh that, Jim Carrey was based off the Adam West show's Riddler (at least Jim did his homework which is what actors are supposed to do) and that Riddler was I think based of the earlier comics around the time when the Joker was just a harmless prankster, I mean even the riddler was more threatening than the Joker back then

 

[Figs]

Don't forget the glitter...

LOL, how could I have forgotten that too! *smacks head*

 

[Keyser Soze]

I also liked Riddler in Hush. The thing I disagree on though is not toning the Jim Carrey version down a little but a lot, and I mean a lot. I don't recall the Riddler ever prancing around like a fairy and wearing weird hairdoes and skintight suits in the comic.

Actually, I have to say Dini's current take on The Riddler in Detective Comics is arguably my favourite interpretation of the character in the comics.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Considering batman was originally designed as the greatest detective in the world, I always considered the Riddler to be his ideal villain for this. If I were to make a batman film, the origin(I use the term loosely) would have the riddler as the villain.

Anyway, different villains would be nice, however I can understand some of the reason for using the joker. What would be really pathetic, is if they have something relating back to Ra in the third film, THAT would be recycling in the worst possible way.

 

[rohitiyer]

I don't know how this would fit into Nolan's films, but I really want to see Man-Bat. That was one of the creepiest villains in TAS. Great story arc as well.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Batman is so far (other than the Hulk), the only franchise to have a reboot so quickly after the last run. That's one of the reasons that having villains who've already featured in the previous Bat-movies kinda gets to me.

Don't get me wrong - I loved Batman Begins and I'm really, REALLY loving what I've seen of TDK. But what about how the general public would see it? It's possible that a lot of people will still be thinking of Jack Nicholson when the movie comes out and wonder, "The Joker and Two-face? Didn't they already do those guys?" And considering that Batman probably has the coolest rogues gallery, it might have been possible to have looked at others.

That's what I liked about BB - I'd never seen Ra's or Scarecrow on screen. But now we're gonna definitely have Joker and Two-face again. Then there's speculation about the Riddler, Penguin and Catwoman in the third installment as possibilities.

I don't know why, but it does kinda bother me.

In fact, I've always wondered why comic-book movies don't utilize their platform to say show us a new villain and this goes for most franchises. I think it'd be kinda cool to announce a new villain who we know nothing about and it would be interesting to see how the hype for that would build up.

Opinions?

 

[Yurka]

I think that it's fine for villains to be re-used in these films, so long as Nolan is able to do something original with them rather than retreading their roles in the earlier films.

I think its fine to "recycle" villains.

thats like saying certain artists are allowed to only draw certain characters.
You have to have different peoples interpretation.

 

[Dvhyzs]

I think its fine to "recycle" villains.

thats like saying certain artists are allowed to only draw certain characters.
You have to have different peoples interpretation.

lol...read all my posts.

 

[rohitiyer]

Meh. I'd equate him with Carmine Falcone. I did kinda mean ahem... "Supervillains".
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