Superman Returns Richard, dumbest fiance in the world?

[gdw]

Something just hit me after watching the clip of Lois and Richard where he confronts her about whether or not she "Spent the Night with Superman."

Now Lois may be considered one dumb reporter for not picking up on Superman and Clark, but after that scene, it seems that it DOES imply that her relationship with Superman DID get THAT intimate.

So, considering Richard was so quick to notice how Clark resembled Supeman, you'ld think he would have put two and two together and realised that the kid could very likely be Superman's.

Now we don't know if it is or not, but after this scene, finding out that your fiance is all but denying she "Spent the Night with Superman" and he left just over five years ago, and she has a five year old kid, you'ld THINK that one of the first things that comes to his mind is that he is about to be the step daddy to Superman's child.

You would THINK that he would be pretty quick to ask about that. Considering he was willing to bring up her sleeping with superman, you know that this would be bothering him too.

So, is he that dumb that he would not put that together? OR does Richard know who the father is already??? (assuming he is not the kid's father that is.)

On a similar note, I am still kinda hoping that Lois did NOT sleep with Superman, but rather had a one night stand with Clark before HE left. Seeling as how Clark told people he was leaving, but Superman did not. Or at least that's how it sounds.

Any who even if he did not say anything as Clark, I personally think it would make far more sense for him to have slept with Lois as Clark with out telling her he's Superman, then for him to sleep with her as Superman and not tell her he's Clark. This is of course all under the assumption that we are NOT using the FOS fling and the memory wipe kiss.

Any who, back on topic, so is Richard a dumb ass, or does he know who Jason's father really is???

 

[Excel]

hes probably been railing lois so why not assume its his?

 

[WhatsHisFace]

I hope the kid is Richards. I really don't want that dopey little mop-top to be Supermans son.

I like Richard. He seems like a nice guy. He deserves to have the family he wants to have.

Screw Clark, he could find anyone as Superman. Like Super Models.

 

[gdw]

Well I think it is made very clear that at the very least he is Lois' kid, seeing as how Jimmy say's he looks like his mother and takes after her.

Also, I HIGHLY doubt they would have Lois have a child with aotherman who she is actually still involve with, unless they kill him off.

 

[user123456789]

Something just hit me after watching the clip of Lois and Richard where he confronts her about whether or not she "Spent the Night with Superman."

what clip!!??

 

[gdw]

the one on IESB, one of the 11 as mentioned on the front page.

 

[user123456789]

the one on IESB, one of the 11 as mentioned on the front page.

u mean those 11 clips are totally new??

i thought that was just trailers + tv spots..

 

[Kane]

Dude your jumping to conclusions. Just watch it in the context of the film, it may actually make sense...

Lois isnt dumb, Clark (brandon) is just very very good. The only reason Richard picked up on it is he doesnt know Clark as well as Lois, hes an objective outsider...

I know in the film, Lex believes that Jason IS Superman's son when he captures him and Lois.

Richard could very well think the same.....we just havent seen the scene for it yet.

Richard and Lex could both be wrong though,

 

[MoviesKickAss]

 

[Kane]

Cyclops may have been a disapointment, but Richard is awesome in SR.

He seems to have James' natural personality.

 

[블라스]

ROFL!!

 

[PunisherPoster]

Any who, back on topic, so is Richard a dumb ass???

Well...he does seem to know very little about Superman. I'd imagine just about anyone in the world would be privy to the 'facts' Lois reveals to him about Earth's only alien being.

 

[BareKnucklez]

Something just hit me after watching the clip of Lois and Richard where he confronts her about whether or not she "Spent the Night with Superman."

Now Lois may be considered one dumb reporter for not picking up on Superman and Clark, but after that scene, it seems that it DOES imply that her relationship with Superman DID get THAT intimate.

So, considering Richard was so quick to notice how Clark resembled Supeman, you'ld think he would have put two and two together and realised that the kid could very likely be Superman's.

Now we don't know if it is or not, but after this scene, finding out that your fiance is all but denying she "Spent the Night with Superman" and he left just over five years ago, and she has a five year old kid, you'ld THINK that one of the first things that comes to his mind is that he is about to be the step daddy to Superman's child.

You would THINK that he would be pretty quick to ask about that. Considering he was willing to bring up her sleeping with superman, you know that this would be bothering him too.

So, is he that dumb that he would not put that together? OR does Richard know who the father is already??? (assuming he is not the kid's father that is.)

On a similar note, I am still kinda hoping that Lois did NOT sleep with Superman, but rather had a one night stand with Clark before HE left. Seeling as how Clark told people he was leaving, but Superman did not. Or at least that's how it sounds.

Any who even if he did not say anything as Clark, I personally think it would make far more sense for him to have slept with Lois as Clark with out telling her he's Superman, then for him to sleep with her as Superman and not tell her he's Clark. This is of course all under the assumption that we are NOT using the FOS fling and the memory wipe kiss.

Any who, back on topic, so is Richard a dumb ass, or does he know who Jason's father really is???

The only way the whole kid being clarks works is if they tie it into when Clark & Lois slept together in Superman II.
If Clark just slept with her right before he was about to leave for his trip to Krypton then the movie was written by total idiots!
(See MALLRATS why SUPERMAN CANNOT have sex with anyone!)
He could only have only filled lois's tank when he lost his powers...

 

[Kane]

Ya Im still standing by my theory that the kid isnt Clarks. Singer said Richard was the father, then I heard from someone reliable tied to bluetights.com whos tight with Mike that Mike D said Richard was the biological father.

I trust that source... but I'll be superpissed if Singer and Mike were lying to us.

I'm still gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and believe they arent, they havent given me a reason to doubt them before.

 

[BareKnucklez]

Ya Im still standing by my theory that the kid isnt Clarks. Singer said Richard was the father, then I heard from someone reliable tied to bluetights.com whos tight with Mike that Mike D said Richard was the biological father.

I trust that source... but I'll be superpissed if Singer and Mike were lying to us.

I'm still gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and believe they arent, they havent given me a reason to doubt them before.

well who ever has the book has the answer to who the father is... I don't want to read the book until I see the movie because then I know the movie wont stand a chance in living upto the book.
No movie is better then the book afterall... So If someone knows just say it I really don't care... heh

 

[Kane]

Are you talking about the book that came out last month? It doesnt say in the book. It just lets Jason call Richard 'daddy' and stuff and doesnt really specify any further than that.

 

[Junfan]

I have two problems with Richard being the father.

1. Love triangle with kids are stupid, if Richard is the father Lois should not be thinking twice about being with Superman, or vice versa.

2. Taking #1 into consideration, than there is hardly any reason for Lois to be in any sequels, I don't go to the movies to see Lois and her "family", I go to see Superman, and Superman AND Lois together.

I know there are theories he is the father and he's killed off, This could work I guess, but than who comes to comfort Lois, Clark or Superman.

If Supes is the father, he would have to tell Lois that he's Clark, than they live happily ever after , personally this is what i'd like to see.

Everyone has their preference with this storyline, however I feel it's stupid to make the kids Richards based on my two points, i'd rather see a superkid storyline, than Lois and Richard together with a kid, it just makes Lois' place in the movies useless IMHO.

 

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

 

[Farren]

Hmmm, this is a really good point. If he's smart enough to spot Clark looking like Supes, spotting Lois in a fib about her and Supes should be a cakewalk.

Maybe the kid really is his.

I'm with WhatsHisFace:

I hope the kid is Richards. I really don't want that dopey little mop-top to be Supermans son.

I like Richard. He seems like a nice guy. He deserves to have the family he wants to have.

Screw Clark, he could find anyone as Superman. Like Super Models.

I also think making Richard the pop would be more on the original side. I mean, c'mon, we all assume it's gonna be Clark's kid because that's Hollywood convention: it 'justifies' Lois's lingering feelings for Superman, sides with with hero of the flick, etc.

I think it would be much more interesting and challenging to make a film where Lois really has completely broke from her past relationship, and where she still has feelings that are purely her own and not justified by fact that he's the father of her kid.

BTW, does anyone have a link to the Singer info on Richard as the dad?

 

[LuvSupes]

I have two problems with Richard being the father.

1. Love triangle with kids are stupid, if Richard is the father Lois should not be thinking twice about being with Superman, or vice versa.

2. Taking #1 into consideration, than there is hardly any reason for Lois to be in any sequels, I don't go to the movies to see Lois and her "family", I go to see Superman, and Superman AND Lois together.

I know there are theories he is the father and he's killed off, This could work I guess, but than who comes to comfort Lois, Clark or Superman.

If Supes is the father, he would have to tell Lois that he's Clark, than they live happily ever after , personally this is what i'd like to see.

Everyone has their preference with this storyline, however I feel it's stupid to make the kids Richards based on my two points, i'd rather see a superkid storyline, than Lois and Richard together with a kid, it just makes Lois' place in the movies useless IMHO.

Same here, I would rather have the kid be Superman and Lois'. If the kid is Richard's, it just kills the Superman/Lois relationship and you end up moving the focus of the story away from Superman.

 

[Kane]

I'd prefer Richard to be the father. I dont want Superman to get Lois at the end of the film....its too sudden, he just returned.

Heroes rarely (almost never) get the girl in the first film.

I'd want the Lois/Richard relationship to end in the sequel (whether that means he gets killed off heroically or something after they break it off or whatever) and Superman is there for Lois and Jason. Overtime, Superman and Lois grow closer together.

Jason would eventually grow into a teenager to have the same goals to be a reporter/pilot like Richard. Superman would have spent some years being a father figure to Jason (not a biological father) but teaching him the same values that Pa Kent taught him (and Pa Kent wasnt Supes biological father either).

And so it would almost parallel Clark's origins but Jason would be a human.


Singer made a statement once that hes never getting rid of Jason and Jason's purpose is to be a constant reminder to Superman of the consequnce of him leaving.

It wouldnt be much of a reminder if it turned out to be Superman's son. It would have a deeper inpact if it was Richards's son but Superman still loved him all the same.


Eventually I want the entire Superman movie series to end (maybe about 4 or 5 flicks) with Superman and Lois finally being able to have a child of their own (Jason would be a teen by then and would be doing his own thing). I think that would bring closure to the saga.

Its too soon for Superman to get his happy ending of a perfect family he always wanted. It should happen at the very end.

 

[LuvSupes]

The constant reminder is Jason's relationship with Richard. Superman left to see if he was the last kryptonian, he didn't find anyone. If he had stayed, he would have found what he was looking for. That is a much more poignant consequence. And it keeps the theme of the movie tight. It keeps the story focused on Superman.

Also I don't think Superman and Lois get together by the end of the film. Richard is still there and his bond with Jason is very real. There is no riding off into the sunset or kiss between Superman and Lois in this film. What revealing the kid as Superman's son does do, is end the film on a hopeful note. It gives the audience hope that Superman and Lois will end up together in the future. Superman doesn't get his happy ending yet.

If Richard were the father, that would be the end of Superman and Lois. Superman would not be able to be around her. He would have to remove himself so that he didn't jeopardize Lois' family. You create these extra characters and tangent plotlines that move the story away from Superman. It is much better that the kid is Superman's. :up

 

[Junfan]

Excellent posts kane and luvSupes, you both bring up excellent perspectives.

To elaborate on Kane's perspective, it would almost fit perfectly, Superman was adopted, so Clark/Superman to step up to take care of Jason would be fitting, besides he'd do anything for Lois and Jason, whether he was the father or not.

I still want the kid to be Supes, but you've made an excellent argument for it to be Richards.

I don't believe he will get a happy ending in this movie, but I still say keeping Richard around kills the Lois/superman equation which = no use for Lois, ESPEICALLY if the kid isn't Superman's AND Richard is still around, it's got to be one or the other, lose Richard/Jason is Richards kid, or Keep Jason/Superman's kid.

BTW Marsden looks excellent so far, he's actually a damn good actor.

 

[WOOGIE3]

It would be awesome if the kid is indeed Superman's .

Superman will then be emotionally attached to the kid aswell as Lewis . In sequels this could be good . Singer could play on the emotional side of Supermans character . It would sort of like add more drama to the story .
Now Superman has a kid to protect aswell as Lois , that's if the baddies find out Superman is emotionally attached to her aswell .
Villians in sequels can use that against Supes , kind of like why Spider-Man avoids a relationship with Mary Jane .

It would be devastating for Spider-Man if MJ had to die as a result of his enemies finding out that he's emotionally attached to her .
If the kid is indeed Supes and he does grow attached to the kid then we might see an even more dramatic Superman sequel .

 

[Matt]

I feel bad for Richard, it is almost inevitable that he will lose not only Lois, but possibly his son. I felt bad for John Jameson as well, and James Mardsen isn't half as cheesey as the actor who played John is...so, yea, something tells me the audience is going to feel a great swell of pity for Richard