The Dark Knight Rises Riddle Me This: The Riddler Characterization Thread

[protoctista]

Maybe I'm only suggesting him because I think he's the best living actor, but how about Ralph Fiennes?

He's been proven to have a near all-encompassing range, but his stand out roles have shown that he has particular finesse in playing; needy weak and insecure characters, viscious arrogant bastards, intellectual types, obsessive types as well as sick mother-****ers (Schindler's List)

 

[Ace of Knaves]

He is indeed a brilliant actor. I could deffs see him as Riddler. But my No.1 choice is Guy Pearce still.

 

[Eggyman]

So we're all in agreement that I am awesome for making a comparison with The Riddler and The Marovingian amongst other things?

Nice! [/thread]

 

[Melkay]

Maybe I'm only suggesting him because I think he's the best living actor, but how about Ralph Fiennes?

He's been proven to have a near all-encompassing range, but his stand out roles have shown that he has particular finesse in playing; needy weak and insecure characters, viscious arrogant bastards, intellectual types, obsessive types as well as sick mother-****ers (Schindler's List)

Wow, that was a brilliant (and strangely, new to my ears) suggestion. Why didn't we thought of this before? I haven't seen The Duchess yet (is it out) but he was outstanding on Bruges, and yet, his character was so small.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

So we're all in agreement that I am awesome for making a comparison with The Riddler and The Marovingian amongst other things?

Nice! [/thread]

Yes, yes you are!

 

[I Am The Knight]

The Avengers manip coming in 3,2,1....

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Where, where is this Avengers manip?!?!

 

[I Am The Knight]

Well, here's a pic for the manipulators...

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Ohhh I thought you meant a manip of The Avengers as in Marvels Avengers! Silly me.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Hahah. Bet everyone had forgotten about this little "classic" eh?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

LOL That I did. Wasn't Uma Thurman and Sean Connery in it aswell?

 

[I Am The Knight]

Yup. So you had Ivy, Bond and a potential Riddler.

 

[ThePoisonPuppet]

I love Fiennes. I think he'd have to use an American accent though. (I have not heard him do one yet) And hopefully he wouldn't be too busy filming the final Harry Potters. (Since they are splitting the last book)

 

[RedHood55]

Honestly it's hard to think of a way to insert the Riddler in Batman. Ras al Gu, Scarecrow and Joker all shared characteristics of massive threats not just to Batman but to Gotham city. What can the Riddler do? He basically wants to find out who Batman is, but there has to be a reason for it and what the outcome would be if he did. It sounds too much like the Joker to me, im not trying to single out the Riddler but its just hard for me to picture an estranged man in a Blue suit posing a threat to Batman with his Riddles on a realistic basis of course.

 

[Eggyman]

Honestly it's hard to think of a way to insert the Riddler in Batman. Ras al Gu, Scarecrow and Joker all shared characteristics of massive threats not just to Batman but to Gotham city. What can the Riddler do? He basically wants to find out who Batman is, but there has to be a reason for it and what the outcome would be if he did. It sounds too much like the Joker to me, im not trying to single out the Riddler but its just hard for me to picture an estranged man in a Blue suit posing a threat to Batman with his Riddles on a realistic basis of course.

He can fit. And he wears a green suit.

 

[The Guard]

Semantics traps? Fair play? Kay.

I apologize, Melkay, but it seems you have wasted your time replying to me in this thread. I will not debate at length with people who can't keep themselves from making snide, sarcastic and rude comments when they debate, and who cannot stick the points made without inventing much broader debates, simply so they can be right in some capacity, regardless of whether I disagreed with their points to begin with or not. You whine about my use of semantics, but nearly every point I make, regardless of the logic, you respond with some semantic attempt to discredit what I have just said: Ex: "But not ALL of this group is this or that", despite the fact that I've not implied such", as if you have to prove every single thing I say wrong, simply so one or two of your points can be validated. I don't understand that style of debate. I don't enjoy it. So I won't engage in it.

Near as I can tell, and as I believe you have said in the past, English doesn’t appear to be your first language (although I feel you speak and write it wonderfully), so I would think semantics and clarifying concepts is a good thing in our debate. But if you cannot listen to my points without going "But not ALL of" or "Not in EVERY case", then we cannot have a fruitful debate, as I have not said "all" or "in every case", and we end up going off onto irrelevant tangents.

 

[Melkay]

^ Fair enough, I don't think I can debate with you either. I gotta say I feel relieved now.

 

[protoctista]

It shocks me that Melkay's first language is not English. Wow. You did a hell of a job convincing me otherwise. I wonder how fluent you are in your primary language, God help the poor sods who contest you in it.

 

[gwynplaine]

Maybe I'm only suggesting him because I think he's the best living actor, but how about Ralph Fiennes?

He's been proven to have a near all-encompassing range, but his stand out roles have shown that he has particular finesse in playing; needy weak and insecure characters, viscious arrogant bastards, intellectual types, obsessive types as well as sick mother-****ers (Schindler's List)

He'd be great but he sure was an awful John Steed. I like him better as a villain than as a hero but hasn't he done a lot of bad guys already (Dollarhyde, amon Goethe, voldemort etc...) ?
I liked that Heath had never played a real villain before.
But good choice anyway because Ralph Finesse (pun intended) is a fantastic actor imo and I certainly wouldn't mind seeing him as the riddler. (Loved him in "In Bruges" as well, another bad guy).

 

[protoctista]

For Ralph Fiennes playing non-bad guys watch 'Constant Gardener', 'English Patient' (he's passionate, not malicious guys, play fair) 'The End of the Affair', 'The White Countess', and, when it comes out (from the looks of the trailer) 'The Reader'.

Granted he has a malicious looking face - which is why it's so heart breaking when he shows vulnerability.


Too many villains?
He isn't actually very well known as Dolarhyde in my opinion... but I might be wrong. 'Schindler's List' is a long time ago, and he is practically unrecognisable (AND in full pantomime form) as Voldemort.
So I don't think he's too typecast to play a very different breed of intellectual villain, especially if he brings in some of his more symapthetic character qualities shown in the films I've listed.

 

[gwynplaine]

For Ralph Fiennes playing non-bad guys watch 'Constant Gardener', 'English Patient' (he's passionate, not malicious guys, play fair) 'The End of the Affair', 'The White Countess', and, when it comes out (from the looks of the trailer) 'The Reader'.

Granted he has a malicious looking face - which is why it's so heart breaking when he shows vulnerability.


Too many villains?
He isn't actually very well known as Dolarhyde in my opinion... but I might be wrong. 'Schindler's List' is a long time ago, and he is practically unrecognisable (AND in full pantomime form) as Voldemort.
So I don't think he's too typecast to play a very different breed of intellectual villain, especially if he brings in some of his more symapthetic character qualities shown in the films I've listed.

I don't do chick flickst:, but anyway I said it was a very good choice, probably one of the best I've heard so far.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

My choice will always be Guy Pearce.

I made this, btw. First real manip ever.t:

 

[Cancer4TheCure]

My choice will always be Guy Pearce.

I made this, btw. First real manip ever.t:

Pretty great first effort. I like the idea of Pearce, and God knows I love Memento.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

Pretty great first effort. I like the idea of Pearce, and God knows I love Memento.

Thanks.

 

[Melkay]

It shocks me that Melkay's first language is not English. Wow. You did a hell of a job convincing me otherwise. I wonder how fluent you are in your primary language, God help the poor sods who contest you in it.

Actually, I was born in Cuba... in a cuban family. My main language is spanish. If my many typos and grammar mistakes haven't made it explicit, look at all the awfully huge amounts of complicated, fancy words I use. Limited resources . But thanks anyway, it leaves me with hope of improving myself, since you're one of the few that have a great use of vocabulary. Very eloquent indeed. I'm still used to think it's a generalized thing among british people .