The Amazing Spider-Man Rhys Ifans Cast as The Lizard

[Scarlettess]

Is Shed actually a good storyline then? I've never read that one. One i have been meaning to pick up though is the Electro and Sandman issue, apparently what I've heard thats one of the best of the Gauntlet series.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

What I'm wondering about is how intelligent the Lizard will seem. Will he be able to hold a conversation and will he have a "plan" so to speak. Or will he be just a mindless drone? IMO I think a happy medium between them both is needed. A talking Lizard that wants to take over the world is extremely hokey but you don't want him turning into just another monster.

It's hokey, but back during Stan Lee's run, it was awesome and is still enjoyable today. Some of the stuff that could be considered hokey (but still awesome) today is Lizard writing a letter to his family like in ASM issue 6 and in ASM Issues 44 and 45 where he commands a bunch of reptiles. HOWEVER, I don't see it working on film. As for talking, I think he will.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Is Shed actually a good storyline then? I've never read that one. One i have been meaning to pick up though is the Electro and Sandman issue, apparently what I've heard thats one of the best of the Gauntlet series.

Electro was taken VERY seriously during The Gauntlet storyline.

 

[The Lizard]

Love that one too. One of my favorite Bagley-drawn stories.

One short, but very cool Lizard story that's sort of off the radar appears in ASM Annual #27, 1993.

The story is titled "The Lizard Must Be Destroyed", and it features Curt Connors being put on trial for the Lizard's crimes and violence. In the end, it's made clear that the Lizard is a separate personality from Curt, so he won't be held responsible, but Curt volunteers to be put in the Vault prison anyway.

 

[Scarlettess]

Electro was taken VERY seriously during The Gauntlet storyline.

Good! He's always been one of my favourite characters, though he sometimes gets written really badly. One story I do like of him is in Marvel Knights, even though it was a team up, the one and one battle they had was so intense.

 

[Boom]

I don't really understand how people are saying that The Lizard looks similar to how he did in his first appearances.

Maybe I'm looking at the pictures wrong, but it looks to me like he has a pretty long snout.

 

[DACrowe]

Seriously.

It was bad enough when Martha Connors randomly died of cancer in a crappy computer-graphics Spidey limited comic series titled "Quality of Life" back in 2002. The character had been around since 1963, and then she just dies in an obscure experimental Spidey comic that not many people even heard of, much less read.

Then suddenly Curt Connors apparently knows Peter's secret identity for no reason during the Jenkins run on Spectacular Spider-Man in 2003. That apparently got reversed by the "Brand New Day" ridiculousness, but whatever.

Then the Lizard gets his ass handed to him in a battle with the Black Cat, of all people, in a storyline by Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa (who admits to Black Cat being his favorite Spidey character) in Sensational SM from 2006-07. Billy also gets injected with the Lizard formula here, although we never hear anything more about that after this storyline ends.

Then this "Shed" storyline takes the last meaningful thing in Curt Connors life, Billy, away from him and makes the Lizard just another ruthless, killing monster.

The 21st century has not been very kind to the comic version Lizard overall. Maybe the movie will change that.

Yeah, the last Lizard story I read was Paul Jenkins's "A Lizard Tale." And it was such a shame as he did IMO the last great stories of both Green Goblin and Doc Ock. He did a very good one of Venom as well. He gave all three a 6-part epic, psychological study. Then when he did Lizard he just dropped the ball entirely. Sounds like that was just a prelude of things to come.

It reminds me of how McFarlane ruined the character--or almost did--with the Torment storyline and the few after him that took the "There is now only the monster, Curt is no more approach." Ugh.

What happened post-OMD/BND sounds unforgivable. But what the ydid to Peter and MJ was also unforgivable and why I quit reading Spidey comics cold. You've convinced me even more I made the right decision. Joey Q has been good for the overall Marvel Universe, but what he did to Spidey has ruined the character. It's why I pretend it ended before Sins Past (where it started to go off the rails) and will gladly take Tom DeFalco's adolescent, but sublimely entertaining Spider-Girl series as the epilogue. It's clear that as a monthly story, the writers have hit a brick wall with the Spidey mythos and are hoping to just regurgitate '70s and '80s stories infinitely. Somehow though, I doubt Conway, Wolfman, Stern, DeFalco, Mantlo or DeMatthis would agree with what they did to Lizard in that story.

 

[DACrowe]

Love that one too. One of my favorite Bagley-drawn stories.

One short, but very cool Lizard story that's sort of off the radar appears in ASM Annual #27, 1993.

The story is titled "The Lizard Must Be Destroyed", and it features Curt Connors being put on trial for the Lizard's crimes and violence. In the end, it's made clear that the Lizard is a separate personality from Curt, so he won't be held responsible, but Curt volunteers to be put in the Vault prison anyway.

Huh. I never read that story, but it does sound interesting. I'll see if I can find it in the near future. I didn't care for that post-Torment time where they were trying to make the Lizard the dominant personality (which is tame compared to what they're doing now). But it led to the aforementioned #365 that we both love--as you can see in my avy.

It was great because the art still had the McFarlane-endorsed gritty, killer monster look, but he had a personality buried under there trying to cure himself....it's just if you got in his way he'd eat you. Also, Billy being a teenager (which they reversed in later issues) and trying to kill his old man so he'll quit tormenting his mother was great, as was Peter and MJ becoming close friends with the Connors--which led to that great Miami story I posted under this one. ONe where Peter and MJ were acting like a real couple and mourning the loss of their daughter. Somehow OMD/BND has made the '90s cluster-crap of Spidey comics look quaint and nostalgic.

 

[venom892]

When I heard they did that I was completely taken aback.How could they have done that?They basically stripped Connors of all his interesting traits.They destroyed the conflict and turmoil of the character.I mean the character is pretty useless now and can no longer be explored further.I quit after BND and haven't looked back.I just buy back issues at cons.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Love that one too. One of my favorite Bagley-drawn stories.

One short, but very cool Lizard story that's sort of off the radar appears in ASM Annual #27, 1993.

The story is titled "The Lizard Must Be Destroyed", and it features Curt Connors being put on trial for the Lizard's crimes and violence. In the end, it's made clear that the Lizard is a separate personality from Curt, so he won't be held responsible, but Curt volunteers to be put in the Vault prison anyway.

Ahh yes, I remember this. I always thought it was a perfect example of how great of a person Dr. Connors is.

 

[JayTee]

I hope the movie has Lizard in a white lab coat and pants of some kind.

To me, if he doesn't he just looks like A Lizard, and not THE Lizard.

 

[Resistance61513]

I don't know, maybe it's because of how early post production is that they are giving us a rough rendition of the character. Usually, when working with computer generated imagery, cloths and fabrics are the last thing to be rendered. They take a TON of time to properly get their functions to work. In the beginning there is always a lot of clipping.

That's why they chose to make the Lizard naked in the MTV series. They couldn't craft a lab coat that wouldn't collision detect with the character model. The coat would sometimes disappear into the body or arm.

I'm wondering if the same can be said here. Who knows, we'll just have to wait and see. So far though, I'm very pleased with what I'm seeing!

 

[CrimeMaster!]

Seriously.

It was bad enough when Martha Connors randomly died of cancer in a crappy computer-graphics Spidey limited comic series titled "Quality of Life" back in 2002. The character had been around since 1963, and then she just dies in an obscure experimental Spidey comic that not many people even heard of, much less read.

Then suddenly Curt Connors apparently knows Peter's secret identity for no reason during the Jenkins run on Spectacular Spider-Man in 2003. That apparently got reversed by the "Brand New Day" ridiculousness, but whatever.

Then the Lizard gets his ass handed to him in a battle with the Black Cat, of all people, in a storyline by Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa (who admits to Black Cat being his favorite Spidey character) in Sensational SM from 2006-07. Billy also gets injected with the Lizard formula here, although we never hear anything more about that after this storyline ends.

Then this "Shed" storyline takes the last meaningful thing in Curt Connors life, Billy, away from him and makes the Lizard just another ruthless, killing monster.

The 21st century has not been very kind to the comic version Lizard overall. Maybe the movie will change that.

Agree 100%

The current direction seems to be more about shock value with The Lizard killing Billy and Phil Urich decapitating Roderick Kingsley to become the new Hobgoblin.

Plus that new Lizard design with the spiked hair is aweful,hope the movie does change that atleast.

 

[©KAW]

I hope the movie has Lizard in a white lab coat and pants of some kind.

To me, if he doesn't he just looks like A Lizard, and not THE Lizard.

From what I've seen you'll see both. The Lizard in early stage of his transformation, scales, tail and lab coat and pants. Then full blown naked Lizard in his final stage.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I hope the movie has Lizard in a white lab coat and pants of some kind.

To me, if he doesn't he just looks like A Lizard, and not THE Lizard.

This.

 

[JayTee]

I don't know, maybe it's because of how early post production is that they are giving us a rough rendition of the character. Usually, when working with computer generated imagery, cloths and fabrics are the last thing to be rendered. They take a TON of time to properly get their functions to work. In the beginning there is always a lot of clipping.

That's why they chose to make the Lizard naked in the MTV series. They couldn't craft a lab coat that wouldn't collision detect with the character model. The coat would sometimes disappear into the body or arm.

I'm wondering if the same can be said here. Who knows, we'll just have to wait and see. So far though, I'm very pleased with what I'm seeing!

I absolutely refuse to believe that here in 2011 we can't have a CGI character with CLOTHES.

 

[Billy the Poet]

Indeed!

Probably my favorite of the classic stories is ASM # 44-45. It was only the Lizard's second appearance, but it has so much memorable stuff in it. Lizard letting himself be seen from a distance in the dark climbing a wall to fake a break-in and frame Spidey. Lizard knocks Spidey off a wall and Spidey sprains his arm badly, requiring a trip to the doctor and a sling. Lizard controls reptiles from a zoo train car to attack Spidey. And of course, Spidey's clever use of a refrigerated train car to slow Lizzy down and render him helpless. Not to mention all the great Pete/Gwen/MJ interaction that happens in those issues, and the great Romita art too.

I really enjoyed reading them. These were some of the few issues I had no problem with reading, considering how much obvious stuff was put in dialogues and thoughts of characters of that time.

 

[Billy the Poet]

So basically they didn't know where to go with the character anymore. What a shame.

To be honest, it all has started with the second half of 1990s. Comics titles that used to be popular 40-50 years ago are in the regressive process of losing the fame.

 

[DACrowe]

Agree 100%

The current direction seems to be more about shock value with The Lizard killing Billy and Phil Urich decapitating Roderick Kingsley to become the new Hobgoblin.

Plus that new Lizard design with the spiked hair is aweful,hope the movie does change that atleast.

Phil Urich did what to Hobby?!?! Okay, so now they've ruined Peter, MJ, Harry, Doc Connors/Lizard, Urich, and Kingsley.

Man, DeFalco's use of both Kingsley and Urich in The Amazing Spider-Girl was great. How can you suck so bad? I'm glad I quit reading those comics.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I really enjoyed reading them. These were some of the few issues I had no problem with reading, considering how much obvious stuff was put in dialogues and thoughts of characters of that time.

Wait, you're not a fan fo the 60's Spidey comics? Lol, that's my favorite era along with the 70's and 80's coming in at a very close second.

 

[venom892]

Phil Urich did what to Hobby?!?! Okay, so now they've ruined Peter, MJ, Harry, Doc Connors/Lizard, Urich, and Kingsley.

Man, DeFalco's use of both Kingsley and Urich in The Amazing Spider-Girl was great. How can you suck so bad? I'm glad I quit reading those comics.

Exact same feeling.Hobby coming back almost bought me back to the book and then I heard about this.

 

[Billy the Poet]

Wait, you're not a fan fo the 60's Spidey comics? Lol, that's my favorite era along with the 70's and 80's coming in at a very close second.

I am. I really dig the 60s, as most of the best stories about Spidey were told during that decade. I do love the early issues. But, I sometimes have a hard time reading dialogues, cause there was too much exhibition of what was already obvious. Nevertheless, the 60s has a great impact on Spider-man and these were some of the most successful years for the character's rise to fame.

 

[the amazing fro]

Agree 100%

The current direction seems to be more about shock value with The Lizard killing Billy and Phil Urich decapitating Roderick Kingsley to become the new Hobgoblin.

Plus that new Lizard design with the spiked hair is aweful,hope the movie does change that atleast.

Man I've really been out of the loop of spider-man comics. I wasn't aware of how much of a train wreck it had become.

 

[Resistance61513]

I absolutely refuse to believe that here in 2011 we can't have a CGI character with CLOTHES.

I wasn't saying that. I was merely saying, it might be TOO early in post production where the animators haven't gotten around to creating the lab coat and pants.

It's a stretch but who knows. We'll see.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Do the clothes really matter THAT much to you guys? Like, is it a make/break type thing?... The only times I've seen The Lizard wear his labcoat and pants is when he didn't turn into this almost Hulk size creature. In the covers posted above, he isn't that much bigger than Spider-Man.

It'd be a little far fetched to have this guy turn into this creature that's like triple his regular size, and still have his labcoat.

We might see some VERY tattered remains, but I'm doubting it. Dya know why?

Because it's not that important.