Returns or 89?

Returns or 89?

  • Batman 89

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If this is to be believed:
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Burton's Joker was going to go around wearing a big Scarecrow type hat, sunglasses, a scarf, and some big buttoned up overcoat....

It's definitely to be believed as it first appeared in the Official Batman Movie Magazine back in 1989.

I think I lean more towards Batman 89, just because it was the first Batman movie and the one that made me a fan of the character. But I can be persuaded easily towards Returns.
 
If Sam Hamm and Bob Kane got involved in Batman Returns, Tim Burton's Penguin would've just been a one-dimensional lame ass long nosed fat Al Capone rip-off Mobster in a tuxedo with trick umbrella's but nothing more deeper and Catwoman would've just been a jewel thief that steals for no goddamn reason, although the thief incarnation can work with the right origins. Sam Hamm's early draft for Returns had the plot of Penguin and Catwoman stealing hidden gold beneath Wayne Manor, had Robin and Bruce Wayne marries Vicki Vale. That would've been horrible, good thing Burton rejected that draft and wanted Hamm completely out of the project plus they got someone witty like Daniel Waters to write the screenplay.

I think Tim Burton's Scarecrow would've been f'ing brilliant and also Arkham Asylum. :awesome: Just f'ck WB for firing Burton because of silly things like McDonalds and ignorant soccer moms but karma got back at them when Batman & Robin become a flop. :funny::lmao:
 
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Just f'ck WB for firing Burton because of silly things like McDonalds and ignorant soccer moms but karma got back at them when Batman & Robin become a flop. :funny::lmao:
The batnipples are now forever engraved in film, to their eternal shame. They may be back on top now, because of Nolan, but nobody will ever let them forget their previous disgrace!
 
It's definitely to be believed as it first appeared in the Official Batman Movie Magazine back in 1989.

I think I lean more towards Batman 89, just because it was the first Batman movie and the one that made me a fan of the character. But I can be persuaded easily towards Returns.


Its also on Tims website
 
"Batman Returns" is the first movie I watched in a theater, as a child I really loved it a lot. Every time I watch that movie now it feels like I'm watching an "Addams Family" movie with Batman like themes, I really enjoy "Addams Family" films, but the combination doesn't work for me at all, more particularly when they zoom on the frozen park. That's the only Batman movie I can't stand to watch

The 1989 movie I watched on a betamax cassette, then on a VHS, now I watch it on a DVD, it still holds great deal of enjoyment to me, nothing pushed it from being my favorite movie so far
 
If Sam Hamm and Bob Kane got involved in Batman Returns, Tim Burton's Penguin would've just been a one-dimensional lame ass long nosed fat Al Capone rip-off Mobster in a tuxedo with trick umbrella's but nothing more deeper and Catwoman would've just been a jewel thief that steals for no goddamn reason, although the thief incarnation can work with the right origins. Sam Hamm's early draft for Returns had the plot of Penguin and Catwoman stealing hidden gold beneath Wayne Manor, had Robin and Bruce Wayne marries Vicki Vale. That would've been horrible, good thing Burton rejected that draft and wanted Hamm completely out of the project plus they got someone witty like Daniel Waters to write the screenplay.

I think Tim Burton's Scarecrow would've been f'ing brilliant and also Arkham Asylum. :awesome: Just f'ck WB for firing Burton because of silly things like McDonalds and ignorant soccer moms but karma got back at them when Batman & Robin become a flop. :funny::lmao:

You're being pretty harsh! Hamm did write the first Batman which you apparently love after all. I do love what Daniel Waters did though. Too bad he's done absolutely nothing even noteworthy since then.
 
You're being pretty harsh! Hamm did write the first Batman which you apparently love after all. I do love what Daniel Waters did though. Too bad he's done absolutely nothing even noteworthy since then.

I don't hate Sam Hamm, I thought his Batman 1989 script was great but I just don't think that he put enough effort into his early rejected screenplay for Batman Returns with the plot and psychological themes. The hidden treasure plots sounds very formulaic like some pirate flick, Catwoman was way too villainous rather than the morally ambiguous anti-heroine she was in the finished film, how can Bruce Wayne discard his real persona and just marry someone normal like Vicky Vale??? Sam Hamm did great with B89 but then he disappoints Tim Burton with this draft.​
 
I don't hate Sam Hamm, I thought his Batman 1989 script was great but I just don't think that he put enough effort into his early rejected screenplay for Batman Returns with the plot and psychological themes. The hidden treasure plots sounds very formulaic like some pirate flick, Catwoman was way too villainous rather than the morally ambiguous anti-heroine she was in the finished film, how can Bruce Wayne discard his real persona and just marry someone normal like Vicky Vale???​

Plus, they had zero chemistry together.
B89 ...

Returns was absolutely ridiculous.
...which is why it kicks so much more ass than '89 :yay:
 
I find it hard to vote... I like things in both films, notably vicki in 89 and catwoman in returns... but I disliked things in both too
 
I don't hate Sam Hamm, I thought his Batman 1989 script was great but I just don't think that he put enough effort into his early rejected screenplay for Batman Returns with the plot and psychological themes. The hidden treasure plots sounds very formulaic like some pirate flick, Catwoman was way too villainous rather than the morally ambiguous anti-heroine she was in the finished film, how can Bruce Wayne discard his real persona and just marry someone normal like Vicky Vale??? Sam Hamm did great with B89 but then he disappoints Tim Burton with this draft.​

Yeah then again Sam Hamm hasn't done anything noteworthy since then either. Not that I ever recall(though he did some cool good comics here and there)

Vale was just flat out bland, Catwoman was exciting and sexy. Overall B'89 just doesn't have good supporting roles. Michael Gough is the only stand out co-player imo. Billy Dee was underutilized, Vale was boring, etc. But in Returns Shreck was brilliant and using multiple villains was a good idea. Of course Hingle/Gordon did very little(in both) but this rendition is based on the earlier comics where Gordon had only a bit role.
 
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I didn't like Returns at all, so it's an easy choice for me.
 
I had to go with Batman Returns because when it came out I was thrilled that we got 2 villains, a far better looking Gotham City, imo, and a much better soundtrack/score. And Penguin was by far my favorite villain at the time. (I hadn't discovered Two-Face yet.)
 
Having watched Batman Returns for the first time in about two years, I can now certainly say Batman is my favorite of the two. Batman Returns is...okay. It's worth a watch every now and then. I've never been a big fan of Nicholson's Joker, but comparing it to Penguin and Catwoman, I've found a new appreciation for the Jacker.

Don't get me wrong, I think Pfeiffer and DeVito did great jobs with their roles, but they don't pop off the screen the same way Nicholson did. Small parts of Batman Returns I find to be dumb, like the remote control batarang and the line, "Eat floor." Overall, Batman Returns is enjoyable, but not as much as the first one.
 
"Eat floor" is the only line in BR that I thought was just flat out bad! All of the other dialogue is either good or blends in and not stand out.

For me, Tim Burton is the single greatest portrayer of on-screen villains. I loved every villain he touched. Schumacher just disgraced the villains, Nolan toned down Ra's and Scarecrow far too much for my liking and Two Face killed far too quickly, but Burton was the only one to consistently pump his villains up with "interesting adrenaline." And as far as the Jokers, I no doubt will say that Heath Ledger gave a brilliant tour de force, thus far he's the only villain Nolan has taken above and beyond. But on the other hand I simply prefer the representation that Jack gave in '89, even if it feels slightly lite these days.
 
When I saw B'89 for the first time in several years I had become a big comics fan and knew Batman's origin well so when B'89 first started I remember being confused why the woman at the beginning was calling her husband "Harold" as they were searching for a taxi. See, I thought B'89 was going to begin with his origin and I was like "This is the Wayne family, so why the heck is she calling him Harold? Isn't he Thomas Wayne?" And then when the johnny gobb thugs rob them I was like "aren't they suppose to kill the parents." It wasn't until Batman showed up that I realized that family in that scene weren't the Waynes. Good times :funny:
 
"Eat floor" is the only line in BR that I thought was just flat out bad! All of the other dialogue is either good or blends in and not stand out.

I liked the "Eat floor" line, I don't think it's bad.

For me, Tim Burton is the single greatest portrayer of on-screen villains. I loved every villain he touched. Schumacher just disgraced the villains, Nolan toned down Ra's and Scarecrow far too much for my liking and Two Face killed far too quickly, but Burton was the only one to consistently pump his villains up with "interesting adrenaline." And as far as the Jokers, I no doubt will say that Heath Ledger gave a brilliant tour de force, thus far he's the only villain Nolan has taken above and beyond. But on the other hand I simply prefer the representation that Jack gave in '89, even if it feels slightly lite these days.

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so when B'89 first started I remember being confused why the woman at the beginning was calling her husband "Harold" as they were searching for a taxi. See, I thought B'89 was going to begin with his origin and I was like "This is the Wayne family, so why the heck is she calling him Harold? Isn't he Thomas Wayne?" And then when the johnny gobb thugs rob them I was like "aren't they suppose to kill the parents." It wasn't until Batman showed up that I realized that family in that scene weren't the Waynes. Good times :funny:

There were definitely deliberate parallels to the Wayne's murder.
 
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When I saw B'89 for the first time in several years I had become a big comics fan and knew Batman's origin well so when B'89 first started I remember being confused why the woman at the beginning was calling her husband "Harold" as they were searching for a taxi. See, I thought B'89 was going to begin with his origin and I was like "This is the Wayne family, so why the heck is she calling him Harold? Isn't he Thomas Wayne?" And then when the johnny gobb thugs rob them I was like "aren't they suppose to kill the parents." It wasn't until Batman showed up that I realized that family in that scene weren't the Waynes. Good times :funny:
Same here. I was thinking, ""Don't they live there? Why does Bruce need a map?"
 
When I saw B'89 for the first time in several years I had become a big comics fan and knew Batman's origin well so when B'89 first started I remember being confused why the woman at the beginning was calling her husband "Harold" as they were searching for a taxi. See, I thought B'89 was going to begin with his origin and I was like "This is the Wayne family, so why the heck is she calling him Harold? Isn't he Thomas Wayne?" And then when the johnny gobb thugs rob them I was like "aren't they suppose to kill the parents." It wasn't until Batman showed up that I realized that family in that scene weren't the Waynes. Good times :funny:

I was confused too as far as I remember. Back in 89 I was just a year into the comics and I didnt remember Bruce's parents' names, so I thought its little Bruce untill they showed Batman on the rooftop hearing the screams. That confused me quite a bit
 
One major flaw in Batman Returns story has a fun outcome, but still, it doesn't excuse that scene
How did the Penguin chronies know the exact design of the Bat-Mobile?
 

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